Manosphere Marijan Šiklić (ThatIncelBlogger) 2: The Revenge

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By "disastrous consequences" I'm guessing you meant
You're guessing wrong.

Anyway, whether you eventually find and understand the right reason or not, my point still stands - you are recommending dangerous, dangerous things to young men. Things that last applied in 1955. The last thing modern Western women want is to be treated like human beings worthy or respect, empathy or any consideration.

They aren't rebelling because incel
haha. c'mon, dickory. You will either address my actual points or be ignored by me.

It doesn't matter who knows the term. My point is that today's rebellion would be to have relations with a decent man.


So, try writing a better homework, girl.

@Holden I'd like to see these scientific studies that...
Macie, I'm sorry, this is probably the craziest thing you ever said. I won't even bother trying to explain what's wrong with what you're claiming here. If you can't see it I am honestly shocked, even by you. Hint - it has to do with the a.fact that you can't see somebody being incel on an MRI or that we don't claim it is an illness b. people in those studies fucking put incel in THE TITLES OF THESE

I am in deep, deep shock.

Yeah, something else I am understanding about those like Macie or supdup.

I could call them "obsolete female worship fetishists".

For example, macie claims that she'd rather let her potential son be incel than rape. Well, guess what Macie? Even if you disregard the fact that this might likely get him in prison he'll inflict more pain to women by just being incel and not raping, since he will annoy them to no end. Hence I say "obsolete female worship fetishists".

You worked to make the kind of world whose elements you still want to cling to gone. So accept that all of the elements are gone. You can't keep those you fancy.

You want buffalos, but do you want the 1600 AD North America along with it?

I was generally saying that some people are more likely to overexaggerate certain things so people fear them more.
Ok, so do you believe I am exaggerating? Also, you haven't told me what you mean by meek and compared to whom.
 
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It doesn't matter who knows the term. My point is that today's rebellion would be to have relations with a decent man.
Uhm... I did address the points with as much thought as you put into yours. You must've skimmed again and missed it...

Anyway, if you want me to do homework, what would you suggest? I'm sort of losing interest. :heart-empty:
 
Macie, I'm sorry, this is probably the craziest thing you ever said. I won't even bother trying to explain what's wrong with what you're claiming here. If you can't see it I am honestly shocked, even by you. Hint - it has to do with the a.fact that you can't see somebody being incel on an MRI or that we don't claim it is an illness b. people in those studies fucking put incel in THE TITLES OF THESE

I am in deep, deep shock.
Just give us the studies, Holden. Jesus.

I never fucking said incel was a sickness... do you know how to read? I never even mentioned MRI.

I just googled "Incel" and "Study" the only thing that came up was an Incel Quiz from someone on Loveshy forum posting to OKCUPID. The only other thing was from the site "Jezabel" and that doesn't count as an actual scientific study.

As I said, no real scientist or researcher is going to put a redundant and useless word like "incel" in their study. Especially if it's gonna get peer reviewed like a scientific article is going to be. It'd be like a study about mom's who have 'accidental' pregnancies... they wouldn't title it: "InvolMoms". They'd probably call it "Unplanned Motherhood" or something. In "Incel" case; it'd be a study similarly titled to "Men Who Haven't Had Sex Or Relationship In 6 Months Or More". And that wouldn't even be a fucking study because it's literally not worth it. I could go out, right now, poll 10,000 men in my area and find out that at least 60% of them haven't had sex in 6 months. I would bet a million dollars on that fact. Want to know why? Because 6 months is a stupid as fuck time limit.

You aren't not going to find a steady girlfriend in six months, especially if it's right after a break up. It's just not going to happen.

The ONLY study that science would find worthy within the incel world is the mindset. They'd probably study why some men feel that they deserve or are entitled to a relationship every 6 months; and that if they don't get it, they stamp an Incel sticker on their forehead and throw verbal shit on a screen.

As it is, I already know that the only answer I'll get out of you is:
1) you're so fucking stupid macie
2) too dumb to reply too
3) nothing about the studies I requested
4) bitch about incel and 6 months and entitlement

Yeah, something else I am understanding about those like Macie or supdup.

I could call them "obsolete female worship fetishists".

For example, macie claims that she'd rather let her potential son be incel than rape. Well, guess what Macie? Even if you disregard the fact that this might likely get him in prison he'll inflict more pain to women by just being incel and not raping, since he will annoy them to no end. Hence I say "obsolete female worship fetishists".

You worked to make the kind of world whose elements you still want to cling to gone. So accept that all of the elements are gone. You can't keep those you fancy.

You want buffalos, but do you want the 1600 AD North America along with it?

I never used the word incel.

My actual words were: I'd rather teach my son to be happy by himself then teach him rape is right (this would insure that he would find a wife, as no wife wants a man whose happiness is solely dependent on her and her actions). I'd teach him how to not be annoying and how to be kind and considerate of others.

Umm.... Ok? I want buffalos...I can literally drive about 2 miles out of my town and go get one (actually it's a Bison, but same thing...kinda)... I could pet it or eat it. Why do I need the 1600 North America?
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Oh my fucking god... Holden... Do you think Buffalos don't exist anymore?
 
Just give us the studies, Holden. Jesus.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3813706


As I said, no real scientist or researcher is going to put a redundant and useless word like "incel" in their study. Especially if it's gonna get peer reviewed like a scientific article is going to be. It'd be like a study about mom's who have 'accidental' pregnancies... they wouldn't title it: "InvolMoms". They'd probably call it "Unplanned Motherhood" or something. In "Incel" case; it'd be a study similarly titled to "Men Who Haven't Had Sex Or Relationship In 6 Months Or More".
Like I said to other people here, you have no idea how words are formed in any language. They're not formed on the basis of what you or me find sensible or applicable. Your comparison with mothers is stupid because the word never took in a way incel did... Hell, nobody even thought of it. It's stupid.


You aren't not going to find a steady girlfriend in six months, especially if it's right after a break up. It's just not going to happen.
Yeah, here we go. Let's pretend I believe in relationships in the West. Nobody ever finds a new relationship in 6 months after the break-up. Never. Ever. And it's always despite them wanting to. You dumb cunt !

They'd probably study why some men feel that they deserve or are entitled to a relationship every 6 months; and that if they don't get it, they stamp an Incel sticker on their forehead and throw verbal shit on a screen.
None of this has to do with incel, there's no such thing as an incel mindset. There are liberal incels on this forum attacking sane incels, defending the same things that will forever keep them incel, attacking rape despite women hating them for not raping. How does that fit into that "mindset"?

