2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

Probably not, but they might feel more compelled when the opponent ,who was a draft dodger and his kids won't sign up, is calling them suckers and losers or mocking POWs. We shall see. I'm not expecting a blue wave or anything.

So what? Clinton, Obama and Joe Biden also never served in the military and Joe Biden would have also been old enough to serve in Vietnam.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Go to the riot thread and every other page is someone claiming Da Joos are responsible....

That's what I mean.

 

[Creep3r]

Slow and steady wins the race, his Pocket Turtles say as much!

JEB! 2024

TO HELL WITH SLOW AND STEADY!

JEB 2020 4EVER!

 

[Salubrious]

From reading here, these are some of the beliefs that at least the average Farmer may have:

• Intense dislike for government overreach
• Intense dislike of any censorship
• Isolationist tendencies, not getting involved in foreign wars or elections
• Fine with stuff like gay marriage, doesn’t like troons or people that troon their kids out
• Dislikes identity politics
• At least a few on here would be fine with legalizing marijuana, but have it be regulated
• Likes guns, as seen in the gun sperging thread
• Dislikes glowies and government agents that try to plant things to get people riled up
• Dislikes BLM and AntiFa entirely (both non progressive Democrats and Republicans loathe those groups)
  
  Most of these stances aren’t inherently right wing or conservative, in fact, quite a few of these beliefs are more populist. Trump is a populist, which is why you have a crossover of Republicans and Democrats coming together because they want a populist more than anything else

As recently as ten years ago, the right was hard church-going, God-fearing, "won't somebody please think of the children?" religious right.

It's fascinating in 10 years that both sides have completely flip-flopped on free speech. Mostly because the left are heavily censoring the right now. "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is LONG gone with the left. Hell on the left, it's "it doesn't matter what you say, if you're white then you're racist."

 

[Coccxys]

The narrative that taking it to court is somehow attempting to pervert the election or cheat is really ramping up. How can taking something that looks dodgy to court and presenting the evidence for a decision to be made an attempt to cheat? If anything it's increasing the openness of the electoral process.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

As recently as ten years ago, the right was hard church-going, God-fearing, "won't somebody please think of the children?" religious right.

It's fascinating in 10 years that both sides have completely flip-flopped on free speech. Mostly because the left are heavily censoring the right now. "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is LONG gone with the left. Hell on the left, it's "it doesn't matter what you say, if you're white then you're racist."

It varied even back then. Ron Paul was huge on 4chan around that time and he was part of the Christian right, though he had a libertarian stance on free speech.

If you go back to the early 2000s before the 2008 Paul campaign I'd agree, though.

 

[JambledUpWords]

I have seen a few super hard right wingers who praise fascism and deny the Holocaust, especially in Articles and News section, but they're the minority and probably come from /pol/. There used to be a lot more of them around the time of Christchurch.

Spergs like that are everywhere. Also, with the internet, I have to question if they’re being serious or just doing an edgy LARP. I ignore them because they add nothing to the conversation and just end up derailing otherwise interesting threads. They are definitely not the majority, seeing as how other users will call them out for being annoying.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Spergs like that are everywhere. Also, with the internet, I have to question if they’re being serious or just doing an edgy LARP. I ignore them because they add nothing to the conversation and just end up derailing otherwise interesting threads. They are definitely not the majority, seeing as how other users will call them out for being annoying.

The type of spergs varies, though. You don't see far right spergs on Reddit anymore (though they used to have subreddits like /r/altright many years ago), just commie ones. Similarly I've only ever seen a couple of commies on this site.

 

[babadook]

I’m new here but why are there only republicans posting here? Seems on reddit main politics sub there are only Democrats. Maybe just difference in site users? Apologies if someone addressed this before. I keep trying to find a site with a mix of views to see the debating but that doesn’t seem to be happening

I'm a classicalist liberal theocrat with a 1/3rd posadist and 1/11th Nietzschenian ancestry.
MAGA (Make Armenia Great Again)

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

He's not eccentric or foolish.

