2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[InsolentGaylord]

Since doomers keep saying this. Is there a legit reason to think Trump is just full of shit and doesn't actually have evidence to prove Voter Fraud took place?

 

[Smarty Pants]

Since doomers keep saying this. Is there a legit reason to think Trump is just full of shit and doesn't actually have evidence to prove Voter Fraud took place?

Yes, everything Trump's team is talking about could be 100% hot air if they're unable to show the beef in court.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Since doomers keep saying this. Is there a legit reason to think Trump is just full of shit and doesn't actually have evidence to prove Voter Fraud took place?

No. There are pending court cases and in a few day's time, there will be even more pending court cases. Those court cases have piles of affidavits and affidavits, as Giuliani pointed out, are evidence.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Yes, everything Trump's team is talking about could be 100% hot air if they're unable to show the beef in court.

The issue is more whether it can be proven on a big enough scale for it to matter. The hope is that enough ballots get invalidated in recounts that a few swing states go to Trump.

 

[Gehenna]

Since doomers keep saying this. Is there a legit reason to think Trump is just full of shit and doesn't actually have evidence to prove Voter Fraud took place?

Depends how you define voter fraud.

Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had the democratic apparatus just outright ignore their own laws.

From there.... welp, there is a lot of smoke but no smoking gun that has been shown publicly. There is enough to say that the election follows absolutely no electoral norms ever, and is deeply anomalous though.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

The issue is more whether it can be proven on a big enough scale for it to matter. The hope is that enough ballots get invalidated in recounts that a few swing states go to Trump.

If the GOP can get the votes after the vertical line thrown out, they'll win in WI, PA and MI

 

[Secret Asshole]

Just want to do a State ROUND-UP. As of November 10th year of our lord 2020, 7333 AM arranged by percentage.

In AZ, Biden leads by 12,813 votes or 0.3%.

In GA, Biden leads by 12,651 votes or 0.3%.

In WI, Biden leads by 20,540 or 0.7%

In PA, Biden leads by 47,566 or 0.8%

In NV, Biden leads by 36,726 or 2.7%

In MI, Biden leads by 146,123 or 2.7%

Current states not called: AZ, PA and GA.

If everything stays the same, Trump needs to win PA, GA and AZ. There is no need to flip other states.

If Trump flips AZ, same deal. He must win PA and GA.

If Trump flips GA, he must win PA and AZ.

If Trump flips WI, he must win PA and GA. He can lose AZ.

If Trump flips PA, he must win GA and AZ.

If Trump flips NV, he needs PA, GA and AZ. He needs all three to win.

If Trump flips MI, he needs PA and either AZ or GA, or just AZ AND GA.

Nightmare scenario: Biden wins PA & GA, Trump flips MI, AZ and WI. 269-269 tie. I gives this a 0.1% shot.

Lastly, if Trump loses PA, he needs GA and AZ, and flip MI and WI. This is the least likely scenario to play out, because he'd need to win 2 states and flip 2 states. Reversing 4 states is absolutely crazy. I mean, yeah, stranger things have happened. I only picture this scenario if people in the DNC are going to federal pound me in the ass prison and the Democratic bagmen are all thrown in the can or someone talks. And even in that scenario, he'd probably win PA anyway. Only way he wins 2 and flips 2 is massive evidence of fraud. Concrete evidence. Video, computer records, e-mails, witnesses who flipped, etc. This will likely throw the entire election system into absolute chaos. I give this a 0.01% chance.

Currently, I do not believe there was a 'mass conspiracy' for voter fraud. This whole thing is basically a stand-alone complex, where a bunch of Democratic machines had the same idea and did different things to swing the election in their favor. So it is EXCEEDINGLY unlikely this occurs.

Assumptions

1) Trump wins NC
2) Trump wins AK

Obviously if Trump loses NC, the election is over. Biden hits 274 and that's all she wrote. So there is no possible win, even if he flips and wins everything else, if Trump loses NC. I'd have fucking the most fanatic Republicans deployed in NC so there are no shenanigans. Because if he challenges that, it is a longer long shot. If Trump loses NC, I don't think he'll be able to convince the court to flip anything else or flip NC back. So if NC goes, that's it.