1) you're so fucking stupid macie
2) too dumb to reply too
1 - ABSOLUTELY !
2- Sadly, I did. Though nothing will get to you.

My actual words were: I'd rather teach my son to be happy by himself
Remember that proverb I told you about? That involves feeding a cow? Would you mind sharing it here, please?

this would insure that he would find a wife
No, just like it wouldn't insure he'd find a unicorn.

this would insure that he would find a wife, as no wife wants a man whose happiness is solely dependent on her and her actions
There are incels (deranged ones, but that's an attractive feature today) who are quite happy on their own. Yet nobody is attracted to them. You are selling toxic lies a smart fifth grader would laugh at.

I'd teach him how to not be annoying and how to be kind and considerate of others.
This would make him hated.

Umm.... Ok? I want buffalos...I can literally drive about 2 miles out of my town and go get one (actually it's a Bison, but same thing...kinda)... I could pet it or eat it. Why do I need the 1600 North America?
Again, you're taking my comparison too literally.

So I'll make it as non-abstract as I can - you want women to be respected but for them to be monsters who nobody sane would respect and who hate those who respect them. Is this more clear?
 
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3813706



Like I said to other people here, you have no idea how words are formed in any language. They're not formed on the basis of what you or me find sensible or applicable. Your comparison with mothers is stupid because the word never took in a way incel did... Hell, nobody even thought of it. It's stupid.



Yeah, here we go. Let's pretend I believe in relationships in the West. Nobody ever finds a new relationship in 6 months after the break-up. Never. Ever. And it's always despite them wanting to. You dumb cunt !


None of this has to do with incel, there's no such thing as an incel mindset. There are liberal incels on this forum attacking sane incels, defending the same things that will forever keep them incel, attacking rape despite women hating them for not raping. How does that fit into that "mindset"?


1 - ABSOLUTELY !
2- Sadly, I did. Though nothing will get to you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG

This isn't even a STUDY. It's a fucking poll analysis. HAHAHAHA OMG. Written for like 10 pages in a book, by students for a group project.
They polled 82 men from the internet. These weren't even LIVE polls.
"Abstract
Using a life course perspective, we explored the development and maintenance of involuntary celibacy for 82 respondents recruited over the I'nternet. Data were collected using an open‐ended electronic questionnaire. Modified grounded theory analysis yielded three groups of involuntary celibates, persons desiring to have sex but unable to find partners. Virgins were those who had never had sex, singles had sex in the past but were unable to establish current sexual relationships, and part‐nereds were currently in sexless relationships. These groups differed on dating experiences, the circumstances surrounding their celibacy, barriers to sexual activity, and the perceived likelihood of becoming sexually active. They were similar, however, in their negative reactions to celibacy. Pervasive in our respondents’ accounts was the theme of becoming and remaining off time in making normative sexual transitions, which in turn perpetuated a celibate life course or trajectory."

I can't stop laughing... my sides hurt.

For those that want a good laugh here's the text, for free, so you don't have to pay some $50 the site Holden listed wants

Celibacy

Donnelly, Denise, Burgess, Elisabeth, Anderson, Sally, Davis, Regina, and Dillard, Joy. (2001).Involuntary Celibacy: A life course analysis. The Journal of Sex Research, 38 (2), 159-169.

Intro: In an era when sex is used to sell everything from toothpaste to transmissions, the idea that large minorities of adults might have little or no sexual contact with others seems odd to many people. However, one study found that 16% of married couples had not engaged in sexual intercourse in the month prior to a national US survey in 1993. Another study found that 14% of men and 10% of women in the US had not had and sexual behavior involving genital contact in the past year (1994 study).

Much of the research focused on celibacy tends to focus on persons who are celibate by choice (for cultural or religious reasons), or those who fear HIV, STIs or pregnancy. Most research has not distinguished between voluntary and involuntary celibacy, and in studies of celibate married people, have found that unhappiness with the marriage, plans or desires to leave the relationship, lack of shared activity, increasing age, the presence of preschoolers, and poor health predicted lack of sexual activity in a marriage. Other factors include pregnancy, recent child-birth or acute illness or injury, as well as chronic illness or disability that hinder sexual activity.

Certainly some people are celibate because they have chosen the lifestyle due to religious or personal reasons. Other, however, would like to have sex, but lack a willing partner, and so celibacy is not a choice. The authors of this paper call this involuntary celibacy, and say that this a relatively new area of inquiry within the field of sex research and almost no studies have dealt with the dimensions, etiology or consequences of this phenomenon.

They define an involuntary celibate as one who desires to have sex, but has been unable to find a willing partner for at least 6 months prior to being surveyed. They chose 6 months since they recognize the reality that people often go without sex for weeks or months, but after a certain length of time begin to worry. They realize that the 6 months cut off is arbitrary, and say that the reality is, for this project, the important thing is whether or not the person defines themselves as an involuntary celibate. They included married and partnered couples whose partners no longer desire sex with them, un-partnered singles who have had sexual relationships in the past but who are unable to find a partner currently, and they include heterosexuals, bisexuals, homosexuals and transsexuals in their sample.

They also used what they call a life-course perspective to understand the process by which persons become and remain involuntarily celibate. This perspective emphasizes how age-based transitions are socially created, socially recognized and shared and acknowledges that change over time can occur on multiple dimensions. This kind of perspective emphasizes transitions and trajectories. Transitions are brief events that mark chronological movement from one state to another. First sexual intercourse and commitment to a monogamous relationship are examples of transitions. Trajectories are more complex measures, which measure the long-term processes and broader patterns of events in an individual's experience in specific life spheres over time. Sexual histories and marital relationships are examples of trajectories.

Cultural expectations suggest that certain events and patterns are normative for different age groups, and these expectations exist in all societies. These expectations can be examined using four dimensions 1) timing, or when transitions occur; 2) sequencing, or the order in which transitions occur; 3) duration, or how long life events last; and 4) prevalence, or how many persons experience these transitions.

Most countries have normative expectations about sexual transitions, and assume that people will begin to date in their teens or early 20s, experiment with and initiate sex at some point thereafter, and eventually marry or partner in a long-term relationship which includes an active sex life. For the majority of people in Western societies, dating, sexual experimentation and mating take place sequentially, in a somewhat linear fashion. Although the timing and duration of these transitions may vary, the majority of adults are assumed to have completed these life events, at least once, by the mid to late 20s. People are expected to remain sexually active for major portions of their adult lives. Expectations for regular adult sexual activity are reinforced by a variety of social agents, including family, peers and the media.

