US Instances of Voter Fraud (Megathread?) - Probably a good idea to have a thread on this given how often it's discussed and will continue to be discussed even after November.

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This is currently the most reassuring thread on the planet at this very moment to me. Thank you weaponsized autist :semperfidelis:

Tour of italy needs help finding something if any of you guys are aware of what they're looking for:

Can you guys do me a huge favor?

I got into a heated discussion with someone about fraud and the late night Michigan error that was corrected came up.

I know it’s fucking gaslighting for the media to fact check that particular late night dump because I’m certain that other ones have been made with similar improbable margins.

There’s a story in particular I’m thinking of in Wisconsin where it looks like ballots came in late, after the deadline, poll watchers were ejected prior to counting and then the batch came up overwhelmingly for Biden. I saw pictures of the SUV bringing them in on a Twitter post with a timeline but things are moving so fast that I can’t track it down.

There are other stories claiming that counters told observers that they were done counting for the night but started counting and making reports anyway after people went home.

Some help finding these sources would be much appreciated. Any other archived info about questionable dumps is appreciated too.

Even if it weren’t for the election, other personal events made this an intensely stressful week and I’ve gotten maybe 6 hours of sleep in the past two days and I’m just exhausted.
 
I'll post this here. Maybe it's evidence, maybe not. Don't know what to make of it.
Sort by birth basically.

Alot of people still alive who were born between 1850 and 1920 in PA(and if its actually something, then it goes well beyond 1920, just you enter the age where people born then are perhaps likely to still be alive today). And its mostly swinging to D.

For the 1800 dates, they list "The reason some birth dates will display as 1/1/1800 is due to confidentiality reasons of the registered votes. Usually this is for victims of domestic violence." for it.
 
You guys think the fraud is real or it's a

C O P E
there is too much shit going on here for it to not be fraud, but i will hold judgement while it gets investigated
i want trump to win and i hate biden, but if biden wins then he wins. im not gonna be one of those fags screaming "NOT MY PRESIDENT"

i just want to make sure that the citizens of this fine country can have confidence in voting for gods sake (:_(
 
3 years of Russia, then impeachment
4years of people in government trying to get rid of Trump
Dems trying to get rid of the electoral college
dropping the age to vote in california to 17
extending the dates for mail in vote.
DNC back stabbing Bernie Sanders. Hilary calling Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset
etc....

I'm 100% certain this election is not rigged
The Democrats are very honest and I have no reason to think they would try anything
Biden is president, end of story
 
Every single major swing state uses the Dominion election software.

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Nancy Pelosi has ties to it.
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The headquarters of Dominion Voting Systems is in Canada, for some reason.
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The Dominion system violated Benford's law in 2016 with Hillary Clinton's votes in Wisconsin.

People are digging for more info on Dominion.
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They found nothing conclusive so far, but it's interesting regardless. Weaponized autism is a thing of beauty.


In other news, Wikipedia changed the definition of Benford's law on November 5 to make people stop asking questions.
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I'm very behind on the election thread, so I'm glad to see Dominion being discussed here. Some interesting things:

Looks like Maricopa decided to switch to it last year, to avoid "snafus" - lmao

Georgia also made the switch last year. A judge was concerned but ultimately decided fuck it and let this happen.

I haven't looked up other states/counties yet (no time at the moment, may later) but here's a more detailed map for anyone interested:
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Funny enough, I read an article complaining about right wing interests in the other companies (red and light blue), but they don't seem to be fucking with WA and OR results.
 
So this Dr. Steve whatever guy who talked about the DHS Watermark, you think he's trustworthy? I hate when people immediately write off InfoWars, due to the nature of how Alex Jones delivers information, even when the guy's been right about things in the past, but can we trust this guy? I know he's written a few books, and was a Department of State Official for a time, but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth about this. Regardless, with all the fuckery that seems to be afoot, I fully believe Trump is well within his rights to request an audit/investigation. If it comes up clean, and Biden really is the winner, then good for him, but the winner, regardless of who it is, needs to win fairly
 
Question. Why don't polling places across the US use that "Real ID" to ID voters?

