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I'll say it a million times. Keeping Lizzy's last name and art is purely because of petty spite and to make it so Lizzy can never be free of the association
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Lily also said that she refused to change the puppet because it cost $150. (Canadian, I assume, so that's, like... twelve bucks.)
Meanwhile she filmed herself hurling their engagement ring into a river instead of pawning it off so I'm pretty sure it wasn't a matter of money. It's definitely a control thing. Lily is going to hold on to that puppet as long as possible not because it associates her with Lizzy, but it forces Lizzy to remain associated with her. She thinks she's holding it over Lizzy.
Also, yeah, Mikaila's art sucks and she's simply too inconsistent, even at her best, to make puppet poses.
Also, full disclosure, there are two chapters in this story so far. I read the first one, started the second one, and decided it wasn't really worth it. Maybe some day I'll read it, but given the issues with Lily's story are so pervasive to all of her works, I doubt I'm going to find anything of interest there.
This particular story is one that was brought up briefly in the thread before-- in the past, Anevay was just a gentle waif whose cruel, greedy mother effectively sold her to another family in pursuit of money (this entire premise is terrible). With days before the wedding, Anevay finally steels herself to escape from her family, fleeing to Windrunner Village with the aid of Ranger Kalira Sundreamer. She is sent to mee with Sylvanas, who gives her an out from her arranged marriage by offering to teach her the ways of a Ranger.
At first I intended to give this the same treatment TSR has been getting in this thread, but as I was going through I realized that there was simultaneously too much and too little to talk about. Then I considered making more of a breakdown, but realized that the vast majority of my concerns are just the same damn problems Lily always has with her writing and it all felt really redundant
However, there is something I want to bring up that isn't quite as pervasive in her other works, and I thought it was... telling, to say the least.
Big ol' Writing Spergout under the tag.
Meanwhile she filmed herself hurling their engagement ring into a river instead of pawning it off so I'm pretty sure it wasn't a matter of money. It's definitely a control thing. Lily is going to hold on to that puppet as long as possible not because it associates her with Lizzy, but it forces Lizzy to remain associated with her. She thinks she's holding it over Lizzy.
Also, yeah, Mikaila's art sucks and she's simply too inconsistent, even at her best, to make puppet poses.
This was a couple of pages and several days ago, but I wanted to have a look at this. For anybody curious, the story can be found here, archived here. I don't really recommend wasting your time on it, but there you go.
Also, full disclosure, there are two chapters in this story so far. I read the first one, started the second one, and decided it wasn't really worth it. Maybe some day I'll read it, but given the issues with Lily's story are so pervasive to all of her works, I doubt I'm going to find anything of interest there.
This particular story is one that was brought up briefly in the thread before-- in the past, Anevay was just a gentle waif whose cruel, greedy mother effectively sold her to another family in pursuit of money (this entire premise is terrible). With days before the wedding, Anevay finally steels herself to escape from her family, fleeing to Windrunner Village with the aid of Ranger Kalira Sundreamer. She is sent to mee with Sylvanas, who gives her an out from her arranged marriage by offering to teach her the ways of a Ranger.
At first I intended to give this the same treatment TSR has been getting in this thread, but as I was going through I realized that there was simultaneously too much and too little to talk about. Then I considered making more of a breakdown, but realized that the vast majority of my concerns are just the same damn problems Lily always has with her writing and it all felt really redundant
However, there is something I want to bring up that isn't quite as pervasive in her other works, and I thought it was... telling, to say the least.
Big ol' Writing Spergout under the tag.
First thing, though, I want to reiterate that Lily's a bad writer. She is sadly not a bad writer in a fun way-- her writing at first blush looks competent enough. It's when you start reading that you really start noticing the little ticks, the things that are wrong. They're subtle enough that you don't really know why it's bothering you most of the time, but in conjunction with her other faults as a writer turn from a constant nagging to an 'ugh, really?'. Coupled with her story content being so nonexistent and repetitive, it creates a cocktail of boring-bad prose that's just a chore to read, aggravating to experience, and simply not fun.
For the sake of posterity (so to speak), I'll briefly run down the issues that are endemic to her works,:
So those are the Generic Issues with Lily's work, specific to this story.
The thing that stood out to me, however, is Lily's fixation on Anevay's gayness, and how she presents it.