People judge themselves by these normative expectations to measure their own progress and determine if they are 'on time' or 'off time'. In contemporary Western society, the timing of some life transitions has become less important as people marry, divorce, remarry, and have children at increasingly diverse intervals.

In contrast, in other areas, such as sexual activity, cultural expectations seem to be more rigid and being 'off time' has greater consequences. With the exception of those who chose celibacy, those adults who have never had sex or who go for long periods of time without sex may begin to feel 'off time' in regards to sexuality. Once the person begins to feel different from others, it may become more difficult to interact and establish intimacy and chances for sexual intimacy may be reduced. This may be particularly true when the person wants a sexual relationship and feels that everyone else his or her age is more experienced at and knowledgeable about sexual matters.

The same is probably true for partnered involuntary celibates. They are expected to have sex with their partners, except when the partner is ill, disabled or late in pregnancy. They may begin to feel 'off time' and experience themselves as different from other partnered persons. The longer the relationship goes without sex, the harder it may be to reestablish this component. The norm may become sexual inactivity.

They propose that involuntary celibacy is more than one event, but is a combination of the timing, sequencing and duration of sexual behavior. A life course perspective suggests that people who become 'off time' in regards to life transitions involving sexuality begin to feel as if they are no longer traveling on the same path as their peers, and once this happens, it may be difficult to conform to the normative sexual trajectories that their peers are following.

They focused on 4 research questions in their paper:

  1. What social factors inhibit transitions to sexual activity for involuntary celibates?
  2. At what point do the sexual trajectories of involuntary celibates become 'off time'?
  3. What is the process by which involuntary celibates become 'off time' in regards to sexuality?
  4. What factors keep involuntary celibates 'off time' and inhibit the establishment and maintenance of sexual relationships?


Methods:

A member of an on-line discussion group for involuntary celibates approached the first author of the paper via email to ask about research on involuntary celibacy. It soon became apparent that little had been done, and so the discussion group volunteered to be interviewed and a research team was put together. An initial questionnaire was mailed to 35 group members, and they got a return rate of 85%. They later posted it to a web page so that other potential respondents had access to it. Eventually 60 men and 22 women took the survey.

Table 1 shows their characteristics.

Most were between the ages of 25-34, 28% were married or living with a partner, 89% had attended or completed college. Professionals (45%) and students (16%) were the two largest groups. 85% of the sample was white, 89% were heterosexual. 70% lived in the U.S. and the rest primarily in Western Europe, Canada and Australia. They didn't find any national differences between US respondents and others, with the exception that those growing up in Western Europe were more likely to have received sexual education as children both from parents and other sources.

This is a non-random sample, thus they do not suggest generalizing their results to other groups, but they state that the value of this research lies in the rich descriptive data obtained about the lives of involuntary celibates, a group about which little is known.

The questionnaire contained 13 categorical, close-ended questions assessing demographic data such as age, sex, marital status, living arrangement, income, education, employment type, area of residence, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, religious preference, political views, and time spent on the computer. 58 open-ended questions investigated such areas as past sexual experiences, current relationships, initiating relationships, sexuality and celibacy, nonsexual relationships and the consequences of celibacy. They started out by asking about childhood experiences, progressed to questions about teen and early adult years and finished with questions about current status and the effects of celibacy.

Celibacy Status:

Their respondents fell into 3 categories, virgins (those with no sexual experience), single celibates (not currently partnered but who did have past sexual experience) and partnered celibates (those in partnerships and had past sexual experience).

Virginal celibates tended to be younger than the other two groups, and to have never or rarely dated. 76% of the virgins were male, 24% female.

Teenage Experiences with Dating and Sex:

While varying somewhat by gender and religion, by the time they reach adulthood, most U.S. adolescents have masturbated, dated and experimented with sex with partners. 78% of this sample had discussed sex with friends, 84% had masturbated as teens. The virgins and singles, however, differed from national averages in their dating and sexual experiences.

91% of virgins and 52d% of singles had never dated as teenagers. Males reported hesitancy in initiating dates, and females reporting a lack of invitations by males. For those who did date, their experiences tended to be very limited. Only 29% of virgins reported first sexual experiences that involved other people, and they frequently reported no sexual activity at all except for masturbation. Singles were more likely than virgins to have had an initial sexual experience that involved other people (76%), but they tended to report that they were dissatisfied with the experience.

78% of partnered respondents recounted initial activities involving other people (kissing, petting, oral sex, intercourse).

Summary: While most of the sample had discussed sex with friends and masturbated as teens, most virgins and singles did not date. Singles were similar to partnered persons in terms of first sexual experiences, while the majority of virgins reported first sexual experiences that did not include another person. Virgins and singles may have missed important transitions, and as they got older, their trajectories began to differ from those of their age peers. Patterns of sexuality in young adulthood are significantly related to dating, steady dating and sexual experience in adolescence. It is rare for a teenager to initiate sexual activity outside of a dating relationship. While virginity and lack of experience are fairly common in teenagers and young adults, by the time these respondents reached their mid-twenties, they reported feeling left behind by age peers. The authors suspect this is particularly true for gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans adolescents, and in their sample, all 8 people in that group were either virgins or singles. As previous research has shown, a major reason for becoming 'off time' in making sexual transitions is the process of coming out to oneself and others. Even for the heterosexuals in the study, it appears that lack of dating and sexual experimentation in the teen years may be precursors to problems in adult sexual relationships.

Becoming Celibate:

Many of the virgins reported that becoming celibate involved a lack of sexual and interpersonal experience at several different transition points in adolescence and young adulthood. They never or rarely dated, had little experience with interpersonal sexual activity, and had never had sexual intercourse. Singles were more likely to have dated and experimented sexually, but had difficulty in finding and maintaining relationships and tended to go for long periods of time between sexual partners. 20% of single men reported that their only sexual encounters were with paid sex workers (no single women reported this kind of activity).

In contrast, partnered celibates generally became sexually inactive by a very different process. All had initially been sexually active with their partners, but at some point stopped. At the time of the survey, sexual intimacy no longer or very rarely occurred in their relationships. The majority of them (70%) started out having satisfactory relationships, but they slowly stopped having sex as time went on.

13% reported that one partner had been sexually reluctant from the beginning of the relationship. See comments.

17% of the respondents reported one partner making a conscious decision to suspend sexual activity. This often occurred in the context of pregnancy or childbirth. When a partner decides to stop having sex, often there is little that the other can do about the situation. There were no male-female differences among partnered persons, all were not having sex and all were unhappy about it.