He's definitely eccentric and has an attitude problem, but yeah he isn't dumb. I think by now that much is known. He had a successful business empire for 40+ years before becoming president and only had 5 businesses go bankrupt out of nearly a couple hundred at least, which actually is amazing. He's just really brash and has strange talking patterns.

The narrative that taking it to court is somehow attempting to pervert the election or cheat is really ramping up. How can taking something that looks dodgy to court and presenting the evidence for a decision to be made an attempt to cheat? If anything it's increasing the openness of the electoral process.

It's almost like someone's hiding something and doesn't want the juicy details to come out.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I was listening to the Spiked podcast. They're basically ex Trot Libertarians sympathetic to both Brexit and Trump's supporters, even if Trump himself is a bit to gauche for their tastes.

They said that Trump had alleged fraud 'with as far as we can tell no evidence' and that was bad but the elite alleged fraud in both the Brexit referendum and Trump's 2016 win.

And then it occured to me. Only someone willing to sit up all night watching this and getting a non MSM source of news like here would even know about the evidence. Tweets containing evidence got yeeted within minutes. The MSM won't mention it, just like they didn't mention Hunter Biden's laptop or the evidence that China bribed him. Or they won't mention anything that damages the narrative that the MSM want to push on anything.

And you think if even people like Spiked don't know about the evidence who does? It reminds me of Orwell's worry that 'objective truth was fading out of the world'

https://orwell.ru/library/essays/Spanish_War/english/esw_1

The only propaganda line open to the Nazis and Fascists was to represent themselves as Christian patriots saving Spain from a Russian dictatorship. This involved pretending that life in Government Spain was just one long massacre (vide the Catholic Herald or the Daily Mail — but these were child's play compared with the Continental Fascist press), and it involved immensely exaggerating the scale of Russian intervention. Out of the huge pyramid of lies which the Catholic and reactionary press all over the world built up, let me take just one point — the presence in Spain of a Russian army. Devout Franco partisans all believed in this; estimates of its strength went as high as half a million. Now, there was no Russian army in Spain. There may have been a handful of airmen and other technicians, a few hundred at the most, but an army there was not. Some thousands of foreigners who fought in Spain, not to mention millions of Spaniards, were witnesses of this. Well, their testimony made no impression at all upon the Franco propagandists, not one of whom had set foot in Government Spain. Simultaneously these people refused utterly to admit the fact of German or Italian intervention at the same time as the Germany and Italian press were openly boasting about the exploits of their’ legionaries’. I have chosen to mention only one point, but in fact the whole of Fascist propaganda about the war was on this level.

This kind of thing is frightening to me, because it often gives me the feeling that the very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. After all, the chances are that those lies, or at any rate similar lies, will pass into history. How will the history of the Spanish war be written? If Franco remains in power his nominees will write the history books, and (to stick to my chosen point) that Russian army which never existed will become historical fact, and schoolchildren will learn about it generations hence. But suppose Fascism is finally defeated and some kind of democratic government restored in Spain in the fairly near future; even then, how is the history of the war to be written? What kind of records will Franco have left behind him? Suppose even that the records kept on the Government side are recoverable — even so, how is a true history of the war to be written? For, as I have pointed out already, the Government, also dealt extensively in lies. From the anti-Fascist angle one could write a broadly truthful history of the war, but it would be a partisan history, unreliable on every minor point. Yet, after all, some kind of history will be written, and after those who actually remember the war are dead, it will be universally accepted. So for all practical purposes the lie will have become truth.

It's like the final, crushing, victory of the post-modernist left. There's no objective truth as to how many votes there were. There's just the number the Democrats claim and all other claims or evidence of fraud will get memory-holed.

