2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Comfyman said:
Sure it's not perfect but at least these systems tend to be long lasting and provide stability. The Holy Roman Empire lasted a thousand years, today we have politicians that mass import foreigners in order to win voters (if we're generous), changing their countries in ways that cannot be reversed without force.
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The HRE was an elective monarchy. 7 states within the empire (4 secular and 3 clergy) would vote on a new Emperor from all the states whenever the Emperor was deposed, stood down or died.

More importantly though the HRE was anything but stable.
 
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Gehenna said:
No, but also yes. The idea of a Democratic Monarchy is that the executive is not an elected position, but the legislature is. Ideally, and in theory, it balances out the worst of each with the best of each.
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I could have sworn that was the UK, but apparently the UK is a constitutional monarchy.
 
soy_king said:
The truly fascinating thing that's going on right now is that while we're all here arguing about whether the litigation will be successful or not, we really haven't heard a peep out of the Biden camp about these challenges, and they're generally acting like they're already planning their full transition down to a complete reupholstering. Do you think this is more that they're supremely confident that they've got this in the bag and don't even need to waste time to rebuff these litigation challenges, or are they maintaining this cloak of deception while they're secretly panicking/setting up their legal teams?
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The latter, definitely the latter.

Salubrious said:
I could have sworn that was the UK, but apparently the UK is a constitutional monarchy.
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The UK is actually a democracy in all but name as its monarchy has been divested of all actual power.
 
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Comfyman said:
Sure it's not perfect but at least these systems tend to be long lasting and provide stability. The Holy Roman Empire lasted a thousand years, today we have politicians that mass import foreigners in order to win voters (if we're generous), changing their countries in ways that cannot be reversed without force.
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Bruh the Roman's literally trained armies of foreigners to do their fighting for them, then were shocked when said foreigners turned against Rome
 
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HARDCORE SYNDROME said:
This is probably my biggest suspicion after all the fraud stuff.

Like Hawaii always being blue means an instant call at official poll closing time even though no results were published for like another 4-5 hours because of lazy ass locals waiting until the last minute, yet because Alaska is usually always red it somehow doesn't warrant the same response? Even though it was never a battleground state or close contest to begin with? Even though you've been doing this for how many or so elections? If you're so confident in Biden being president and Trump not catching up at this point just fucking call it already. What's so hard about that? oh wait
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And Alaska is red at similar margins to Hawaii's blueness.
draggs said:
They are only pushing Biden won bigots are making false claims so hard because they want the commie tantrums to be as destructive as possible when states get flipped by recounts/audits/court orders/legislatures
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So they're secretly on the side of the right?
 
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soy_king said:
The truly fascinating thing that's going on right now is that while we're all here arguing about whether the litigation will be successful or not, we really haven't heard a peep out of the Biden camp about these challenges, and they're generally acting like they're already planning their full transition down to a complete reupholstering. Do you think this is more that they're supremely confident that they've got this in the bag and don't even need to waste time to rebuff these litigation challenges, or are they maintaining this cloak of deception while they're secretly panicking/setting up their legal teams?
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I think they're trying to demoralize the Right into acceptance with the "Biden won, accept it" narrative, hoping it'll go away.

I hope their hubris does them in once again.
 
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soy_king said:
The truly fascinating thing that's going on right now is that while we're all here arguing about whether the litigation will be successful or not, we really haven't heard a peep out of the Biden camp about these challenges, and they're generally acting like they're already planning their full transition down to a complete reupholstering. Do you think this is more that they're supremely confident that they've got this in the bag and don't even need to waste time to rebuff these litigation challenges, or are they maintaining this cloak of deception while they're secretly panicking/setting up their legal teams?
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What do you think?
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God of Nothing said:
So a democracy in all but name?

It sounds like you all like monarchies because they sound cooler with a hint of prestige.
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With monarchies, more so that democratic republics, it seems like for every decent leader, you get between 5-10 bad to mediocre ones. Obviously, republics aren’t immune to this, but at least you don’t have to rely on family lines to find a suitable leader. Family lines seem to be the most screwed up part about monarchies due to close family marriages to maintain family lines and the reliance on producing heirs, it ends up getting crazy and very unstable (example: Spanish royal dynasties and the Hapsburgs).
 
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furūtsu said:
Something to note: even if the lid gets fully blown off and the fraud laid plain for all to see, plenty of Leftists (and not just career politicians but civilians too) will be perfectly fine with it. I’m willing to bet they aren’t nearly as dumb as they seem; anyone with a brain can see something’s not right here. I think this is more of a “the ends justify the means” rhetoric than anything else.

Even IF Trump takes this back, the Left will further demonize him and contend that fraud and MSM manipulation were necessary evils to dethrone Cheeto Hitler.

That’s how far gone they are now. They’ll sacrifice Democracy itself at the altar of Progress.
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With almost all "progressives" and "leftists" the idea of improving or "progressing" society is a lie they tell others and themselves. That is an excuse to enact changes which benefit themselves. They are literally grifters and parasites. They have no principles; they're perfectly happy appearing dumb or hypocritical; the ends justify the means. There is no reason to be principled with these people. "Don't become your enemy" is false advice. At the end of the day, the difference between you and someone like them is self interest, even if they're less honest about it.

"But you don't understand, if we just got rid of X people the world will be a better place."
 
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Wingnut said:
Back to the faithless electors point:

The Founding Fathers are either the smartest politicians in history, or they could time travel and knew what was going to happen. They made so many fail safes for corruption in the system it's beyond just impressive, it looks like they could see the future. It boggles my mind that they seemed to foresee all of these different ways of subverting and chipping away at the Constitution and put as many roadblocks as possible in the way.
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The Founders took political thought exercises very seriously. Their core concerns were (1) keeping the country together, and (2) preventing anyone from having too much power, and (3) reinforce #2 because there is always some dipshit who goes on a power trip and corrupts things for short-term gain.

I said it before this election, and it still holds true: mark down anyone who wants to get rid of the Electoral College and switch to popular vote. Those are people who are incapable of systemic thinking about politics. They should never be allowed to put together laws or institutions.

(Arguably #1.5 was to make sure the Constitution kept up with the underlying society who was living by it, and could change along with it. But we're 50 years into the leftists' project to break how the laws keep up with society, largely without the right being able to stop them. So maybe we can't call that a success for them right now.)
 
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soy_king said:
The truly fascinating thing that's going on right now is that while we're all here arguing about whether the litigation will be successful or not, we really haven't heard a peep out of the Biden camp about these challenges, and they're generally acting like they're already planning their full transition down to a complete reupholstering. Do you think this is more that they're supremely confident that they've got this in the bag and don't even need to waste time to rebuff these litigation challenges, or are they maintaining this cloak of deception while they're secretly panicking/setting up their legal teams?
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I think if they were supremely confident, they would be encouraging these lawsuits and claiming there's nothing to find, but I haven't seen much of that- more just pressuring Trump as much as they can to give up on his lawsuits and concede early, which comes across as desperate to me.
 
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