Thus the trajectories by which each group of celibates arrived at their present condition varied greatly, with virgins becoming 'off time' in their teens and early twenties, and never experiencing the transition to sexual activity. Single celibates showed some signs of difficulty as adolescents, but appeared to have been at least somewhat similar to their age peers in establishing sexual relationships. Similar to partnered celibates, they got 'off time' as adults. Partnered celibates were unique, however, in that they were currently in relationships that had, over time, become nonsexual.

Barriers to Sexual Relationships:

Once respondents felt 'off time' in their sexual trajectories, they suspected that several factors kept them from having sexual relationships.

  1. They found that shyness was a barrier to developing and maintaining relationships for many of the respondents. Virgins (94%) and singles (84%) were more likely to report shyness than were partnered respondents (20%). The men (89%) were more likely to report being shy than women (77%). 41% of virgins and 23% of singles reported an inability to relate to others socially. See comments, first column.
  2. Another barrier is body image. Researchers suspect there is an indirect link between body image and sexual experience, with those with body image problems avoiding social situations and by doing so, they miss out on sexual opportunities. The authors of this study found that 1/3 of the respondents thought their weight, appearance, or physical characteristics were obstacles to attracting potential partners. 47% of virgins and 56% of singles mentioned these factors, compared to only 9% of partnered people.

    Women were more likely to mention being overweight as a problem, while men were more likely to mention being underweight.
  3. Living arrangements, work arrangements and lack of transportation all probably contributed to the self-perpetuating nature of celibacy. 20% of virgins and 28% of singles report these barriers. See comments, second column, middle. Virginal and single men were more likely to be in sex-segregated occupations than women and to see this as a barrier. For partnered celibates, children (50%), commitment to marriage (32%) and finances (27%) were the biggest barriers to leaving a current relationship. Even though 82% had thought about leaving, 86% reported no plans to do so. Most of the people reported that they were reluctant to establish a extramarital relationship because of moral beliefs, concerns about their family or lack of opportunity.


The Consequences of Celibacy:

35% of celibates were dissatisfied, frustrated or angry about their lack of sexual relationships, and this was true regardless of partnership status.

Many felt that their sexual development had somehow stalled in an earlier stage of life; feeling different from their peers and feeling like they will never catch up.

For partnered people, the issues were different. They also felt different than their peers, and frustrated by their partner's lack of interest. When they tried to initiate sex, they were often met with rejection. These rejections are often cause problems in other areas of their lives. See comment.

All respondents perceived their lack of sexual activity in a negative light and in all likelihood, the relationship between involuntary celibacy and unhappiness, anger and depression is reciprocal, with involuntary celibacy contributing to negative feelings, but these negative feelings also causing people to feel less self-confident and less open to sexual opportunities when they occur. The longer the duration of the celibacy, the more likely our respondents were to view it as a permanent way of life. Virginal celibates tended to see their condition as temporary for the most part, but the older they were, the more likely they were to see it as permanent, and the same was true for single celibates. Partnered celibates saw their situations as unlikely to change.

Conclusion:

As a group, all involuntary celibates appear to have difficulty with the timing and maintenance of culturally sanctioned age-based norms of sexuality. Also, most celibates appear to feel despair, depression, frustration and a loss of confidence. This negatively affected the ways in which they viewed themselves, and they seemed less likely to take steps to initiate sexual activity. The longer the duration of the celibacy, the more they despaired of ever having a normal sexual relationship.

Cultural expectations about masculinity and femininity affected the respondents. Men were more likely to have graduate or professional degrees than the females, to work in sex-segregated jobs and to spend more time on the computer. Women were more likely to report that their bodys were a barrier to sex and to feel constrained by gender role norms that influenced them to act in traditional ways. Men reported that they felt trapped by expectations that they should take the initiative in relationships, while women felt they should not initiate dates or sexual activity.

Less than 25% of this sample reported that they filled sexual needs by viewing pornography, engaging in sexually explicit cyber chatting or having cyber sex. They appeared to use the internet more to find moral support than for sexual stimulation. For most, the internet provided them with a community and filled emotional needs. Just as they were hesitant to begin sexual relationships in real life, this sample was hesitant to establish sexual connections on-line as well.

This, to me, seems like the most sarcastic article ever. It reads like someone wrote some huge dramatic dissertation about why kids like to use crayons instead of pencils. This was literally a class project put into a journal.... and not even a peer reviewed article.
You got any other studies @Holden ? Preferably ACTUAL studies... and not just an analysis of some polls from some guys on the internet?
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG

This isn't even a STUDY. It's a fucking poll analysis. HAHAHAHA OMG. Written for like 10 pages in a book, by students for a group project.
They polled 82 men from the internet. These weren't even LIVE polls.


I can't stop laughing... my sides hurt.

For those that want a good laugh here's the text, for free, so you don't have to pay some $50 the site Holden listed wants

Celibacy

Donnelly, Denise, Burgess, Elisabeth, Anderson, Sally, Davis, Regina, and Dillard, Joy. (2001).Involuntary Celibacy: A life course analysis. The Journal of Sex Research, 38 (2), 159-169.

Intro: In an era when sex is used to sell everything from toothpaste to transmissions, the idea that large minorities of adults might have little or no sexual contact with others seems odd to many people. However, one study found that 16% of married couples had not engaged in sexual intercourse in the month prior to a national US survey in 1993. Another study found that 14% of men and 10% of women in the US had not had and sexual behavior involving genital contact in the past year (1994 study).

Much of the research focused on celibacy tends to focus on persons who are celibate by choice (for cultural or religious reasons), or those who fear HIV, STIs or pregnancy. Most research has not distinguished between voluntary and involuntary celibacy, and in studies of celibate married people, have found that unhappiness with the marriage, plans or desires to leave the relationship, lack of shared activity, increasing age, the presence of preschoolers, and poor health predicted lack of sexual activity in a marriage. Other factors include pregnancy, recent child-birth or acute illness or injury, as well as chronic illness or disability that hinder sexual activity.

Certainly some people are celibate because they have chosen the lifestyle due to religious or personal reasons. Other, however, would like to have sex, but lack a willing partner, and so celibacy is not a choice. The authors of this paper call this involuntary celibacy, and say that this a relatively new area of inquiry within the field of sex research and almost no studies have dealt with the dimensions, etiology or consequences of this phenomenon.

They define an involuntary celibate as one who desires to have sex, but has been unable to find a willing partner for at least 6 months prior to being surveyed. They chose 6 months since they recognize the reality that people often go without sex for weeks or months, but after a certain length of time begin to worry. They realize that the 6 months cut off is arbitrary, and say that the reality is, for this project, the important thing is whether or not the person defines themselves as an involuntary celibate. They included married and partnered couples whose partners no longer desire sex with them, un-partnered singles who have had sexual relationships in the past but who are unable to find a partner currently, and they include heterosexuals, bisexuals, homosexuals and transsexuals in their sample.