She mentions pretty much right out the gate that Anevay doesn't want to marry Lyrin because she's gay, and she's known that she was gay since she was nine years old. Making this a blunt statement is utterly unnecessary because we're introduced to Anevay being gay when she stares out the window and watches to Rangers walk by. She admires their poise, their grace, their confidence... and their asses. The incident when she was nine that informed her that she liked women? She saw Sylvanas and thought she was so hot she couldn't look away until her mother slapped her back to her senses.
Throughout the entire story we're supposed to feel for Anevay's plight. Lily goes on about how desperate she was to escape. One might think that her fear -- which is so great that she considers marrying Lyrin to be the actual end of her life -- would propel her through events and dominate her thoughts when she tries to get away. Instead you have her distracted in the house by the swaying asses of the Rangers as they walk by (you'd think she'd be too scared and nervous, not drifting off distracted-- again, this is supposed to be hell on earth. It's hard to buy when she looks out the window and daydreams about banging an elf.) When she and her mother have their argument outside, one of the Rangers, Kalira Sundreamer, flits with her, touches her, runs her fingers under Anevay's chin, and when she leaves Anevay is so smitten that she can barely form coherent thoughts. "Pretty girl touch my face," indeed.
Then she flees her abusive mother. Anevay, a highly sheltered girl who ran so abruptly she didn't even bother finding her shoes, sidles into a place called Murder Row (which, being so meek and sheltered, she's familiar with) and goes into a seedy tavern. The tavern is described as having exotic dancers on top of the each of the tables (which I would think would make it hard to drink) and while Anevay is disgusted by the way the men are looking at them, she herself is turned on by the dancers and goes out of her way to mention it.
She leaves the tavern and runs into Kalira, and despite the fact that she's holding back tears explaining her awful situation and how she's trying to escape, she makes sure to keep mentioning how hot and pretty and super hot Kalira is (and Kalira, even in the process of trying to save this girl from her arranged marriage, keeps touching and flirting with her). They meet another elf who is also interested in Anevay -- and Anevay also finds quite attractive -- and they finally send her to Sylvanas who, naturally, gets Anevay wet all over again. Sylvanas kinda-sorta makes sense, since it was seeing Sylvanas that made Anevay realize she was gay and she's held a torch for the pretty Ranger General ever sense, but once more, even while discussing her terrible backstory, she keeps going out of her way to mention how stunningly beautiful Sylvanas is, describing her in dripping prose and having Anevay nearly too distracted by Sylvanas' beauty to concentrate on shit-talking her mother.
It's actually deeply uncomfortable. Can you imagine if Anevay were straight and she was just trembling internally every time she saw a handsome man? Or if the Ranger elf who keeps invading her space and feeling her up were male? The former would be reducing a female character to her basest instincts; the latter would be borderline sexual assault. But because it's all lesbians, it's totally fine. It actually made an earlier story snippet very funny in retrospect, where Anevay 'balks' at the idea of somebody saying that she's a degenerate because she loves Sylvanas, and says that 'It's not like I've slept with an entire tavern'. Maybe not in real time, but Anevay goes off on sexual fantasies about basically every woman she sees -- and this world, they all reciprocate, too -- making it less that she's a lesbian and more that she's a nymphomaniac with a psyco-sexual problem and desperately needs help.
Somebody earlier said that Lily writes her romances less like a lesbian and more like a horny man, and I'm going to have to agree. Look at a romance that's written by a man versus one that's written by a woman-- a male-written romance is usually about immediate attraction, a very quick route to the bedroom, and then external circumstances complicating their relationship. A female-written romance, meanwhile, is about the emotional build-up, working through internal issues and pressures, with sex and/or marriage as the culmination of the plot. This isn't universal, of course, and physical/sexual attraction plays a role, too, but female sexuality is more driven by psychological and emotional factors than male sexuality, which is largely physical. There are biological and anthropological reasons behind this, but suffice to say, yes. Lily writes her romances like a horny man.