Drivers licenses and State IDs? You mean the drivers licenses and state IDs that more and more jurisdictions provide regardless of whether a person is a citizen or not?
A big argument against ID requirement is the cost somehow disenfranchises older/poorer people. Although prices likely vary from state to state, Michigan charges $10 for a state ID card and waives it for those 65 and older, disabled, and other limited circumstances. A real-compliant state ID is $30 ($20 for those eligible for a free standard ID card).

Given how many ordinary events require ID: bank transactions, opening a PO box, doctor visits, etc. that require photo ID, I'm simply not sold that "ID == disenfranchisement" unless some sort of voter-specific ID was being mandated at a substantial cost to citizens.

As for the second part of that statement, Detroit -- who I believe is a sanctuary city -- is in fact issuing city Id cards to illegal "undocumented" residents so they can get city services. Although it remains to be seen and proven, I wonder how many have been able to use that ID to register to vote and get other services they shouldn't be able to under existing laws.

The same thing has happened in California, except turned up to 11 where I believe illegals are being allowed to vote in local elections for stuff such as school boards, mayors, etc. I wonder how stringently that's enforced if they attempt to vote for races that they shouldn't be voting for.

>Detroit elections, where 72% of absentee votes do not match registered voters
https://archive.md/1SSGK
@paint huffing shaman - I'm not sure if you're collecting any confirmed incidents or just ones related to the November election. This particular story is from the August primary. This exact same issue was front and center in the 2016 elections when attempting the state's recount. Current Michigan law is such that any precinct whose ballot total doesn't match the number of entries in the poll book cannot be recounted. As I've mentioned before, this seems contradictory because these are the precincts that need a recount in an effort to determine the discrepancy and what the vote is for those ballots confirmed to be validly cast.

14,500 registered voters from Detroit, all over the age of 100
I wonder how many of those are improperly entered (or missing) birth dates and people who haven't been purged from the rolls that should be if it wasn't for claims of "muh suppression" when it comes to removing dead people or people that haven't voted at all in decades or more.

Take it with a grain of salt since it's an internet rando who might have made a mistake somewhere.
Is there any sort of statistical method to separate suspicious voting patterns from those votes who normally vote a split ticket or might vote for one particular candidate and vote for (or against) a party in the remaining positions?
 
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You know, you adding this part is what made me decide to negrate you. Being a jackass about getting ratings begets more ratings.

It doesn't really add anything to the conversation to mass downvote over a question, I asked if the fraud accusations will actually help trump, because if the fraud gets thrown out the dude is going to be laughed out of the Supreme Court.
 
You guys think the fraud is real or it's a

C O P E
A little from column A and a little from column B. I'm sure there's some fraud. Someone likely tries to get away with a little every election. However what we're seeing now is likely little signal and a lot of noise. People are coping by concluding there must be fraud and trying to find it. Unfortunately most people are doing it with no training or experience in detecting fraud. Worse, most of them are doing it with no training or experience in helping run a polling station or helping count votes. Much less any knowledge of how each state goes about it's counting process, handles problems with ballots, or goes about releasing preliminary data, or even taking into considering that it is preliminary data and thus more vulnerable to typos than the final certified count. Worse still they're doing so without much in the way of critical thinking or verifying claims.

So the result is that on one hand, they'd finding some of the more sketchy and ramshackle parts of the election system. Purging voters from the rolls being a touchy issue no one really likes to push and get done, means that clerical errors can make it look like the dead voted when the reality is that it was a kid of theirs with the same name who voted. States using real but ridiculously old years as placeholders when a real date of birth is unavailable for one reason or another makes it look like hundreds or thousands of people who couldn't possibly be alive are on voting roles and are active. Popular voting systems have concerning ties to politicians people are uncomfortable with. Stuff that's sketchy and really should be fixed, but isn't actual examples of fraud.

On the other hand, they're coming out with dubious or outright dumb shit as well. Like the sharpie thing in Arizona. People ran with that one without stopping to ask: 1) Does bleed through even matter for the ballot or is it one sided? If it's double-sided is there even any problematic overlap in the bubbles? 2) What is their real procedure for handling ballots that cannot be properly read by the machine? Do they really not just count them manually? 3) If this is such a problem, why didn't the Republican poll watchers who have been there the entire time raise objections? And similar critical thinking questions. Or touting Benford's Law claiming it proves that the democrats are committing fraud. When they probably don't understand the math, only heard about it for the first time when someone claimed it proves fraud, and it takes very little checking to reveal people have done studies in the past to see if it could be used to detect election fraud, and it came up lacking due to a tendency to produce false positives for elections. The last likely being the reason why it's not already wildly used by political campaigns and by news organizations. Or people watching video or even livestreams of the election workers at work counting, not understanding what's going on, and leaping to "committing fraud" as the explanation, even if poll watchers are present in the video.