They also used what they call a life-course perspective to understand the process by which persons become and remain involuntarily celibate. This perspective emphasizes how age-based transitions are socially created, socially recognized and shared and acknowledges that change over time can occur on multiple dimensions. This kind of perspective emphasizes transitions and trajectories. Transitions are brief events that mark chronological movement from one state to another. First sexual intercourse and commitment to a monogamous relationship are examples of transitions. Trajectories are more complex measures, which measure the long-term processes and broader patterns of events in an individual's experience in specific life spheres over time. Sexual histories and marital relationships are examples of trajectories.

Cultural expectations suggest that certain events and patterns are normative for different age groups, and these expectations exist in all societies. These expectations can be examined using four dimensions 1) timing, or when transitions occur; 2) sequencing, or the order in which transitions occur; 3) duration, or how long life events last; and 4) prevalence, or how many persons experience these transitions.

Most countries have normative expectations about sexual transitions, and assume that people will begin to date in their teens or early 20s, experiment with and initiate sex at some point thereafter, and eventually marry or partner in a long-term relationship which includes an active sex life. For the majority of people in Western societies, dating, sexual experimentation and mating take place sequentially, in a somewhat linear fashion. Although the timing and duration of these transitions may vary, the majority of adults are assumed to have completed these life events, at least once, by the mid to late 20s. People are expected to remain sexually active for major portions of their adult lives. Expectations for regular adult sexual activity are reinforced by a variety of social agents, including family, peers and the media.

People judge themselves by these normative expectations to measure their own progress and determine if they are 'on time' or 'off time'. In contemporary Western society, the timing of some life transitions has become less important as people marry, divorce, remarry, and have children at increasingly diverse intervals.

In contrast, in other areas, such as sexual activity, cultural expectations seem to be more rigid and being 'off time' has greater consequences. With the exception of those who chose celibacy, those adults who have never had sex or who go for long periods of time without sex may begin to feel 'off time' in regards to sexuality. Once the person begins to feel different from others, it may become more difficult to interact and establish intimacy and chances for sexual intimacy may be reduced. This may be particularly true when the person wants a sexual relationship and feels that everyone else his or her age is more experienced at and knowledgeable about sexual matters.

The same is probably true for partnered involuntary celibates. They are expected to have sex with their partners, except when the partner is ill, disabled or late in pregnancy. They may begin to feel 'off time' and experience themselves as different from other partnered persons. The longer the relationship goes without sex, the harder it may be to reestablish this component. The norm may become sexual inactivity.

They propose that involuntary celibacy is more than one event, but is a combination of the timing, sequencing and duration of sexual behavior. A life course perspective suggests that people who become 'off time' in regards to life transitions involving sexuality begin to feel as if they are no longer traveling on the same path as their peers, and once this happens, it may be difficult to conform to the normative sexual trajectories that their peers are following.

They focused on 4 research questions in their paper:

  1. What social factors inhibit transitions to sexual activity for involuntary celibates?
  2. At what point do the sexual trajectories of involuntary celibates become 'off time'?
  3. What is the process by which involuntary celibates become 'off time' in regards to sexuality?
  4. What factors keep involuntary celibates 'off time' and inhibit the establishment and maintenance of sexual relationships?


Methods:

A member of an on-line discussion group for involuntary celibates approached the first author of the paper via email to ask about research on involuntary celibacy. It soon became apparent that little had been done, and so the discussion group volunteered to be interviewed and a research team was put together. An initial questionnaire was mailed to 35 group members, and they got a return rate of 85%. They later posted it to a web page so that other potential respondents had access to it. Eventually 60 men and 22 women took the survey.

Table 1 shows their characteristics.

Most were between the ages of 25-34, 28% were married or living with a partner, 89% had attended or completed college. Professionals (45%) and students (16%) were the two largest groups. 85% of the sample was white, 89% were heterosexual. 70% lived in the U.S. and the rest primarily in Western Europe, Canada and Australia. They didn't find any national differences between US respondents and others, with the exception that those growing up in Western Europe were more likely to have received sexual education as children both from parents and other sources.

This is a non-random sample, thus they do not suggest generalizing their results to other groups, but they state that the value of this research lies in the rich descriptive data obtained about the lives of involuntary celibates, a group about which little is known.

The questionnaire contained 13 categorical, close-ended questions assessing demographic data such as age, sex, marital status, living arrangement, income, education, employment type, area of residence, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, religious preference, political views, and time spent on the computer. 58 open-ended questions investigated such areas as past sexual experiences, current relationships, initiating relationships, sexuality and celibacy, nonsexual relationships and the consequences of celibacy. They started out by asking about childhood experiences, progressed to questions about teen and early adult years and finished with questions about current status and the effects of celibacy.

Celibacy Status:

Their respondents fell into 3 categories, virgins (those with no sexual experience), single celibates (not currently partnered but who did have past sexual experience) and partnered celibates (those in partnerships and had past sexual experience).

Virginal celibates tended to be younger than the other two groups, and to have never or rarely dated. 76% of the virgins were male, 24% female.

Teenage Experiences with Dating and Sex:

While varying somewhat by gender and religion, by the time they reach adulthood, most U.S. adolescents have masturbated, dated and experimented with sex with partners. 78% of this sample had discussed sex with friends, 84% had masturbated as teens. The virgins and singles, however, differed from national averages in their dating and sexual experiences.

91% of virgins and 52d% of singles had never dated as teenagers. Males reported hesitancy in initiating dates, and females reporting a lack of invitations by males. For those who did date, their experiences tended to be very limited. Only 29% of virgins reported first sexual experiences that involved other people, and they frequently reported no sexual activity at all except for masturbation. Singles were more likely than virgins to have had an initial sexual experience that involved other people (76%), but they tended to report that they were dissatisfied with the experience.

78% of partnered respondents recounted initial activities involving other people (kissing, petting, oral sex, intercourse).

Summary: While most of the sample had discussed sex with friends and masturbated as teens, most virgins and singles did not date. Singles were similar to partnered persons in terms of first sexual experiences, while the majority of virgins reported first sexual experiences that did not include another person. Virgins and singles may have missed important transitions, and as they got older, their trajectories began to differ from those of their age peers. Patterns of sexuality in young adulthood are significantly related to dating, steady dating and sexual experience in adolescence. It is rare for a teenager to initiate sexual activity outside of a dating relationship. While virginity and lack of experience are fairly common in teenagers and young adults, by the time these respondents reached their mid-twenties, they reported feeling left behind by age peers. The authors suspect this is particularly true for gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans adolescents, and in their sample, all 8 people in that group were either virgins or singles. As previous research has shown, a major reason for becoming 'off time' in making sexual transitions is the process of coming out to oneself and others. Even for the heterosexuals in the study, it appears that lack of dating and sexual experimentation in the teen years may be precursors to problems in adult sexual relationships.

