US Instances of Voter Fraud (Megathread?) - Probably a good idea to have a thread on this given how often it's discussed and will continue to be discussed even after November.

Is mail in voting autistic?


  • Total voters
    92
  • Poll closed .
What I am getting at isn't so much the what but rather the how. The conduct of Trump at this very moment is shameful and the behaviour of many of his supporters online and offline is very reminiscent of the "I'm with her" crowd 4 years ago. This grasping at straws was pathetic when it was them 4 years ago. It is pathetic now. That's all that I am saying.
I haven't seen any video of Trumpers screaming NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!! or making HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US livestreams like what we saw 4 years ago. What I'm seeing is mostly disappointment and distrust in the establishment, not irrational chimping. Yeah, there's some embarrassing stuff happening, but it's not really comparable.
 
I haven't seen any video of Trumpers screaming NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!! or making HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US livestreams like what we saw 4 years ago. What I'm seeing is mostly disappointment and distrust in the establishment, not irrational chimping. Yeah, there's some embarrassing stuff happening, but it's not really comparable.
Hordes of salty morons chanting "stop the count" is pretty embarassing in my eyes and not far off from "He will not divide us". Again: We're looking at only a few days of this shit, the true extend in all its glory will emerge over the coming weeks and months. Maybe it will be a lot less severe than the utterly ridiculous level of bullshit that libtards put on display 4 years ago, but we already see stuff that is not far off.
 
Another article of note:

Pennsylvania mailman says he was ordered to collect late ballots (which were then backdated)​

sauce: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/7/pennsylvania-mailman-says-he-was-ordered-collect-l/
archive: https://archive.li/pVuzD

A Pennsylvania mailman has said in a sworn affidavit that he was ordered by supervisors to collect and submit late ballots, which he said supervisors then backdated so that they appeared to have been mailed in time.

Richard Hopkins, who works in Erie, said he overheard a supervisor talking about the backdating operation, and letter carriers were told to pick up ballots through Friday, even though under Pennsylvania’s current rules ballots were supposed to have been mailed by Tuesday, though they could be delivered to election officials through Friday and still be counted.

“Postmaster Rob Weisenbach directed my co-workers and I to pick up ballots after Election Day and provide them to him,” Mr. Hopkins said in an affidavit. “As discussed more fully below, I heard Weisenbach tell a supervisor at my office that Weisenbach was back-dating the postmarks on the ballots to make it appear as though the ballots had been collected on November 3, 2020 despite them in fact being collected on November 4 and possibly later.”

The affidavit was provided to the Trump campaign and released by Sen. Lindsey Graham, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who vowed a probe.

“Mr. Hopkins is entitled to all whistleblower protections, and I will ensure they extend to other postal workers who may come forward with claims of [irregularities], misconduct, fraud, etc.,” the South Carolina Republican said.

A postal services spokeswoman said they became aware of the allegations on Friday.
“They were immediately referred to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Office of Inspector General, and the matter remains under investigation,” the spokeswoman said.
News organizations earlier Saturday had projected Democratic nominee Joseph R. Biden would win the state’s electoral votes, which they projected would make him the winner of the election.
President Trump disputed that projection.
Pennsylvania has been at the center of much of the wrangling over voting this year.
The state adopted much more lenient mail ballot provisions, including a Supreme Court ruling that allowed ballots to be counted if they were received by election officials up to three days after Election Day. They were supposed to have been postmarked by election day to count.
Mr. Graham said the new accusation by the mailman highlighted flaws with the rush to adopt mail voting.
“The expanded use of mail-in voting is making the post office the administrator of elections, not the local election officials. This change in mission requires there to be further scrutiny to ensure the system is beyond reproach,” he said.
 
1604876683585.jpg

Is Dominion really the name of the voting software?
 
The list of confirmed oopsies continues to grow:
AMERICA.png

The vote counting software was, once again, Dominion. Some info regarding GEMS, which owns Dominion:
Untitled.png
Untitled.png


Excellent article about voter fraud from 2012:
The spread of computerized voting has carried with it an enormous potential for electronic skulduggery. In 2003, Bev Harris, a citizen sleuth and the author of Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century, made a shocking and game-changing discovery: Diebold, then one of the primary manufacturers of voting machines, had left the 40,000 files that made up its Global Election Management System (GEMS) on a publicly accessible website, entirely unprotected.

