2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[The Last Stand]

At the rate Nevada is going, you could probably read the entire unabridged version of Les Miserables before they finish counting

What's going to happen sooner:

Nevada count or the second stimulus check?

 

[Nathan Higgers]

@RandomTwitterGuy go home and sleep, you're autistic

Sir, you're talking to a 'literally an engineer'. Please show some respect or else.

 

[Maamtis]

A thought that vastly amuses me is that win or lose TDS sufferers are getting at least 4 more years of Trump. Either as President or campaigning to retake the White House. In the latter scenario if he is successful they'll get an extra 4 years on top of that. Lucky them!

 

[CrippleThreat]

We really need voting reform ...

First step would be to eliminate electronic voting and counting. Make EVERYTHING on paper and counted meticulously by actual people with a bipartisan group of spectators and judges.

An Irishman who has seen the collapse since forever would be glad to bestow upon you a clock for this rhetoric.

Also consider this: In the three states that Trump lost, mail in ballots are electronically counted. They aren't checked by hand. What if the software is completely fucked and glitched out. And by denying anything, you keep this glitched software in circulation. What if it is voting error on a massive scale? What happens if your candidate will be a victim to it?

The integrity of the United States Election system isn't my 'feelings'. And I am using critical thought. This is the equivalent of someone saying a guy's wife is missing, but the husband says she's just on vacation. The husband also bought a lot of household cleaners and the house is spic and span. The wife and husband also had marital problems. There's no PROOF he murdered his wife, but there's enough to investigate.

And I am using critical thought. You're the one plugging your ears screaming. I'm saying we do everything in our power to validate this election.

And most of are reasonably cool with this if Joe won and we weren't coughing from the fumes of those glitching machines in swing states because there is a lot of smoke.

Most of us thought that anything could happen, with some thinking that Drumpf was going into this ready to be dropped on his fat orange ass. But he was killing it until 4AM on a fateful early November morning, when someone said fuck the usual statistical curves, and Joe's blue staircase/hockey stick started to be built. You can't just look at that artifical and super linear growth and tell me, "It's legit, doods!"

I'll make one different take though; this is not fraud. This is a can of worms that obviously should never have been open. Joe should have never been dragged out this far, nor should Trump have been impeached to push Joe out of retirement.

Let's keep the glow LARPs out, as well as the doomer migration trolling and realize that while this is the best site on the web, Kiwi Farms, best site on the web, this is Deep Thoughts. Postulate the consequences for all angles of this mess, if there were angles instead of straight lines. It's a better use of time than saying Biden and Drimp suck.

tl;dr: something something Dr. Ron Paul something something

 

[Aidan]

The USSR could also curbstomp anyone who went against the state. But fall it did, and very quickly.

I think this is something people struggle to grasp. Any country as big as the US can fall apart pretty quickly and when the US falls, shit is going to hit the fan for a lot of other countries.

They know they'll find more fraud. And turn even redder after it's corrected.



Honestly having elections handled at the state level has to be the worst idea the founding fathers had. I get it, you want states to be autonomous. But if you ask me what a country needs to be a country it'd be:

1-an army.
2-a voting law.
3-a national treasury.
4-a bill of rights.

Hell even the army you could argue could be handled partially by the states so long as the higherups are handled by feds, and while a nation needs a single national treasury it's not weird for regional governments to have their own treasuries dependent on it.

But if you let regional governments dictate their voting law, that's just asking for election interference, the states can't be trusted with that shit any more than they're to be trusted not to enslave people. Regional governments are by enlarge manned by people who know they can get away with shit by blaming it on the feds. If they CAN get away with corrupt bullshit, then by god they WILL get away with corrupt bullshit. Handing them the keys to change election results is just plain stupid.

For the record this is NOT criticicing the EC, just the different ways to count votes. Having regional "circumscripciones" (the spanish term for the EC) is very common, but there's a huge difference between counting votes by region, and counting votes using different ways for every region. The first one ensures rural areas will be heard, the second ensures corrupt regions will interfere.

I disagree. The US federal government has expanded its own power way beyond what the founding fathers likely ever expected and it's already been caught doing shady stuff depending on who's in power. Let's say a single party gains Congress, SCOTUS and the presidency - they'd probably want to maintain that power.
Neither system will ever be perfect and it's probably down to personal views.

I'm biased against the feds more than ever at this point and think the less they're involved in, the better.

 

[Kane Lives]

A thought that vastly amuses me is that win or lose TDS sufferers are getting at least 4 more years of Trump. Either as President or campaigning to retake the White House. In the latter scenario if he is successful they'll get an extra 4 years on top of that. Lucky them!