Becoming Celibate:

Many of the virgins reported that becoming celibate involved a lack of sexual and interpersonal experience at several different transition points in adolescence and young adulthood. They never or rarely dated, had little experience with interpersonal sexual activity, and had never had sexual intercourse. Singles were more likely to have dated and experimented sexually, but had difficulty in finding and maintaining relationships and tended to go for long periods of time between sexual partners. 20% of single men reported that their only sexual encounters were with paid sex workers (no single women reported this kind of activity).

In contrast, partnered celibates generally became sexually inactive by a very different process. All had initially been sexually active with their partners, but at some point stopped. At the time of the survey, sexual intimacy no longer or very rarely occurred in their relationships. The majority of them (70%) started out having satisfactory relationships, but they slowly stopped having sex as time went on.

13% reported that one partner had been sexually reluctant from the beginning of the relationship. See comments.

17% of the respondents reported one partner making a conscious decision to suspend sexual activity. This often occurred in the context of pregnancy or childbirth. When a partner decides to stop having sex, often there is little that the other can do about the situation. There were no male-female differences among partnered persons, all were not having sex and all were unhappy about it.

Thus the trajectories by which each group of celibates arrived at their present condition varied greatly, with virgins becoming 'off time' in their teens and early twenties, and never experiencing the transition to sexual activity. Single celibates showed some signs of difficulty as adolescents, but appeared to have been at least somewhat similar to their age peers in establishing sexual relationships. Similar to partnered celibates, they got 'off time' as adults. Partnered celibates were unique, however, in that they were currently in relationships that had, over time, become nonsexual.

Barriers to Sexual Relationships:

Once respondents felt 'off time' in their sexual trajectories, they suspected that several factors kept them from having sexual relationships.

  1. They found that shyness was a barrier to developing and maintaining relationships for many of the respondents. Virgins (94%) and singles (84%) were more likely to report shyness than were partnered respondents (20%). The men (89%) were more likely to report being shy than women (77%). 41% of virgins and 23% of singles reported an inability to relate to others socially. See comments, first column.
  2. Another barrier is body image. Researchers suspect there is an indirect link between body image and sexual experience, with those with body image problems avoiding social situations and by doing so, they miss out on sexual opportunities. The authors of this study found that 1/3 of the respondents thought their weight, appearance, or physical characteristics were obstacles to attracting potential partners. 47% of virgins and 56% of singles mentioned these factors, compared to only 9% of partnered people.

    Women were more likely to mention being overweight as a problem, while men were more likely to mention being underweight.
  3. Living arrangements, work arrangements and lack of transportation all probably contributed to the self-perpetuating nature of celibacy. 20% of virgins and 28% of singles report these barriers. See comments, second column, middle. Virginal and single men were more likely to be in sex-segregated occupations than women and to see this as a barrier. For partnered celibates, children (50%), commitment to marriage (32%) and finances (27%) were the biggest barriers to leaving a current relationship. Even though 82% had thought about leaving, 86% reported no plans to do so. Most of the people reported that they were reluctant to establish a extramarital relationship because of moral beliefs, concerns about their family or lack of opportunity.


The Consequences of Celibacy:

35% of celibates were dissatisfied, frustrated or angry about their lack of sexual relationships, and this was true regardless of partnership status.

Many felt that their sexual development had somehow stalled in an earlier stage of life; feeling different from their peers and feeling like they will never catch up.

For partnered people, the issues were different. They also felt different than their peers, and frustrated by their partner's lack of interest. When they tried to initiate sex, they were often met with rejection. These rejections are often cause problems in other areas of their lives. See comment.

All respondents perceived their lack of sexual activity in a negative light and in all likelihood, the relationship between involuntary celibacy and unhappiness, anger and depression is reciprocal, with involuntary celibacy contributing to negative feelings, but these negative feelings also causing people to feel less self-confident and less open to sexual opportunities when they occur. The longer the duration of the celibacy, the more likely our respondents were to view it as a permanent way of life. Virginal celibates tended to see their condition as temporary for the most part, but the older they were, the more likely they were to see it as permanent, and the same was true for single celibates. Partnered celibates saw their situations as unlikely to change.

Conclusion:

As a group, all involuntary celibates appear to have difficulty with the timing and maintenance of culturally sanctioned age-based norms of sexuality. Also, most celibates appear to feel despair, depression, frustration and a loss of confidence. This negatively affected the ways in which they viewed themselves, and they seemed less likely to take steps to initiate sexual activity. The longer the duration of the celibacy, the more they despaired of ever having a normal sexual relationship.

Cultural expectations about masculinity and femininity affected the respondents. Men were more likely to have graduate or professional degrees than the females, to work in sex-segregated jobs and to spend more time on the computer. Women were more likely to report that their bodys were a barrier to sex and to feel constrained by gender role norms that influenced them to act in traditional ways. Men reported that they felt trapped by expectations that they should take the initiative in relationships, while women felt they should not initiate dates or sexual activity.

Less than 25% of this sample reported that they filled sexual needs by viewing pornography, engaging in sexually explicit cyber chatting or having cyber sex. They appeared to use the internet more to find moral support than for sexual stimulation. For most, the internet provided them with a community and filled emotional needs. Just as they were hesitant to begin sexual relationships in real life, this sample was hesitant to establish sexual connections on-line as well.

This, to me, seems like the most sarcastic article ever. It reads like someone wrote some huge dramatic dissertation about why kids like to use crayons instead of pencils. This was literally a class project put into a journal.... and not even a peer reviewed article.
You got any other studies @Holden ? Preferably ACTUAL studies... and not just an analysis of some polls from some guys on the internet?
He really has no original ideas, does he?
 
He really has no original ideas, does he?
Really doesn't. That fucking "study" though. I'm still chuckling.

Kinda wondering if he even read it, or if he googled "study" and "involuntarily celibate" and linked the first thing he hit.

This "study" was literally about nothing. It defined involuntarily celibate, said they asked 82 guys about it, and then talked about what these guys said and how these guys felt and why the internet helped these guys out (by giving them friends, essentially). At no point did it ever hint at the reason behind this "big ticket issue", or anything else. It literally didn't analysis anything other than how the internet helps these guys out. There was NO talk about the cause of it, only the effect; which was boiled down to "It makes them frustrated and lonely and sad".
 