And so on and so forth. So to put it simply, people are finding weaknesses in the system, but not actual evidence that fraud was successfully committed. They might stumble across a few actual instances of fraud, but most of it is making mountains out of molehills.
 
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A little from column A and a little from column B. I'm sure there's some fraud. Someone likely tries to get away with a little every election. However what we're seeing now is likely little signal and a lot of noise. People are coping by concluding there must be fraud and trying to find it. Unfortunately most people are doing it with no training or experience in detecting fraud. Worse, most of them are doing it with no training or experience in helping run a polling station or helping count votes. Much less any knowledge of how each state goes about it's counting process, handles problems with ballots, or goes about releasing preliminary data, or even taking into considering that it is preliminary data and thus more vulnerable to typos than the final certified count. Worse still they're doing so without much in the way of critical thinking or verifying claims.

So the result is that on one hand, they'd finding some of the more sketchy and ramshackle parts of the election system. Purging voters from the rolls being a touchy issue no one really likes to push and get done, means that clerical errors can make it look like the dead voted when the reality is that it was a kid of theirs with the same name who voted. States using real but ridiculously old years as placeholders when a real date of birth is unavailable for one reason or another makes it look like hundreds or thousands of people who couldn't possibly be alive are on voting roles and are active. Popular voting systems have concerning ties to politicians people are uncomfortable with. Stuff that's sketchy and really should be fixed, but isn't actual examples of fraud.

On the other hand, they're coming out with dubious or outright dumb shit as well. Like the sharpie thing in Arizona. People ran with that one without stopping to ask: 1) Does bleed through even matter for the ballot or is it one sided? If it's double-sided is there even any problematic overlap in the bubbles? 2) What is their real procedure for handling ballots that cannot be properly read by the machine? Do they really not just count them manually? 3) If this is such a problem, why didn't the Republican poll watchers who have been there the entire time raise objections? And similar critical thinking questions. Or touting Benford's Law claiming it proves that the democrats are committing fraud. When they probably don't understand the math, only heard about it for the first time when someone claimed it proves fraud, and it takes very little checking to reveal people have done studies in the past to see if it could be used to detect election fraud, and it came up lacking due to a tendency to produce false positives for elections. The last likely being the reason why it's not already wildly used by political campaigns and by news organizations. Or people watching video or even livestreams of the election workers at work counting, not understanding what's going on, and leaping to "committing fraud" as the explanation, even if poll watchers are present in the video.

And so on and so forth. So to put it simply, people are finding weaknesses in the system, but not actual evidence that fraud was successfully committed. They might stumble across a few actual instances of fraud, but most of it is making mountains out of molehills.
The difference is just how many statistical abnormalities have popped up this election. If you were a tax accountant for the IRS looking into records that had anywhere near as many oddities you'd be ringing up your bosses saying you snagged a potential tax cheat. Is there actual fraud at work or just weird things happening? Who knows, but as the Dems have been saying about Trump for four years, where there's smoke, there's fire.
 
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Every single major swing state uses the Dominion election software.

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Nancy Pelosi has ties to it.
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The headquarters of Dominion Voting Systems is in Canada, for some reason.
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The Dominion system violated Benford's law in 2016 with Hillary Clinton's votes in Wisconsin.

People are digging for more info on Dominion.
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They found nothing conclusive so far, but it's interesting regardless. Weaponized autism is a thing of beauty.