For the sake of posterity (so to speak), I'll briefly run down the issues that are endemic to her works,:
- Telling instead of showing. I'm not the kind of person who thinks you must show everything -- there are times where telling is, in fact, preferable -- but there are certain things you shouldn't relegate to telling. These things are (1) your character's personality, and (2) the central conflict of your story. Anevay's entire motivation is that she wants to escape this arranged marriage, and Lily kinda-sorta tries to show how bad it is... but the opening scene doesn't really convey how horrible her situation is outside of yeah, it's an arranged marriage and that sucks, but... why? Her betrothed is kind of snarky and her mother is kind of a bitch, but Anevay isn't o cowed or horrified that she can't roll her eyes and mutter under her breath and backtalk everybody else involved. It's revealed at the end that apparently Lyrin has been gross to her since their marriage was arranged, but again... absolutely no evidence of that in the actual scene. He doesn't even send her a lascivious glance, and the way they talk implies that they haven't even seen Anevay in several years so when did he have a chance to be skeevy? We just have to take Anevay's flat statements later as evidence, even though Anevay herself didn't sell her situation or herself enough and it really comes across as her just being a brat instead of there being actual issues. And by 'being a brat' I mean she calls her fiancee 'a pig' and then, with exactly the same kind of emphsis, says "I dont' eve like men." And earlier implied that her main issue with him is that she wants to marry a pretty woman instead.
- Her internal logic is all messed up. She sets up this thing about arranged marriages without actually thinking through the mechanics of how arranged marriages work or why they would be happening. She says it's because her mother is greedy and just wants money, but that's a hell of a long con (apparently Anevay herself signed the contract when she was five -- because that makes sense -- and the marriage is only happening now that she's twenty, a fifteen-year lead time on whatever payment Mom is getting). Her betrothed is a hundred and seventy-two, so apparently he was also willing to wait fifteen years at that age in order to get married, his mother was willing to sign a marriage contract waiting that long to get him married when he's already that old, and Lily doesn't seem to realize that arranged marriages are a matter of inter-family politics and status. This then raises the question of why the other family would be willing to effectively buy Anevay-- the Darkflare household (and god, that's a stupid surname) doesn't seem to have any real social standing. Lily seemed to think the way nobility arranges these things just translates into selling child brides, which is a whole different problem, and obviously just used it as an excuse for giving Anevay a tragic backstory and an evil mother without actually thinking any of the logic through.
- Speaking of not doing that, there's a pretty hilarious thing where Enzaria (Anevay's mother) says that she's selling Anevay off so they can 'finally live comfortably'. Cut to Anevay locked in her room. On the THIRD FLOOR OF HER PARENTS' MANSION.
- There's no consistency. I've brought up how her dialogue keeps shifting from trying to affect a fantastic nobility vibe while also having the exact same characters use modern colloquialisms like 'hell' (which I assume makes perfect sense in Azeroth), 'drag your ass', 'don't fuck this up'. (The word 'gumption' gets dropped in the second chapter, because I guess Sylvanas is also an old-timey prospector.) Naturally this also applies to character personalities; Anevay is introduced as being very sheltered and meek, scared of her mother and the arranged marriage... yet still capable of rolling her eyes and muttering under her breath and bratty outbursts. She is absolutely supposed to come across as the epitome of innocence, where every good person she talks to is moved by how frail and desperate she is, but then she also gets to talk to Sylvanas and sneers about her situation instead of sounding afraid and desperate.
- There's also a cute thing where Anevay is described as basically never being allowed out of her house and described as 'thin' and 'frail', and yet somehow manages to walk-jog-run for ten straight hours -- explicitly taking no breaks and carrying no supplies -- in order to reach Windrunner Village. That said, I'm pretty sure this is entirely down to Lily's incompetence. She wanted to get Anevay from Point A to Point Lesbians as soon as possible and just didn't think about it. It wouldn't even be hard to just have a paragraph explaining how arduous the journey was, but nobody cares about consistency or even implying that your character had to overcome any kind of hardship,
shut up and look at the baby. This ties back in to Lily just not thinking through her settings and not bothering to keep anything consistent. - Lily has huge problems with pacing. She shot through the dinner scene that was supposed to establish Anevay's motivations, has her escape from her mother's iron-fisted rule in a paragraph, wastes time going to a tavern just so the tavern-keeper can point her to the Rangers that she already met, has them fawn over Anevay, and then finally gets to Sylvanas and spends half the conversation recapping everything that's already happened in the chapter just so Sylvanas can react to it. It was pretty slow going the first time, Lily. Didn't need to see you say it all over again. Really she could have cut off the entire front half of this chapter and just told the whole thing from Sylvanas' point of view-- of her opening the door and looking down at this exhausted, bedragged waif of a girl. It would've been a more affecting introduction to young Anevay, too-- not only would we see her downtrodden and innocent, and we wouldn't have her own internal thoughts to ruin the illusion. There's also a moment when the other Rangers send her off to Sylvanas; when anevay arrives, she's shocked to find that she's talking to Sylvanas. This on its own isn't terrible and it feels like it was supposed to be a reveal... except the audience already knows before the other two Rangers joked with each other about "Hey should we have told her we sent her to Sylvanas?" "Nah, it'll be a fun surprise." Way to ruin your own dramatic beat for the sake of ane extremely bad joke.