That being said, I gave him NC because I think its unlikely he will lose it. He leads in NC by 73,294 votes or 1.4%. Biden would need 73k more votes, and I think that is nearly impossible given the state is 97% counted.

This map also relies on the fact Trump is only going to initially flip or win one state, which I think is the likeliest scenario out of all the unlikely ones. I'm not doing combinations otherwise I'd be here for ten fucking hours.

These numbers are also based on RCP's numbers. I used RCP because it believes calling the election for Biden was a huge mistake. Which I agree with. Fuck all the others.

Analysis

You'll probably notice a single common denominator: PA. Trump must win PA. If he doesn't, he only has one path and that is to flip/win 4 states, which will not happen. If he loses PA and people say "BUT HE CAN STILL WIN GUYZ" then I'll pull out the copium, because you're high if you think that will happen. I mean it might. But the aliens might beam me up tomorrow and let me have a gangbang with Asari. So this analysis assumes he prevails in PA, because otherwise its a loss, no matter how much fuckery was going on elsewhere. And no, VA is not in play. And the PA win must be a SCOTUS win, since it has to be not appealable.

So, assuming Trump wins PA, his most likely path to victory is to win AZ and GA. This is because the margins are so fucking small, just 0.3%. This is the clearest path. Its also the easiest path. Because these states are uncalled, there's no clear victor in them. I think if Trump wins PA, he wins the election. Because these margins are razor thin, if you account for failure rates and recounts and Republican legislatures stomping out, it will be a simple matter since mail-in ballots are trash.

So, Trump needs a SCOTUS PA victory, which is why they're focusing all their time on it. Its going to go to SCOTUS, so any speculation is moot, barring some massive evidence they find. And even then, Biden will appeal. SCOTUS is on hold because they want the counting to finish, they're not going to disenfranchise people.

He wins SCOTUS, and puts pressure on GA and AZ and you have Trump's second term. I think even with fraud, NV is a waste of fucking time. Its not worth the effort to flip. It is only useful as a reference to point out the stand-alone complex, that fraud was occurring all over the place.

So, in my humble opinion: The earlier lawsuits getting tossed don't really mean much. PA is, literally, the keystone. There's no real copium yet as I can see. I predicted a Biden win and mostly hate the progressive left, not for any love of Trump. So the copium memes are just to shitpost at this point.

As for doomer, well, if he loses PA, then you go full doomer. Because then the election is over. And then people can start posting copium memes being right and shitposting at the same time. So until we get a definitive answer out of PA, there's no reason to go nuts. Its still in limbo, no matter how much that Alzheimer ridden faggot protests otherwise.

The media has been thoroughly irresponsible by calling the election. It isn't shocking. They're losing the trust and by proxy, power. So being the arbiter of choosing the president, they retain it. As long as PA is in question, you cannot call this election. So should you be a doomer about his chances in PA or optimistic? Well, that's up to you really.

Just keep in mind: This is 20 fucking 20. Probably the most absurd and terrible year I've ever experienced. Not to mention Trump seemingly has the luck of the devil.

For me, I genuinely have no idea. Everything reasonable and normal and predictable is pretty much dead. Republicans usually 'lose with dignity' and the party united behind him. Dems just immediately started stabbing each other in the back. Biden wants the election certified with uncalled states. States flouting the US Supreme court....its been fucking insane. So I don't know where this is going to go. I think it is very likely that Biden will win. Under normal circumstances. But under these circumstances? Who the fuck knows. I'm sticking to my guns and still predicting a Biden win with the assumption that it will return to normal. But the my heart and the writer in my says Trump. Because Kavanaugh and Thomas making Harris and Biden eat shit is hysterical. Trump winning destroys the media and big tech, even if he doesn't. It would be insanity. Utter fucking Chaos. And I really, really want that.

Biden will be the elites strangling everything, neo-liberal bullshit as usual. Trump will be CHAOS REIGNS. I'm all for chaos.

 

[captkrisma]

The issue is more whether it can be proven on a big enough scale for it to matter. The hope is that enough ballots get invalidated in recounts that a few swing states go to Trump.

This. Recounts don't tend to actually go in favor of the person requesting the recount either. Last election Hillary requested Wisconsin and they managed to find 135 more votes for Trump.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

Just want to do a State ROUND-UP. As of November 10th year of our lord 2020, 7333 AM arranged by percentage.