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(You can admit it; you just picked Alexander because people tack "the Great" after his name
Relatively many rulers have this after their name.

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claiming him as your personal hero
Fabrication.

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Too bad you don't know shit about the actual classical era
Because?

Macie, isn't there some kind of scientific google? I never really needed it, but try googling the term there and see if you can find more. In any case, what is the point of all of this? I constantly claimed it is unjustly poorly researched.

Also, yes, a study can also have research data and not much more.

You brought no new info, you make no explanation as to why you're even asking for this (unless it's that reason that only lunatics have, given how we present incel), you state lies about some mindset when 1. there is no single mindset and it is obvious from this very thread - remember the demented incels like sikotik, Black Idiotchu and azazel on this very thread 2. the mindset you present is a lie.

There was NO talk about the cause of it
See what I say above.

Also, what is the point of asking for these studies again? To prove you're insane? I already know you are.

Also, Macie, would you mind answering to the rest of what I told you? How you'd fuck your kid up and get him jailed by making him respect what hates to be respected and wants to be mauled?
 
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Macie, isn't there some kind of scientific google? I never really needed it, but try googling the term there and see if you can find more. In any case, what is the point of all of this? I constantly claimed it is unjustly poorly researched.

Also, yes, a study can also have research data and not much more.

Also, what is the point of asking for these studies again? To prove you're insane? I already know you are.
YOU are the one claiming that Incel is something SCIENTIFIC STUDIES use and research. Yet you can't provide even one. This was no where near a scientific study. It was a poll. The fact that you even said it was poorly researched shows that it is not a viable study.

Remember guys, Holden giving you an autistic rating means you've hit too close to home and have hit a tender spot in his ego.
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Continue with caution at that point.


Also, Macie, would you mind answering to the rest of what I told you? How you'd fuck your kid up and get him jailed by making him respect what hates to be respected and wants to be mauled?
I would mind. I didn't reply because it was literally too dumb to reply to. But you brought it up; so I guess I'll let you know now, it's too dumb to reply to.
 
Stop strawmanning me and lying, you dumb bitch.
1. It wasn't just a poll.
2. I haven't said that this study was poorly researched but that incel itself was.

Keep comforting yourself that you hit anywhere when you say lies and nonsense like these. Somebody gets this rating from me when they said something exceptionally retarded.

I would mind. I didn't reply because it was literally too dumb to reply to. But you brought it up; so I guess I'll let you know now, it's too dumb to reply to.
So, why again was it too dumb to reply to? When I say stuff like this I give an explanation, even if it's a very brief one.

Oh should I also say I "hit too close to home" and claim I won?
 
Really doesn't. That fucking "study" though. I'm still chuckling.

Kinda wondering if he even read it, or if he googled "study" and "involuntarily celibate" and linked the first thing he hit.

This "study" was literally about nothing. It defined involuntarily celibate, said they asked 82 guys about it, and then talked about what these guys said and how these guys felt and why the internet helped these guys out (by giving them friends, essentially). At no point did it ever hint at the reason behind this "big ticket issue", or anything else. It literally didn't analysis anything other than how the internet helps these guys out. There was NO talk about the cause of it, only the effect; which was boiled down to "It makes them frustrated and lonely and sad".
I'd like to know where they got the idea of 6 months being the bench mark for incel. It really sounds like something one of my friends was going on about when she lost her virginity in high school... She was afraid that her parents would find out, and one of the guys told her that if she didn't have sex for a few months she would be a virgin again. Desperate people grasp at straws, I guess... And this high school science can totes be counted as the basis for a renewed virginity movement. (Which is a thing) :P

And what kind of arbitrary number is 82? Out of all the internet why that number? Not even 100 guys wanted to participate? Questions...

I feel bad for people who cannot find a s/o when they want one tho. Everyone needs some form of human interaction and a level of physical contact to feel a connection... Just some people do not possess the social skills to be successful and really need to focus their energy on getting a doctor's referral for treatment/therapy. When one is happy, others will notice and be more attracted to the positivity... No one likes a self-hating, gloomy Gus.

But, I'm preaching to the choir here, sans one.
 
You have yet to demonstrate your assertion that "stupidity, immorality, lack of desire to take care of your kids and retardation are desirable traits".
Huh? I think I did demonstrate it as much as possible (like the UN chart of illegitimacy rates and America Association of Blood Banks reports for some hard data, and various info that would easily lead to this conclusion via inductive reasoning). But the main point of why you'll never accept is that you can't seem to understand what stupidity, immorality and retardation are, since you're all that. This isn't ad hom, it's the facts. Anybody who saw how many times your replies to me were completely insane and laughed at by me can see that, though.

It really sounds like something one of my friends was going on
Oh boy. I knew it was a mistake to read on after that. Sadly, I did read a few more sentences after it.

IJust some people do not possess the social skills to be successful and really need to focus their energy on getting a doctor's referral for treatment/therapy. When one is happy, others will notice and be more attracted to the positivity... No one likes a self-hating, gloomy Gus.
Hihihihihi. And then the pink unicorns come and fly you away. You are the problem. When you aren't liked by sick skanks everybody can fuck with IQs of grasshoppers you are the problem, bud. Not them. They are angels. Therapy !!!!!
 
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So, why again was it too dumb to reply to? When I say stuff like this I give an explanation, even if it's a very brief one.

Oh should I also say I "hit too close to home" and claim I won?
You're a little upset that I noticed I hit too close to home and told everyone how to spot it too huh?

You have a very interesting tell Holden. Usually, when you want to change the subject, you start spewing the low IQ poetry. That gets people to be like "wtf, Holden's broken again" and gives everyone a good laugh.

BUT, when you get particularly hurt or upset about something someone said... like it hits too close to home, you start rating their post(s) autistic.... likely because you want to rate it dumb but you've lost that privilege. And you want to rate it dumb because it hurt your feelings or your ideals a little bit.

It's ok. We don't have to talk about how Incel isn't actually used in any real scientific studies (like you claimed). We really don't need to discuss how you've lied to everyone by claiming "incel" was being used in scientific studies and then linked an analysis about a poll on 82 men on the internet. So instead of talking about how this "analysis" ON A POLL was done by a teacher and some of her students and put into a Journal about Sex
Remember that proverb I told you about? That involves feeding a cow? Would you mind sharing it here, please?

No, just like it wouldn't insure he'd find a unicorn.