- All of the other characters revolve around Anevay. Anevay is just some rando, apparently from a low-born house, and when she has an argument with her mother two Ranger immediately stop their patrol in order to come over, threaten Anevay's mother, and then fawn and fret over Anevay for a few minutes before giving her a flirtatious wink and moving on. When Anevay runs into one of them later on, she drops everything she's doing to flirt with Anevay, then get angry on Anevay's behalf, then take her to an outfitter who also immediately stops everything she's doing to be aghast and horrified by the idea of an arranged marriage. Then Anevay makes it to Sylvanas, who drops everything she was doing to fret over her and become irrationally angry at the idea of her being forced into an arranged marriage. Everybody she runs into just revolves around Anevay, insists on caring for Anevay, call her cute and sweet (even Sylvanas, in the absolutely deranged statement of "She had a pretty face, no denying that, but her body would need work" in reference to training her as a Ranger. Why does Anevay having a pretty face have anything to do with her being a Ranger?) Never mind that, of course, Anevay is important enough that the Rangers didn't, say, let her hide int heir local base to keep her safe. They sent her straight to the head honcho, because a runaway who doesn't want to marry a stinky man is definitely going to be worth the General's time.
- And of course Sylvanas is horrified and scandalized by what's happened because apparently she's been working for decades to outlaw arranged marriages. This is done for no reason except to elevate Sylvanas and give her a totally unnecessary trait to make her an objectively good person while villifying the forces of Society that allows these kind of marriages in the first place (and of course villying her Enzaria in the process). This actually reminds me of something they did in the Legend of Korra comics, where they went out of their way to say that Sozin outlawed gay marriage. Why? Because he was evil. I believe Korra even has a line in response about how he was even more evil than she thought. Yeah, trying to take over the world and reduce his opposition to cinders was pretty bad, but he was also a homophobe? Now that's evil!
- Related to the above, but Lily's characters really have no agency, and therefore no responsibility. It's never their fault for something going wrong, and whatever their motives, the resolution is handled by somebody else. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a reactive versus proactive character, but Anevay has a motive -- escape the marriage -- and the only step she takes for herself in doing so is dropping off of her balcony. She doesn't even do something clever to jimmy open a door and then steel herself for the drop, she just has access to her balcony and drops. She runs to 'Murder Row' and is told by a tavern keeper to go find the Rangers. The Rangers attend to her immediate needs and then tell her to find Sylvanas. Then Sylvanas tells her to become a Ranger. Anevay just stumbles through this whole thing at the direction of everybody else, never actually using any skills or guile to get what she needs, and I doubt
- "This is far as I can take you, sadly," she lamented.
Her dialogue tags are kind of exhausting, but this one was delightful. Reminded me of good old '"Sorry," apologized Brom.'
So those are the Generic Issues with Lily's work, specific to this story.
The thing that stood out to me, however, is Lily's fixation on Anevay's gayness, and how she presents it.
She mentions pretty much right out the gate that Anevay doesn't want to marry Lyrin because she's gay, and she's known that she was gay since she was nine years old. Making this a blunt statement is utterly unnecessary because we're introduced to Anevay being gay when she stares out the window and watches to Rangers walk by. She admires their poise, their grace, their confidence... and their asses. The incident when she was nine that informed her that she liked women? She saw Sylvanas and thought she was so hot she couldn't look away until her mother slapped her back to her senses.