In AZ, Biden leads by 12,813 votes or 0.3%.

In GA, Biden leads by 12,651 votes or 0.3%.

In WI, Biden leads by 20,540 or 0.7%

In PA, Biden leads by 47,566 or 0.8%

In NV, Biden leads by 36,726 or 2.7%

In MI, Biden leads by 146,123 or 2.7%

Current states not called: AZ, PA and GA.

If everything stays the same, Trump needs to win PA, GA and AZ. There is no need to flip other states.

If Trump flips AZ, same deal. He must win PA and GA.

If Trump flips GA, he must win PA and AZ.

If Trump flips WI, he must win PA and GA. He can lose AZ.

If Trump flips PA, he must win GA and AZ.

If Trump flips NV, he needs PA, GA and AZ. He needs all three to win.

If Trump flips MI, he needs PA and either AZ or GA, or just AZ AND GA.

Nightmare scenario: Biden wins PA & GA, Trump flips MI, AZ and WI. 269-269 tie. I gives this a 0.1% shot.

Lastly, if Trump loses PA, he needs GA and AZ, and flip MI and WI. This is the least likely scenario to play out, because he'd need to win 2 states and flip 2 states. Reversing 4 states is absolutely crazy. I mean, yeah, stranger things have happened. I only picture this scenario if people in the DNC are going to federal pound me in the ass prison and the Democratic bagmen are all thrown in the can or someone talks. And even in that scenario, he'd probably win PA anyway. Only way he wins 2 and flips 2 is massive evidence of fraud. Concrete evidence. Video, computer records, e-mails, witnesses who flipped, etc. This will likely throw the entire election system into absolute chaos. I give this a 0.01% chance.

Currently, I do not believe there was a 'mass conspiracy' for voter fraud. This whole thing is basically a stand-alone complex, where a bunch of Democratic machines had the same idea and did different things to swing the election in their favor. So it is EXCEEDINGLY unlikely this occurs.

Assumptions

1) Trump wins NC
2) Trump wins AK

Obviously if Trump loses NC, the election is over. Biden hits 274 and that's all she wrote. So there is no possible win, even if he flips and wins everything else, if Trump loses NC. I'd have fucking the most fanatic Republicans deployed in NC so there are no shenanigans. Because if he challenges that, it is a longer long shot. If Trump loses NC, I don't think he'll be able to convince the court to flip anything else or flip NC back. So if NC goes, that's it.

That being said, I gave him NC because I think its unlikely he will lose it. He leads in NC by 73,294 votes or 1.4%. Biden would need 73k more votes, and I think that is nearly impossible given the state is 97% counted.

This map also relies on the fact Trump is only going to initially flip or win one state, which I think is the likeliest scenario out of all the unlikely ones. I'm not doing combinations otherwise I'd be here for ten fucking hours.

These numbers are also based on RCP's numbers. I used RCP because it believes calling the election for Biden was a huge mistake. Which I agree with. Fuck all the others.

Analysis

You'll probably notice a single common denominator: PA. Trump must win PA. If he doesn't, he only has one path and that is to flip/win 4 states, which will not happen. If he loses PA and people say "BUT HE CAN STILL WIN GUYZ" then I'll pull out the copium, because you're high if you think that will happen. I mean it might. But the aliens might beam me up tomorrow and let me have a gangbang with Asari. So this analysis assumes he prevails in PA, because otherwise its a loss, no matter how much fuckery was going on elsewhere. And no, VA is not in play. And the PA win must be a SCOTUS win, since it has to be not appealable.

So, assuming Trump wins PA, his most likely path to victory is to win AZ and GA. This is because the margins are so fucking small, just 0.3%. This is the clearest path. Its also the easiest path. Because these states are uncalled, there's no clear victor in them. I think if Trump wins PA, he wins the election. Because these margins are razor thin, if you account for failure rates and recounts and Republican legislatures stomping out, it will be a simple matter since mail-in ballots are trash.