Diebold was never able to explain how its proprietary tabulation program ended up in such an exposed position. Harris downloaded the files, and programmers worldwide pounced, probing the code for weaknesses. The wall of secrecy, said Harris, began to crumble.
GEMS turned out to be a vote rigger's dream. According to Harris' analysis, it could be hacked, remotely or on-site, using any off-the-shelf version of Microsoft Access, and password protection was missing for supervisor functions. Not only could multiple users gain access to the system after only one had logged in, but unencrypted audit logs allowed any trace of vote rigging to be wiped from the record.
It calls GEMS a vote rigger's dream, among other things.
 
Last edited:
Last edited:
Last edited:
Is it legal there? To vote if you used to live in the state but moved?
You can vote in the state that you most recently registered to vote in. So if the people that moved didn't register to vote in thier new state then, they could go back and vote in their old one. You aren't allowed to be registered to vote in two different states and are not allowed to vote in two different states for the same election.
 
The list of confirmed oopsies continues to grow:
View attachment 1717198

The vote counting software was, once again, Dominion. Some info regarding GEMS, which owns Dominion:
View attachment 1717203
View attachment 1717208


Excellent article about voter fraud from 2012:

It calls GEMS a vote rigger's dream, among other things.
Fucking hell, how did I forget about http://www.blackboxvoting.org ? Bev Harris is OG, she's been at this for 20 years. This is her twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/BevHarrisWrites

Unfortunately it looks like the website is a bit out of date.
 
Think of it as cheating scum versus all Americans.
This is part of the reason why I'd like to see Trump request a recount in Michigan. Even if there's no chance of the final result changing, I'd still want to know many precincts in Detroit -- if not other Democratic strongholds or the entire state -- can't be recounted because of the ongoing issues where the number of voters recorded in the poll book doesn't equal the number of votes being cast. If this is still an issue even with Federal monitors being sent to Detroit last week, what does it say for election integrity in Detroit and as a whole when not even Federal oversight can prevent Election Day shenanigans?

I think someone previously made a comment about replacing Detroit's city clerk. As bad as she may be, some of the candidates running against her in recent elections for that position haven't been much better and made Clerk Winfrey look like the far superior candidate. It's hard to vote somebody out of office when all of the opposing candidates wouldn't be an improvement.

Is it legal there? To vote if you used to live in the state but moved?
The actual rules might be state-specific...
You can vote in the state that you most recently registered to vote in. So if the people that moved didn't register to vote in thier new state then, they could go back and vote in their old one. You aren't allowed to be registered in two different states and are not allowed to vote in two different states.
ICBW, but I believe some (if not all) states may have a window of x number of days where someone that falls within that window can still vote absentee in their former state provided they haven't yet registered in their new state.

@WhimsicalTrolli's post reminds me of two things I find frustrating/annoying with social media right now:
  • FaceBook, if not other platforms, seems to be appending a link to live/current election news to any post that discusses anything remotely related to politics or the election.
  • Platforms such as Twitter have taken it upon themselves to decide what election-related posts are and aren't "disputed" which is quite :story: given their liberal biases when it comes to enforcing TOS.
 
Last edited:
@WhimsicalTrolli's post reminds me of two things I find frustrating/annoying with social media right now:
  • FaceBook, if not other platforms, seems to be appending a link to live/current election news to any post that discusses anything remotely related to politics or the election.
  • Platforms such as Twitter have taken it upon themselves to decide what election-related posts are and aren't "disputed" which is quite :story: given their liberal biases when it comes to enforcing TOS.


You're talking about the guy who "debunked" voter fraud.
 
Pretty thorough summary of all the fraud and recounts, sorry for the fb link

 
New video that allegedly contains recorded audio of Detroit poll workers going over how to commit fraud.


1. "process challenged ballots as regular ballots to be counted"

Wow ominous music - this must be fraud! The audio is literally describing standard procedure for Provisional votes where photo ID with address has been provided and it's been confirmed they haven't registered elsewhere. They're issued an Affidavit ballot. I've attached the Provisional Ballot Form for Michigan. You can see the procedure delineated for "if you answered YES to Question 3". They vote as normal and their ballot is put in the tabulator, then the envelope and form is placed in the Provisional Ballot Storage Envelope to keep a record for later accountability. Nothing described is something new and nefarious happening in 2020. She's describing "this time" for the Mr. Stark example, likely referring to one example of a type of provisional voter.