Throughout the entire story we're supposed to feel for Anevay's plight. Lily goes on about how desperate she was to escape. One might think that her fear -- which is so great that she considers marrying Lyrin to be the actual end of her life -- would propel her through events and dominate her thoughts when she tries to get away. Instead you have her distracted in the house by the swaying asses of the Rangers as they walk by (you'd think she'd be too scared and nervous, not drifting off distracted-- again, this is supposed to be hell on earth. It's hard to buy when she looks out the window and daydreams about banging an elf.) When she and her mother have their argument outside, one of the Rangers, Kalira Sundreamer, flits with her, touches her, runs her fingers under Anevay's chin, and when she leaves Anevay is so smitten that she can barely form coherent thoughts. "Pretty girl touch my face," indeed.
Then she flees her abusive mother. Anevay, a highly sheltered girl who ran so abruptly she didn't even bother finding her shoes, sidles into a place called Murder Row (which, being so meek and sheltered, she's familiar with) and goes into a seedy tavern. The tavern is described as having exotic dancers on top of the each of the tables (which I would think would make it hard to drink) and while Anevay is disgusted by the way the men are looking at them, she herself is turned on by the dancers and goes out of her way to mention it.
She leaves the tavern and runs into Kalira, and despite the fact that she's holding back tears explaining her awful situation and how she's trying to escape, she makes sure to keep mentioning how hot and pretty and super hot Kalira is (and Kalira, even in the process of trying to save this girl from her arranged marriage, keeps touching and flirting with her). They meet another elf who is also interested in Anevay -- and Anevay also finds quite attractive -- and they finally send her to Sylvanas who, naturally, gets Anevay wet all over again. Sylvanas kinda-sorta makes sense, since it was seeing Sylvanas that made Anevay realize she was gay and she's held a torch for the pretty Ranger General ever sense, but once more, even while discussing her terrible backstory, she keeps going out of her way to mention how stunningly beautiful Sylvanas is, describing her in dripping prose and having Anevay nearly too distracted by Sylvanas' beauty to concentrate on shit-talking her mother.
It's actually deeply uncomfortable. Can you imagine if Anevay were straight and she was just trembling internally every time she saw a handsome man? Or if the Ranger elf who keeps invading her space and feeling her up were male? The former would be reducing a female character to her basest instincts; the latter would be borderline sexual assault. But because it's all lesbians, it's totally fine. It actually made an earlier story snippet very funny in retrospect, where Anevay 'balks' at the idea of somebody saying that she's a degenerate because she loves Sylvanas, and says that 'It's not like I've slept with an entire tavern'. Maybe not in real time, but Anevay goes off on sexual fantasies about basically every woman she sees -- and this world, they all reciprocate, too -- making it less that she's a lesbian and more that she's a nymphomaniac with a psyco-sexual problem and desperately needs help.
Somebody earlier said that Lily writes her romances less like a lesbian and more like a horny man, and I'm going to have to agree. Look at a romance that's written by a man versus one that's written by a woman-- a male-written romance is usually about immediate attraction, a very quick route to the bedroom, and then external circumstances complicating their relationship. A female-written romance, meanwhile, is about the emotional build-up, working through internal issues and pressures, with sex and/or marriage as the culmination of the plot. This isn't universal, of course, and physical/sexual attraction plays a role, too, but female sexuality is more driven by psychological and emotional factors than male sexuality, which is largely physical. There are biological and anthropological reasons behind this, but suffice to say, yes. Lily writes her romances like a horny man.
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Both of them having the same last names is barely anything to me as people share last names constantly. it's just the fact she decided to not only have a pretty similar first name-Lizzy/Lily- like a letter apart pretty much- and still use her credits in the description/video etc because i want her to rot and burn! or.... something?
another reason why she keeps them cuz of her autism- autistc people HAAAATE change. It's why her art in her videos in general is the same.
She hasnt updated the movie silhouette thing she does in a few years by now- i'll give her this its the most creative way to vosually get around copyright but maybe she stole it from someone cuz she's known to do that in the past?
her puppet is the same and honestly, 150 dollars for a pupet of that quality? Either Lizzy was just genuinly undercharging herself as some artists do or lily didnt pay the artist the respectable amount cuz 'were girlfwends!' and just saved of lizzy.