And as someone pointed out you can see how this will affect the Republican Party by how it affected the Conservatives. The media made a great fuss about how the Conservative Party was seen as 'the nasty party' and they needed to 'detoxify the brand' by becoming a complete clone of Blair's Labour, apart from support for the invasion of Iraq which had destroyed Blair. Cameron famously adopted Blair's pro-Europeanism, his economic policies, his support for Europe, and his relaxed - to put it mildly - attitude to mass immigration. All of this was because the media - who liked all those policies - told him that's what the polls said the public wanted.

The public clearly did not though - hence Brexit which forced the robotically pro-EU Cameron to quit, May to take over to try to filibuster it, and finally Boris.

I could see something like this happen to the Republicans. They'll become the Democrats less the most obviously insane and unpopular policies the Democrats have adopted. And each election they'll lose because of fraud and the fundamentally unpopular nature of those policies. And then the media will say 'Looks like the Republicans need to do some more detoxifying of their party to get rid of the stain Trump left'. Meanwhile the Democrats will move further and further to the left and burrow deeper and deeper into the state.

Blair set up a partisan Supreme Court in the UK which rules in favor of Blairite policies and very much against any non-Blairite ones. He signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights which works much the same way. I think Brexit was the public finally getting sick of being told they couldn't have the policies they wanted by the likes of Cameron and May because of the EU.

 

[Oats12345]

I’m new here but why are there only republicans posting here? Seems on reddit main politics sub there are only Democrats. Maybe just difference in site users? Apologies if someone addressed this before. I keep trying to find a site with a mix of views to see the debating but that doesn’t seem to be happening

Actually I am a Republican. But everyone else here are varies

 

[alreadyhome]

He's definitely eccentric and has an attitude problem, but yeah he isn't dumb. I think by now that much is known. He had a successful business empire for 40+ years before becoming president and only had 5 businesses go bankrupt out of nearly a couple hundred at least, which actually is amazing. He's just really brash and has strange talking patterns.

I disagree that he has an attitude problem and strange talking patterns.

 

[ChikN10der]

If Biden wins, we go back to where we were before, we're used to that, but we'll just keep in mind what happened here. The lefts mask is fully off and we're still alive and not completely out of power yet.

If biden loses, it's all that plus we'll be vindicated.

There's no ending where everyone forgets who the Dems are.

Perhaps some on the right who talk so much about civility will realize this is about raw power now.

After ww1 the Germans got saddled with the cost of the entire war. Then a bunch of angry germans backed into a corner elected a fucking madman to get revenge.

They got their revenge, but it ended poorly for everyone.

 

[Salubrious]

The narrative that taking it to court is somehow attempting to pervert the election or cheat is really ramping up. How can taking something that looks dodgy to court and presenting the evidence for a decision to be made an attempt to cheat? If anything it's increasing the openness of the electoral process.

Because anything that helps Orange Hilter is BAD.

Reporting on the Philly riots? BAD. People might side with Orange Hilter for law and order.
Pelosi passing a Corona stimulus package? BAD. People might see it as Trump getting a win through compromise.


Just look through the prism of "anything that helps Trump is automatically BAD."

 

[JosephStalin]

Just returned from base exchange and commissary.

Looked at the exchange's magazine rack. They had a magazine about Biden as the new President, even before the Democrats have finished stealing the election. No comparable magazine about President Trump. Told the clerk, using the terms I've just used here. She was surprised to learn of the mag, but nothing she could do, and I didn't expect her to be able to do anything.

Sickening, if not outrageous.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I was listening to the Spiked podcast. They're basically ex Trot Libertarians sympathetic to both Brexit and Trump's supporters, even if Trump himself is a bit to gauche for their tastes.

They said that Trump had alleged fraud 'with as far as we can tell no evidence' and that was bad but the elite alleged fraud in both the Brexit referendum and Trump's 2016 win.

And then it occured to me. Only someone willing to sit up all night watching this and getting a non MSM source of news like here would even know about the evidence. Tweets containing evidence got yeeted within minutes. The MSM won't mention it, just like they didn't mention Hunter Biden's laptop or the evidence that China bribed him. Or they won't mention anything that damages the narrative that the MSM want to push on anything.