As this website summarizes: "If the voter has a picture ID, issue the voter an affidavit ballot, which will be inserted into the tabulator. If the voter does not have a picture ID, issue a ballot and instruct the voter to place the voted ballot inside the Provisional Ballot Form envelope. Once complete, seal the envelope, and return the sealed envelope to the election inspector. The election inspector places the Provisional Ballot Form envelope inside the Provisional Ballot Storage Envelope for delivery to the clerk. Do not place the Provisional Ballot Storage Envelope in the ballot container."

Saying "all challenged ballots WILL be counted immediately on Election Night" by tabulator is a total misunderstanding of election law and the training instructions. You need to have photo ID for your provisional ballot to be put into the tabulator.


2. "allow anyone with an easily forged piece of paper to vote"

They don't just blindly follow instructions of whatever piece of paper they're handed. As it says, first, they must search the ePollbook. This will find if they've voted anywhere else already. If a voter is unlisted, they need to contact the clerk's office to verify voter registration. The youtube video conveniently cut off the bottom of that sample clerk's office registration receipt, which you can view in full here. It has on it an "application to vote" number, which is entered as the voter ID. It has to match the clerk's office records, so that's not easily forged.

It's also incorrect to state that they can't be uncounted later, since the receipt that's kept on record has the ballot number recorded. If something is amiss later, the vote with that ballot number can be pulled from the tabulation.

I don't particularly like Michigan's policy of allowing people to vote in some capacity without ID, but this video isn't uncovering some conspiracy with forgery on the part of voters and fraud on the part of election workers.


Trump's team has identified 9,000 Nevada ballots cast by people who don't live in the state
View attachment 1717457
View attachment 1717458
Is it legal there? To vote if you used to live in the state but moved?

This isn't quite the smoking gun you'd hope:
The Nevada Republican Party has asked the Department of Justice to investigate its allegation that thousands of nonresidents cast ballots in the state.

“Our lawyers just sent a criminal referral to AG Barr regarding at least 3,062 instances of voter fraud,” the Nevada Republican Party said late Thursday night. The party said the voters “appear to have violated the law by casting ballots after they moved from NV.”

Clark County Registrar of Voters Joseph Gloria, however, said it is common for out-of-state voters to cast ballots, including those serving in the military, university students and elected officials serving in Washington, D.C.

"They provided us with a list and we'll have to look through that," Gloria said. "However, their (complaint) is based on something that happens regularly. You don't have to live here to be eligible to vote here." (USA Today)

Don't be sorry; be better! Use jdownloader2 and upload a saved copy of the video, like I did!

Plan B: or just find a copy of the video on youtube and link it:

This lady is clueless. She said for Arizona, "when it's within 1% there's an automatic recount as I understand it and/or a party can request a recount".

No, in Arizona it has to be within 0.1% for an automatic recount. Recount requests are not allowed (src). People can spout complete and utter nonsense with an authoritative voice like they're absolutely certain of what they're saying.

Don't pin your hopes on what she says lol

Not sure if this has been posted. Interesting data analysis.

Admittedly only skimmed the post, but there are two key points to keep in mind:
1) Florida, unlike other states, has grappled with absentee votes since 2004 and a bunch of laws to deal with them efficiently: namely, allowing officials to count them extra early before the election. That's why their results were completed so quickly. It also means that their absentee votes were pretty much all totalled up rather than being chunked and portioned like other states. So their data over time will look different.

2) It says that absentee ballots go through the postal system so you expect them to be shuffled like a deck of cards... but absentee votes are reported county-by-county, as you can see here. Some counties are more heavily Dem than others. If you're getting batches of absentee vote counts reporting from a single county at a time, you're going to see jumps in the D/R ratio vs. when they're averaged all together. And generally, the more populous regions (the ones with big cities) report later. And cities lean heavily Dem vs. rural. That's true even in Texas, which Trump won.
 

Attachments

Back