Ive never understood having a partner/friend who you either undercharge/expect free art from or as an artist youtsellf, so willing to give out free art. Yes theyre your friends but as a friend you SHOULD realize this is a form of income so you pay them. unless its given as a gift cuz thats a thing? idk it's just doesnt rub me the right way that the person who's one of the most closest things to you in life-a partner- doesnt pay you for your work because 'were girlfriends'-Pay them you fucking swine!
its why i feel bad for Makaila as an artist. she's not paid, her art is being stunted cuz she's forced to release rushed shit- and because of the power dynamics of her being a fan of lily- she's more likely to comply to whatever lily says cuz 'well i look up to her, so she wouldnt WANT to do anything bad to me''
another reason why she keeps them cuz of her autism- autistc people HAAAATE change. It's why her art in her videos in general is the same.
She hasnt updated the movie silhouette thing she does in a few years by now- i'll give her this its the most creative way to vosually get around copyright but maybe she stole it from someone cuz she's known to do that in the past?
her puppet is the same and honestly, 150 dollars for a pupet of that quality? Either Lizzy was just genuinly undercharging herself as some artists do or lily didnt pay the artist the respectable amount cuz 'were girlfwends!' and just saved of lizzy.
Ive never understood having a partner/friend who you either undercharge/expect free art from or as an artist youtsellf, so willing to give out free art. Yes theyre your friends but as a friend you SHOULD realize this is a form of income so you pay them. unless its given as a gift cuz thats a thing? idk it's just doesnt rub me the right way that the person who's one of the most closest things to you in life-a partner- doesnt pay you for your work because 'were girlfriends'-Pay them you fucking swine!
its why i feel bad for Makaila as an artist. she's not paid, her art is being stunted cuz she's forced to release rushed shit- and because of the power dynamics of her being a fan of lily- she's more likely to comply to whatever lily says cuz 'well i look up to her, so she wouldnt WANT to do anything bad to me''
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Finally! This is so well written I thank you for going through the effort, it must've been hell.
Lily's writing is far from Sapphic. It's all about desire and how much the women want and long for each other sexually. Occasionally she'll write some 'cute' things but they're nothing more than puppy dog romance displays. Anevay's sexuality is especially wild, I forget what chapter it was but Anevay lost her virginity to 4 female rangers at once after telling her mom to fuck off, and that's the moment I knew I wanted someone to review the story deeper. It was just so out of nowhere. The statement 'she writes like a horny man' is beyond true and I've never seen a better example of it than "Running Away From Her".
Gay women IRL tend to be notorious for never making the first move and that leads to a lot of one-sided pining, especially since lesbians are also famously oblivious to other women's advances. Whenever one of Anevay's superiors overtly flirts with her it makes me snort because I've never met a gay woman who was that direct in the fact that they want to bang the other woman. The pacing is so bad it gives me whiplash and then gives me whiplash x2 when they go from flirting to serious military affairs in the blink of an eye. Truly I thank you for taking the time out of your day to review it!
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It always impresses me that people are capable of reading this type of shlock. This aint Sonichu or Tails Gets Trolled, there's no earnest wackiness to appreciate. I have to always give credit to you guys who are willing to bore yourselves for our entertainment.
It's even funnier to think of how shit a writer Jerry is when you consider how shit his criticisms are. According to Jerry, all writers are secretly writing thinly veiled metaphors for their own life and what they think is good. So, clearly, Jerry thinks the worst thing possible is having to spend time around people you don't wanna bang, and constantly gets distracted by women's asses in the middle of normal conversation, while slipping in shitty advances and violating their personal space. To the surprise of nobody.
Man, I wish he'd get out more. Can you imagine Jerry trying to have a conversation where he isn't in complete control? All those years of never leaving his house except to get dumped by his girlfriends really took their tolls on his mind.
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I forgot to say this in this post so I'm just going to do it here and now:
The biggest thing about Lily writing like a horny man shows me just how much she doesn't know what growing up as a gay woman is like. There are so many social norms between straight girls, such as being extremely flirtatious with each other, or "messing around" with each other, that are supposed to be completely platonic. Straight girls in college is what Lily writes when she writes her lesbian stories. There's no good way for me to really explain why girls relationships are so complex for being just friends other than just saying that they are and if you dont grow up as a girl then you wont really get it.
