2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Yeah electoral reform to clean up the processes is happening. There is going to be a lot of election legislation and litigation in the next several years no matter who wins this dustup.
Watch us switch to vote-by-phone.

I don't see how that happens. They can keep finding ballots and ignoring court orders, but surely that just pushes it to the Supreme Court faster?
While I PERSONALLY believe that the President should be able to petition the Supreme Court directly in order to resolve this exact kind of issue immediately, the actual consensus is that you must go through lower courts first. Which creates yet more stalling.
 
There's a hard time limit in Decemeber when the Electoral College gets officially divvied out. If they can stall until then, that's it.
And recounts take time and money, and can themselves be stalled.

Well, even then there's the final Hail Mary: the Electoral votes themselves are cast, meaning that there is the potential that the College could flip the whole thing on its head by themselves, but that's getting into serious rainbow territory.

Would make a hell of a story, though...
Honestly, if that happens, then that means that there were contingency plans for their contingency plans to force Trump out of office. Assuming the fix is in, then we’re talking about people thinking 15 steps ahead to force out Trump, and they could have used anybody on the ticket willing to play along and be a tool. I haven’t seen something like this since I last watched Death Note.
 
Yeah electoral reform to clean up the processes is happening. There is going to be a lot of election legislation and litigation in the next several years no matter who wins this dustup.
If dems are smart and want to win back the trust of the people, yes. Otherwise I don't really like where we are headed.
 
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Honestly, if that happens, then that means that there were contingency plans for their contingency plans to force Trump out of office. Assuming the fix is in, then we’re talking about people thinking 15 steps ahead to force out Trump, and they could have used anybody on the ticket willing to play along and be a tool. I haven’t seen something like this since I last watched Death Note.
They wargamed this, remember? What do you think that was for if not a Purple Revolution?
 
I genuinely like Lindsey and Mitch. They finally woke up and started fighting during Trump's term. The Republicans are a weak team with a few powerful leaders, but they need support.
It was geniuinely amazing to see the GOP after McCain died. It was like somebody gave them back their balls for a change. It would be a damn shame if after this election they decide to go back to some Lincoln Project cuckoldry.
 
What part of what I just said is not connecting to some of you guys here. Ok, fine. Suppose Trump gets a recount, wins the ones that count that pushes him over the edge. Great. He gets 4 more years. What happens the next election then if the Left gets away with this and try to pull the same stunt? How about the next one where the stakes will be bigger? And so on, and so forth...
Lmao, last time I asked this question a few months ago I just got a smug reply that Trump would obviously landslide the election and that you do not need to think that far ahead; Truth is: they don't have an answer for you.
 
I genuinely like Lindsey and Mitch. They finally woke up and started fighting during Trump's term. The Republicans are a weak team with a few powerful leaders, but they need support.
Ok sure, but when they betray Trump don't act like people didn't say they saw it coming. They know that if they do not at least signal support for Trump the party the head will break apart, they are coming out this late for that reason alone. It took an uproar from conservatives/Trump supporters across social media and probably calls to their offices as well to scare them into this. You don't get where they are by going against the tide.
 
Its... not really UP to Trump's team. They can suggest it, but there is no precedent here. What the Supreme Court decides to do, if anything, will set the precedent for a lot of stuff.

This is also why I don't expect them to wiff it, the precedent that'd set would be damning.

The backstop for this stuff is the state legislatures and the Electoral College itself. This is part of what they are there for--to deal with extraordinary circumstances, or circumstances that changed between the election and Inauguration Day.

I'd have to double-check the details, but I believe that either party can challenge the actual legality of votes submitted by a state. That's part of what happened to force the 1877 Compromise; both candidates submitted a slate of electors for disputed states, each claiming they had won the state, and Congress had to decide which delegations to accept.

If Trump really is the fighter everything thinks he is, his last resort is to pull this move, submit a slate of electors for the states he claims to win, and force Congress to deal with it. If they use the same model of House+Senate+SCOTUS members, they might have the legitimacy to overturn what the states themselves decided was the outcome.
 
It was geniuinely amazing to see the GOP after McCain died. It was like somebody gave them back their balls for a change. It would be a damn shame if after this election they decide to go back to some Lincoln Project cuckoldry.
I'd like to think it reminded those old farts of their own mortality and the fact that only their legacy would remain

j/k I laughed when McCain bit it and I'll laugh when McConnell, Graham and the rest of those shitheels bite it
 
I know this looks like a glow post considering it is only my 2nd post here, but I have to ask. Lets say Biden gets away with blatant voter fraud. What will the right actually do about it? I ask because all this talk of 'we all have millions of guns they won't get away with it' only works if you use them. Seriously, I know people with a damn arsenal, and they have literally buried one or two long rifles on their property with the plan being 'if they ban AR15s, I will tell them I lost them all in a canoe accident.' What is the fucking point of that? You are only going to literally armed revolt if they go door to door? Red flag laws practically do that already, and I don't see any armed revolts. Besides, lets face it, if they go so far as to actually try to go door to door, people won't fight back.

The left won't actually do that though, they will just ban the new sale and manufacture of them, put all existing ARs on the NFA, and then say you can't sell any. The right won't do anything, and if asked everyone will have accidentally dropped their 8 boomered-up ARs off of a cliff in a climbing accident. Your gun laws just got subverted and you did nothing. THE SCOTUS WILL SAVE US you will say, but what if they don't, what will you do then?

Sorry for the glow/doom post but the right has been neutered over the past 3 decades. At least the commies and socialists are willing to riot for months on end to get what they want.

Please tell me what the actual way out of this that isn't me being a glow. Because I have a very bad feeling that they are going to steal this, and if you can't even fucking keep your head down, not say anything to your friends, delete all social media, and vote to change the country, then the only way I see left is to actually take up physical arms. Tell me another strategy, I don't want to believe that is the only way.
 
Ok sure, but when they betray Trump don't act like people didn't say they saw it coming. They know that if they do not at least signal support for Trump the party the head will break apart, they are coming out this late for that reason alone. It took an uproar from conservatives/Trump supporters across social media and probably calls to their offices as well to scare them into this. You don't get where they are by going against the tide.
I actually agreed with you up to a point. Put simply, now is the best time for them to come forward. Mounting evidence of fraud has only really solidified today. With statistical analysis and photo-video evidence coming to light along with the recent actions in Michigan.

There was plenty smoke before, but now we have some fire.

This doesn't detract from it being opportunism, but it does detract from any claim they waited too long.
 
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