And you think if even people like Spiked don't know about the evidence who does? It reminds me of Orwell's worry that 'objective truth was fading out of the world'

https://orwell.ru/library/essays/Spanish_War/english/esw_1



It's like the final, crushing, victory of the post-modernist left. There's no objective truth as to how many votes there were. There's just the number the Democrats claim and all other claims or evidence of fraud will get memory-holed.

And as someone pointed out you can see how this will affect the Republican Party by how it affected the Conservatives. The media made a great fuss about how the Conservative Party was seen as 'the nasty party' and they needed to 'detoxify the brand' by becoming a complete clone of Blair's Labour, apart from support for the invasion of Iraq which had destroyed Blair. Cameron famously adopted Blair's pro-Europeanism, his economic policies, his support for Europe, and his relaxed - to put it mildly - attitude to mass immigration. All of this was because the media - who liked all those policies - told him that's what the polls said the public wanted.

The public clearly did not though - hence Brexit which forced the robotically pro-EU Cameron to quit, May to take over to try to filibuster it, and finally Boris.

I could see something like this happen to the Republicans. They'll become the Democrats less the most obviously insane and unpopular policies the Democrats have adopted. And each election they'll lose because of fraud and the fundamentally unpopular nature of those policies. And then the media will say 'Looks like the Republicans need to do some more detoxifying of their party to get rid of the stain Trump left'. Meanwhile the Democrats will move further and further to the left and burrow deeper and deeper into the state.

Blair set up a partisan Supreme Court in the UK which rules in favor of Blairite policies and very much against any non-Blairite ones. He signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights which works much the same way. I think Brexit was the public finally getting sick of being told they couldn't have the policies they wanted by the likes of Cameron and May because of the EU.

Cameron won 2 elections, though, so he had some basis to back up that people were willing to vote for his positions before Brexit. You're suggesting a scenario where the GOP keeps losing and trying the same strategy again and again, which isn't the same thing at all. Trump happened in the first place because the neocons of McCain and Romney lost twice.

I think it's more likely they'll try running someone like DeSantis or even Crenshaw with Trump-ish policies but being a bit less angry on Twitter.

 

[Creep3r]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2020/11/06/oakland-county-election-2020-race-results/6184186002/

Go to the riot thread and every other page is someone claiming Da Joos are responsible....

Spoiler

Technically even the biggest Joepedos believe in the jew conspiracy too.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/donald-j-trump.79004/#post-7698310

 

[Overcooked Raccoon]

I do consider myself a national conservative, but I agree that right leaning cows should be mocked too. I know if a load of ballots had suddenly turned up for Trump after election day and won a landslide for him I'd have been heading over to the TES thread to laugh with the liberals.

Just like comedy everyone should be a target, No group is magically expelled from critique, which is why when the Dems go into crazed fanatics about the Trump supporters they're looking at something for face value. There's always more to a story and it's your group's acceptance to learn about what would make the other be so appealing to them that truly sets you on the right path.

@JambledUpWords brought up some good points about why people of both would go Trump, especially because while he is a fucking retard (imo) he does have a powerful charisma that lets people feel like their wishes are being granted which is why you're seeing the biggest irony of Trump supporters protesting against voting. That's the power a person in charge can have with their ideals and the influence it can bring to cause people for both parties to follow suit.

My dad who was an immigrant from Ireland and is generally in the lower-middle class voted for him and it mystified me for months as to why he would especially since he's generally a Dem. It made so much more sense the more I looked into that effect a populist can have to make even someone not from this country fall into that vibe.

 

[Gehenna]

The narrative that taking it to court is somehow attempting to pervert the election or cheat is really ramping up. How can taking something that looks dodgy to court and presenting the evidence for a decision to be made an attempt to cheat? If anything it's increasing the openness of the electoral process.

The one good thing about all this, we now know for a fact the majority of american's DON'T just sit slack-jawed in front of their TV and believe what the man on the screen says. If they did, Trump would have been legitimately voted out by huge margins.