As much as I admire the man's energy, I don't think he has it in the tank for another 8 years of this hellish marathon. Nor would I want to, in his shoes.

He made some very powerful enemies, and I'm willing to bet he'll be spending the rest of his life under a perpetual cloud of investigations, lawsuits and other bureaucratic shenanigans that they can muster.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

At the rate Nevada is going, you could probably read the entire unabridged version of Les Miserables before they finish counting

To use an expression from Cadiz, "It's taking longer than building the Cathedral." And I'd imagine for similar reasons. Namely when the Bishop of Seville heard Cadiz's Cathedral was gonna be larger than the sevillian he threw a massive fit and literally made a law stating no Andalusian cathedral could be bigger than his. (And after they corrected that it had to be slowed down again due to war, then it got razed by the portuguese, then the danes, etc... Point is, I'm fairly sure the Dems are making it slower because they can't find a way to keep it while also not being ultra obvious about the cheating now that all eyes are on them, and they got orders to ensure it doesn't flip red. Much like how redesigning the Cathedral took ages because they had already built the main room but now had orders to fit the rest in a maximum area that simply didn't allow for everything a Cathedral should have with a main room that large.) (Also for anyone wondering, by the end it took 160 years to finish building that blasted cathedral, mostly because of all of the aforementioned razing and rebuilding going on.)

 

[The Last Stand]

We really need voting reform ...

First step would be to eliminate electronic voting and counting. Make EVERYTHING on paper and counted meticulously by actual people with a bipartisan group of spectators and judges.

Who wants to put up with paper ballots again?

 

[Gehenna]

Who wants to put up with paper ballots again?

People who want a clear paper trail for their elections.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

Also, I just realized, Justice Alito said something about this shitshow. This is definitely going to SCOTUS and there's a good chance that by pointing out all this fuckery in all these key swing states, things are shifting in Trump's favor.

Who wants to put up with paper ballots again?

Anyone that doesn't want multi-national globalist billionaires to turn our constitutional republic into a banana republic.

 

[Ita Mori]

Suffice it to say, I was called a boot-licker. We don't have productive arguments.

You're a bootlicker for not kissing the media-approved, Chinese approved, establishment ring???

Sense, what's that?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

A thought that vastly amuses me is that win or lose TDS sufferers are getting at least 4 more years of Trump. Either as President or campaigning to retake the White House. In the latter scenario if he is successful they'll get an extra 4 years on top of that. Lucky them!

Nah, DJT is too old to stress himself like that. DJT Jr however is young and feisty enough to match dad and then some.

He's also hawt and will get the thot vote.

 

[Kane Lives]

Nah, DJT is too old to stress himself like that. DJT Jr however is young and feisty enough to match dad and then some.

He's also hawt and will get the thot vote.

Do you guys really want another political dynasty though? Not that anyone can stop that; these things run in the family for a reason. (Takes a certain set of personality traits, circumstance and good old fashioned nepotism.)

 

[The Last Stand]

From Twitter: In Pennsylvania, 104 People Voted at the age of 120 and 182 people voted are 105 or older.
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Biden is so popular, even the DEAD support him!

 

[Secret Asshole]

Just a thought:

How come the Democrats aren't trying to counter this with demanding investigation of states where Trump won?

Because they cheated there too

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

One of people I frequently talk to keeps asking me why I'm so adamant in my belief that Joe Biden didn't win, and we've been at this 'stage' for awhile where no amount of actual evidence will persuade them because they'll slap it to the floor before they so much as look at the first paragraph or the first pixel, so we have a dynamic that's boiled itself down to "common sense arguments" because they refuse to look at anything I present, and I can't quit laughing whenever they pull up Snopes or VICE.

Setting aside all of the videos and pictures and Benford's laws and hockey stick graphs, the argument reduced all the way down to, "I do not legitimately believe that Joe Biden won the election, because his ability to win the election makes no historical or mathematical sense." Joe Biden, thus-far, is nearly at 75,000,000 votes, and through sheer numbers this means that he's performed extraordinarily well in every single demographic. Trump did better as a percentage of these demographics and in comparison to his 2016 election, but Biden would have performed better in total.

This would make Joe Biden the most electable man in the history of the United States. He will have outperformed every single candidate in the history of this country, despite the fact that a very large portion of the DNC hates him (Bernie's camp), the Conservatives and no small portion of the Independents either hate or strongly dislike him (Essentially 50%-60% of America), and he has an enthusiasm threshold so low that it can't be measured. Hate or dislike for a candidate from someone's own political party depresses turnout. They don't generally go out and protest vote or "settle for" the nominee, they just sit it out. Despite that, he's inexplicably broken the trend and broken every record.