So, Trump needs a SCOTUS PA victory, which is why they're focusing all their time on it. Its going to go to SCOTUS, so any speculation is moot, barring some massive evidence they find. And even then, Biden will appeal. SCOTUS is on hold because they want the counting to finish, they're not going to disenfranchise people.

He wins SCOTUS, and puts pressure on GA and AZ and you have Trump's second term. I think even with fraud, NV is a waste of fucking time. Its not worth the effort to flip. It is only useful as a reference to point out the stand-alone complex, that fraud was occurring all over the place.

So, in my humble opinion: The earlier lawsuits getting tossed don't really mean much. PA is, literally, the keystone. There's no real copium yet as I can see. I predicted a Biden win and mostly hate the progressive left, not for any love of Trump. So the copium memes are just to shitpost at this point.

As for doomer, well, if he loses PA, then you go full doomer. Because then the election is over. And then people can start posting copium memes being right and shitposting at the same time. So until we get a definitive answer out of PA, there's no reason to go nuts. Its still in limbo, no matter how much that Alzheimer ridden faggot protests otherwise.

The media has been thoroughly irresponsible by calling the election. It isn't shocking. They're losing the trust and by proxy, power. So being the arbiter of choosing the president, they retain it. As long as PA is in question, you cannot call this election. So should you be a doomer about his chances in PA or optimistic? Well, that's up to you really.

Just keep in mind: This is 20 fucking 20. Probably the most absurd and terrible year I've ever experienced. Not to mention Trump seemingly has the luck of the devil.

For me, I genuinely have no idea. Everything reasonable and normal and predictable is pretty much dead. Republicans usually 'lose with dignity' and the party united behind him. Dems just immediately started stabbing each other in the back. Biden wants the election certified with uncalled states. States flouting the US Supreme court....its been fucking insane. So I don't know where this is going to go. I think it is very likely that Biden will win. Under normal circumstances. But under these circumstances? Who the fuck knows. I'm sticking to my guns and still predicting a Biden win with the assumption that it will return to normal. But the my heart and the writer in my says Trump. Because Kavanaugh and Thomas making Harris and Biden eat shit is hysterical. Trump winning destroys the media and big tech, even if he doesn't. It would be insanity. Utter fucking Chaos. And I really, really want that.

Biden will be the elites strangling everything, neo-liberal bullshit as usual. Trump will be CHAOS REIGNS. I'm all for chaos.

PA is interesting since there the state Supreme Court did something illegal prior to the election that resulted in this chaos with the ballots. I've heard they could default to flipping to Trump if this gets contested by the SCOTUS.

 

[jje100010001]

Why would they pretend to care about western ideals? They're literally eastern with millennia of their own philosophy.

IMO Eastern philosophy is not necessarily incompatible with western ideals (I.e. Taiwan, Japan), but the CCP is fundamentally anti-democractic, and deals with the world on a nakedly transactionally corporatist basis, and we know how this has a negative impact on democracies.

As much of the modern world order was built around Western ideals (in theory), when they attempt to ursurp Western institutions like the UN which were founded based on those Western ideals, it often leads to a far worse corruption of those organizations, beyond what the West can muster- we can already see this with the WHO and the OHCHR.

 

[Corn Flakes]

This. Recounts don't tend to actually go in favor of the person requesting the recount either. Last election Hillary requested Wisconsin and they managed to find 135 more votes for Trump.

The Democrat fraud machine hadn't been activated anywhere near as intensely in 2016 as it did in 2020, though. That's the scary thing about these elections: we have nothing to reference, the circumstances of these elections (technology, polarization, brazen demagoguery) have put us in pretty much completely uncharted waters.

 

[Kane Lives]

IMO Eastern philosophy is not necessarily incompatible with western ideals (I.e. Taiwan, Japan), but the CCP is fundamentally anti-democractic, and deals with the world on a largely monetary basis- and we know how this has a negative impact on democracies.

As much of the modern world order was built around Western ideals (in theory), when they attempt to ursurp Western institutions like the UN which were founded based on those Western ideals, it often leads to a far worse corruption of those organizations, beyond what the West can muster- we can already see this with the WHO and the OHCHR.