There are incels (deranged ones, but that's an attractive feature today) who are quite happy on their own. Yet nobody is attracted to them. You are selling toxic lies a smart fifth grader would laugh at.

This would make him hated.

Again, you're taking my comparison too literally.

So I'll make it as non-abstract as I can - you want women to be respected but for them to be monsters who nobody sane would respect and who hate those who respect them. Is this more clear?
This is what you said to me..... It's dumb.
I do not have children, nor do I plan to actually ever have children. All this talk about my hypothetical children started in a skype chat when you asked me some question and I replied that I would teach any children I had (boy or girl) to be happy with who they are, to not depend on others for their happiness, and above all else, hurting others (murder, abuse, assault, rape, violence, etc) is absolutely wrong. That's what I said.

Just like any other thing I talk about, you take it and run your big mouth until it's no longer reminiscent of what it once was.

So, like I said, your post was too dumb to reply to. But, again, you've brought it up so I guess I have to tell you why (even though you only tell us why for half the posts you call dumb).
 
Every sentence that Fuckbot states is usually fail, but this post is above the norm.

Macie, isn't there some kind of scientific google?

Yeah; it's called Google Scholar. It's actually quite useful, money gouging papers aside. At least the abstracts tend to give some idea of what's inside. It and EBSCOHOST are any student or researcher's bros.

I never really needed it, but try googling the term there and see if you can find more.

Two things:

A: You clearly do need it. You say so many things without finding research because you get spoonfed all the stuff that you spout. If you actually used either system, or hell, normal google in between shitposting here, you'd probably learn something.
B: You continue to want to shove the burden of proof on others. Well tough shit Fuckbot; you state something that this board is skeptical on, your job to provide evidence. Claims require evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have so far failed utterly to find anything remotely resembling evidence for the stuff you're positing.

In any case, what is the point of all of this? I constantly claimed it is unjustly poorly researched.

So you basically did this:

It's poorly researched because it's poorly researched. Eh? Point where? Are you insane? It's just poorly researched. If you can't see it then you're obviously stupid: BREAK SLUTS BREAK SLUTS BREAK SLUTS 5EDG33MI

Also, yes, a study can also have research data and not much more.

Any research paper worth a shit has the following:

Abstract that defines what the paper was looking at, how it was done, and the results. It tells the reader what to expect.
Introduction: This covers the main elements that will be looked at as well as any past information or research made on the specific phenomenon observed.
Methods/Materials: Basically the process behind the research and how it was done. Typically where a decent chunk of data lies.
Data: The meat and taters of the research. It can or cannot include explanations alongside it.
Discussion/Conclusion: Reflection on what was found in the research. Can include anything from the study positing a hypothesis around the results, an explanation into what went wrong, and so on.

And now onto the projection:

I bring no new info

Srsly, this is utterly true considering how you have been spouting the same shit since page 1 of Thread 1.

I make no explanation as to why I'm even asking for this

This is pretty common for you and why I'm cool with skipping pages of your autism, since you back up your statements with the statement, as if just saying it over and over again makes it true. By the way, that's called dogma. Probably heard of it considering that your alleged history degree gets a bit into religion last I checked.

Unless it's that reason that only lunatics like me have, given how I present angry sobbing assholes who sperg about sex

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I state lies about some mindset when 1. there is a mindset and it is obvious from this very thread 2. the mindset I try to present is a lie.

The original version even included a bout of circular logic: "It's a lie because it's a lie".
 
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Because I'd still not have an arranged marriage.
"Daddy daddy buy me a bride!"

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For example, macie claims that she'd rather let her potential son be incel than rape. Well, guess what Macie? Even if you disregard the fact that this might likely get him in prison he'll inflict more pain to women by just being incel and not raping, since he will annoy them to no end. Hence I say "obsolete female worship fetishists".
The only correct thing you said is that "incels" like you are annoying to no end.
 
I replied that I would teach any children I had (boy or girl) to be happy with who they are,
Would you teach them to be happy with a nail in their head?

to not depend on others for their happiness
Yeah, if that were possible we'd die off about 100,000 years ago.

hurting others (murder, abuse, assault, rape, violence, etc) is absolutely wrong
BUT TREATING WOMEN WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY IS HURTING THEM TODAY, YOU DUMB BITCH !!!!

THAT WAS MY POINT ALL ALONG !

"Daddy daddy buy me a bride!"
Arranged marriages aren't necessarily buying.

you are annoying to no end.
So we agree then. Non-rapists are annoying if they can't attract whore meat in other ways. You must beat to be a knight.
 
Macie, I went through 3-4 sentences of lies and insults to get to something I already debunked and told you where to look for more. I honestly don't care for it. If your point is that I'm lying it isn't true. Oh, look http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-001-1028-x

Kewl, I think Kent Hovind's Essay got cited more times than that particular paper. You see, a really good metric for a paper's quality or worth in science is how often it's been cited. This has been cited twice... over 14 years. Kind of shit. Actually... quite shit really.
 
Macie, I went through 3-4 sentences of lies and insults to get to something I already debunked and told you where to look for more. I honestly don't care for it. If your point is that I'm lying it isn't true. Oh, look http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-001-1028-x
OMFG you dumb dumb man. What you just linked is literally the same thing you linked before. Same authors,same article, same timeline (year and everything); just a different title with a little different attitude. It's likely the same shit but a different journal about Sex. (Why is it always sex with you?)

It's the same exact data from before, same analysis. Are you even reading these? Of course not. You're just google searching for incel and study. Why don't you just admit that you didn't know what the hell you were talking about when you said scientific journals use incel and research it too.

Would you teach them to be happy with a nail in their head?

Yeah, if that were possible we'd die off about 100,000 years ago.

BUT TREATING WOMEN WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY IS HURTING THEM TODAY, YOU DUMB BITCH !!!!

THAT WAS MY POINT ALL ALONG !
If my child was unfortunate enough to get a nail in their head, and survive, then yes, I would still teach them to be happy.
There are a handful of unfortunate people who have gotten nails in their head from accidents and have gone on to continue to live happy fulfilling lives.

I believe 100,000 years ago is far longer than we have any recorded or oral history for.... so I'm not sure why you'd even say something this redundant.
And millions are happy without a spouse... clergy for one. Nuns. I'm happy and I'm not in a relationship. There are many other people on this forum that are happy as themselves. Their happiness is not dependent on another person. It's completely selfish and egotistical to demand or expect that someone else make you happy. Downright rude.

Treating women with respect and dignity is not hurting them. By definition... if you are treating someone with respect and dignity you cannot and would not be hurting them.
 
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