You could argue that's due in part to Trump's unpopularity, so this a massive swell of protest votes against him. Oddly, they didn't make that argument, but it would be a good counter-point. I don't buy it, though. If Trump was considerably unpopular, he would not have received almost ten million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. His support base grew, it did not shrink. Barack Obama was solidly unpopular to the Conservatives and some moderates in his second election and he still performed very well. George Bush was thoroughly demonized by the media and the Democratic party, he'd gotten us into and maintained several wars, and he'd passed incredibly unpopular legislation like the Patriot Act, but he still wasn't toppled by a massive swell of protest votes. Despite a significant amount of disdain and a fairly unappealing opponent, the both of them went on to win by comfortable margins.

The only two states in the Republic that have very stringent laws to prevent fraud using absentee and mail-in ballots are Ohio (Thanks to 2004) and Florida (2000). These are the only two states that immediately swung for Trump and locked in, and he won them by very comfortable margins. I think that this would have been the case for most states in the Union, and this is why those other states that Joe Biden needed inexplicably locked down almost immediately after the counting started, and stopped counting entirely. I think they saw the gap widening, knew they had to close it, but the margin between the two was so wide that by the time they closed it, the results became absurd.

That's why the numbers don't make any sense. That's why all the graphs are fucked up, that's why Trump's support base grew in every demographic and he received almost ten million new supporters and yet it still looks like he's somehow lagging behind by an unreasonably large margin Every part of his support base grew, and yet he's still behind. I don't buy it. That makes absolutely no sense and it's in defiance of every single electoral pattern in history. I think that they were trying to crush him into a concession on the night of the election or shove so far ahead of him that it went beyond the threshold that allows for a recount, but they completely underestimated how well Trump was going to perform, so as they kept forcibly closing the gap, the 'fix' spun wildly out of control.

Suffice it to say, I was called a boot-licker. We don't have productive arguments.

Basically, never believe your own propaganda, a maxim liberals never seem to follow

 

[CrippleThreat]

Do you guys really want another political dynasty though?

I think it's another way to own the libs , by putting other Trump in office.

Not that anyone can stop that; these things run in the family for a reason. (Takes a certain set of personality traits, circumstance and good old fashioned nepotism.)

Lol 2016 will be my favorite outlier to this. God bless DJT.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Do you guys really want another political dynasty though? Not that anyone can stop that; these things run in the family for a reason. (Takes a certain set of personality traits, circumstance and good old fashioned nepotism.)

No, I really don't. But the alternative is so bad I'm willing to accept it in this instance.

 

[MrJokerRager]

If nothing else, this mess has gone a long way in highlighting the potential problems in the US voting system as it stands.

Win or lose, Trump's belligerent behaviour brought this to light that no one else has the power (or willingness) to.

I believe the democrats did not expect GEOTUS to hold a press conference after midnight basically calling the election results bullshit and stated his strong determination to go nuclear by going before the Supreme Court of the United States of America with his case that there is voter fraud and corruption happening. He rattled everyone in the country and world with that speech. People in Australia or Chad be like voter fraud, wtf he talking about in a place like America. Liberals were super shocked that he actually went there and tried to call those allegations racist. However I am pretty sure even niggers agree with Trump that those urban shitholes are full of political corruption.

Then doubles down two days later. And then decides to declare victory in Pennsylvania before any of news networks did.

The establishment fucks really believed that Trump would not have to balls to talk about what is going on.

Although timeline wise, I know the mystery Biden boost was after Biden's election night speech telling people to go to sleep. Was it before or after the midnight presser by Trump.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

I believe the democrats did not expect GEOTUS to hold a press conference after midnight basically calling the election results bullshit and stated his strong determination to go nuclear by going before the Supreme Court of the United States of America with his case that there is voter fraud and corruption happening. He rattled everyone in the country and world with that speech. People in Australia or Chad be like voter fraud, wtf he talking about in a place like America. Liberals were super shocked that he actually went there and tried to call those allegations racist. However I am pretty sure even niggers agree with Trump that those urban shitholes are full of political corruption.

Then doubles down two days later. And then decides to declare victory in Pennsylvania before any of news networks did.

The establishment fucks really believed that Trump would not have to balls to talk about what is going on.

Although timeline wise, I know the mystery Biden boost was after Biden's election night speech telling people to go to sleep. Was it before or after the midnight presser by Trump.

It was around midnight, 4 hours before the bullshit dumps of fraudulent mail in ballots in Wisconsin and Michigan. The Biden speech that is.