I will reiterate what @Gehenna had said earlier, the CCP are fundamentally not rooted in eastern philosophy. Absolutely not. They might have left the days of Cultural Revolution behind, but they're still built on communist roots. While there have been signs that they're slowly but surely reverting to traditional Chinese thinking, it is still dressed in terms of the Party and the Revolution. A pale imitation of the traditions of eld. IMO, there can be no full revival of traditional Chinese thinking in the mainland without the CCP being toppled first.

I'd point to Taiwan or Singapore as how a modern Chinese polity would run, had it managed to stave off Mao's forces. I do agree that the Oriental way of thinking is agreeable with modern Western democracies, if usually much, much more collectivist than a Westerner would be comfortable with.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

China will be a better world leader than America in every single way. No Chinaman ever called me a white supremacist.

Were you sleeping your way through the entire Corona pandemic?! My god I lost count how many chinamen were raving on all news site about how any and all criticism of their government's handling of the virus was muh racism and screaming for gibs 'cause muh huite supremacy making people not wanna buy our cheap garbage anymore.

 

[awoo]

It's over bros, but no fraud happened.
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Hilarious everytime Twitter or reddit tards call for general strike and nationwide marches and it never happens

 

[Smarty Pants]

Were you sleeping your way through the entire Corona pandemic?! My god I lost count how many chinamen were raving on all news site about how any and all criticism of their government's handling of the virus was muh racism and screaming for gibs 'cause muh huite supremacy making people not wanna buy our cheap garbage anymore.

In China's defense, they were trying to destroy the West with the Corona thing.

IMO Eastern philosophy is not necessarily incompatible with western ideals (I.e. Taiwan, Japan), but the CCP is fundamentally anti-democractic, and deals with the world on a nakedly transactionally corporatist basis, and we know how this has a negative impact on democracies.

As much of the modern world order was built around Western ideals (in theory), when they attempt to ursurp Western institutions like the UN which were founded based on those Western ideals, it often leads to a far worse corruption of those organizations, beyond what the West can muster- we can already see this with the WHO and the OHCHR.

Dude there's no such thing as Western Ideals. Western Civilization existed long before the Enlightenment, which was our gayest episode. Just say Enlightenment ideals.

 

[Irritable Bowel Syndrome]

Only Americans could see widescale systematic election fraud committed by mostly white people and decide the Chinese are their greatest threat.

 

[AnOminous]

So if (and yes unlikely but indulge me) a court of original jurisdiction rules in Trump's favour does that settle it assuming no appeals? Does the lower court have the power to pass an order of that magnitude? How jarring would the narrative shift be if it was Biden and the DNC going for certiorari if a circuit court finds in favour of Trump?

It's up to states how they allocate their electoral votes, based on state law, subject to federal protections such as the equal protection clause, which was the basis for Bush v. Gore. I could see them stepping in in an unambiguous situation in one state but I seriously doubt you're going to see them go on some rampage of overturning multiple states. Now if state supreme courts themselves strike down their state's ballot count, I also don't see them intervening in the other direction.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Biden will be the elites strangling everything, neo-liberal bullshit as usual. Trump will be CHAOS REIGNS. I'm all for chaos.

I'm too lazy to dig up the source but I remember someone saying of 2016 "No matter who wins it's the apocalypse but if Hillary wins the apocalypse will be cold and gray, like The Road. If Trump wins the apocalypse will have flame-throwing guitars, like Mad Max : Fury Road"

 

[AnOminous]

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Were you sleeping your way through the entire Corona pandemic?! My god I lost count how many chinamen were raving on all news site about how any and all criticism of their government's handling of the virus was muh racism and screaming for gibs 'cause muh huite supremacy making people not wanna buy our cheap garbage anymore.

Chicoms literally pay semi-retarded trolls pennies to post dumb gibberish all day long, like the trolling equivalent of gold farmers. Fuck the Chinese.

 

[Puerto Pollo]

My only hope is that the SCOTUS will take in account that no matter what happens, half of America will feel like a coup d'etat just happened. I don't buy the idea that they won't rock the boat, it's inevitable that someone will have to swallow the blackpill. It doesn't have to be the GOP by default, especially considering they are the ones with the most to lose. The DNC will survive this and more simply out of media brainwashing.

I'd be more worried about having Trump going apeshit and releasing to the public every last bit of juicy deep state secrets, and we know there's an awful lot of them.