In other news, Wikipedia changed the definition of Benford's law on November 5 to make people stop asking questions.
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the Clinton foundation is tied to it as well

The DELIAN Project: Democracy through Technology​

Commitment by​


DELIAN Project
In 2014, Dominion Voting committed to providing emerging and post-conflict democracies with access to voting technology through its philanthropic support to the DELIAN Project, as many emerging democracies suffer from post-electoral violence due to the delay in the publishing of election results. Over the next three years, Dominion Voting will support election technology pilots with donated Automated Voting Machines (AVM), providing an improved electoral process, and therefore safer elections. As a large number of election staff are women, there will be an emphasis on training women, who will be the first to benefit from the skills transfer training and use of AVMs. It is estimated that 100 women will directly benefit from election technology skills training per pilot election
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A little from column A and a little from column B. I'm sure there's some fraud. Someone likely tries to get away with a little every election. However what we're seeing now is likely little signal and a lot of noise. People are coping by concluding there must be fraud and trying to find it. Unfortunately most people are doing it with no training or experience in detecting fraud. Worse, most of them are doing it with no training or experience in helping run a polling station or helping count votes. Much less any knowledge of how each state goes about it's counting process, handles problems with ballots, or goes about releasing preliminary data, or even taking into considering that it is preliminary data and thus more vulnerable to typos than the final certified count. Worse still they're doing so without much in the way of critical thinking or verifying claims.

So the result is that on one hand, they'd finding some of the more sketchy and ramshackle parts of the election system. Purging voters from the rolls being a touchy issue no one really likes to push and get done, means that clerical errors can make it look like the dead voted when the reality is that it was a kid of theirs with the same name who voted. States using real but ridiculously old years as placeholders when a real date of birth is unavailable for one reason or another makes it look like hundreds or thousands of people who couldn't possibly be alive are on voting roles and are active. Popular voting systems have concerning ties to politicians people are uncomfortable with. Stuff that's sketchy and really should be fixed, but isn't actual examples of fraud.

On the other hand, they're coming out with dubious or outright dumb shit as well. Like the sharpie thing in Arizona. People ran with that one without stopping to ask: 1) Does bleed through even matter for the ballot or is it one sided? If it's double-sided is there even any problematic overlap in the bubbles? 2) What is their real procedure for handling ballots that cannot be properly read by the machine? Do they really not just count them manually? 3) If this is such a problem, why didn't the Republican poll watchers who have been there the entire time raise objections? And similar critical thinking questions. Or touting Benford's Law claiming it proves that the democrats are committing fraud. When they probably don't understand the math, only heard about it for the first time when someone claimed it proves fraud, and it takes very little checking to reveal people have done studies in the past to see if it could be used to detect election fraud, and it came up lacking due to a tendency to produce false positives for elections. The last likely being the reason why it's not already wildly used by political campaigns and by news organizations. Or people watching video or even livestreams of the election workers at work counting, not understanding what's going on, and leaping to "committing fraud" as the explanation, even if poll watchers are present in the video.

And so on and so forth. So to put it simply, people are finding weaknesses in the system, but not actual evidence that fraud was successfully committed. They might stumble across a few actual instances of fraud, but most of it is making mountains out of molehills.

You I really love this place. I think its healthy to have opposing views butt heads with eachother. It helps prevent echo chambers. Even if @Dyn comes off as troll sometimes. Everything you say is rather true. We have over 3,000 counties in the US. Each doing things their way. I am sure some methods work better than others and having a diverse ecosystem most likely makes wide spread fraud harder.

This dominion software is concerning

But looking how the media handled hunters laptop. How they talk to trump vs biden how they are told to not talk about "allegations of election fraud" Makes me think something it up.

Last election I knew before 11 PM on the day of, but its take us how long to get the results? Also they dont want observers? what the fucking hell. We shoulda had observers from other fucking countries watching this shit. (to prevent trump from cheating).

But again thank you for making a good clear counter point to all this.
 
Sorry for being autistic because I already posted this in other threads, but someone at Fivethirtyeight claims that "There are also counter examples where Trump’s line shoots up suddenly when a favorable batch of results are reported". Is this true?

 
The difference is just how many statistical abnormalities have popped up this election. If you were a tax accountant for the IRS looking into records that had anywhere near as many oddities you'd be ringing up your bosses saying you snagged a potential tax cheat. Is there actual fraud at work or just weird things happening? Who knows, but as the Dems have been saying about Trump for four years, where there's smoke, there's fire.
Don't even pretend we don't all know this is a total mass fraud operation, we have heard nothing about how much the votes needed to be mailed in, about how the counters need to be socially distanced, counts were "stopped" except when they piled in hundreds of thousands of votes stacked in Thieving Joes favor. This shit is blatant, overt and they'll do it again, you will never have another election again if this isn't solved, immediately.
 
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