Gay women especially tend not to do those things just incase they out themselves and suddenly become the gross perverts among their friends. Lesbians especially are usually pretty shy and don't tend to automatically out themselves to every woman they meet by going "buhbuhbuh awooga" everytime they see a pair of tits. Its much more common for 2 girls to just be "very good friends" for years and sort of fall into a relationship that way. Its very uncommon for their relationships to start out of pure lust. This is what I meant earlier by gay girls are notorious for not making the first move. They'd rather just be very close platonic friends forever than come out and be straight with their feelings.
So seeing Lily write "good lesbian relationships" this way always throws me for a loop. Its extremely clear she doesnt understand female social norms at all. And i wouldnt expect her to either because i doubt she grew up with only female friends, and if she did i doubt they treated her the same way they treated each other.
When anevay is confronted by all these amazonian lesbians it reads nothing like what a gay womans fantasy would be because real girls would only ever act that way as a joke. I know I'm reading too much into it since clearly its just Lilys fetish and she writes every woman to be a straight mans fetishization of a lesbian but it gets me angry when she tries to play it off as thats what being a gay woman/growing up as a gay woman is like.
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in essence, Lily writes a lesbian romance as a male fantasy that just wants to turn everything into a porn parody and a sitcom skit
which is curious as Lily projects her own experiences,
does she really act like this or does she just fantasize about doing this?
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Both, no doubt about that.
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It is very convenient for an "Anon" to interpret a criticism made in this thread in the most absurd way, just so that Lily doesn’t address the way she writes women sexually harassing each other in her fanfics and selling as cute horny romance
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It is very convenient for an "Anon" to interpret a criticism made in this thread in the most absurd way, just so that Lily doesn’t address the way she writes women sexually harassing each other in her fanfics and selling as cute horny romance
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Now now, you don't really think someone whose sole exposure to women is through vidya and their own personal harem of barely-legal artists is ignorant to how lesbians actually behave, do you?
Don't be silly.
Don't be silly.
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Lily don't answer properly. Wow, what a joke.
I'm more worried about the other comments, so generic for me and the same level of toxicity of that main comment.
thebananaonion
kiwifarms.net
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Oooh and she used the word retarded.
Goodness lily, for being apart of the woke force you do love throwing around ableist slurs don't you?
Hasn't she done this in the past? I remember her using retarded or another 'ableist slur' in the past but cant find it.
I mean her relations with mental illness has never been the greatest- considering she thought of (mlp) do princesses dream of magic sheep as a depression metaphor even tho... it was luna coming to terms with her past self? Or Bonnie-just, in general, being autistic but she isnt cuz lily said so! or hell the fact lily clearly has trauma from gardevoir and the only way to deal with trauma is to gaslight your abuser into 'i could kill you at any moent' because that's healthy.
hell her 'thick/fat' rep was literally Hollywood fat- literally what Adel use to be and she wasn't even bad- and her fattest character was tooken out of the comic because.... lily shenanigans or something.
Idk i just find it strange how the screams for wokeness by trying to remove words like queer from the lexicon yet retard is ok?
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Ah yes because I didn't previously mention that. oh wait..
Just because she writes occasional cuddles or little displays of affection that doesn't negate the fact that Anevay's thought process is constantly hyper-sexual. It also doesn't negate the fact that she still doesn't write accurate lesbian romances. "mutual emotional support" is so funny to me to because is that supposed to make it good? That should be the least you put into a romance story. The characters have absolutely no chemistry outside of their sexuality. If Anevay wasn't a lesbian I would bet that would make the story better since we don't have to sit through the constant "buff lady hot lady" shit. Maybe I'd even Believe Anevay is somewhat an OK character because she wouldn't sleep her way through the ranks and into Sylvanas's arms. But she's a terrible character and its a slog to read even if the chapters are short.
"Your fanfics are fucking hilarious" Is the dead give away she wrote this anon ask if you ask me. Everyone on this thread so far has said that Anevays story is literally the worst to sit through and read. It would be a stretch to call it hilariously bad, because its not, its just boring.
Every once and while you'll go "what?" and that's about the most you'll ever stop to think about what she's written. Like when Anevay takes her beginners test to become a rookie ranger and she's actually so good that Sylvanas secretly signs her up for the ranger exam and Anevay passes on her first try. Or when Anevay goes directly to combat with the excuse "I don't want to be useless" but everyone is like "are you sure?? its very dangerous" and Anevay being the baddest bitch, is like "I can handle anything" and then she does because nothing ever goes wrong for her when it comes to being the best ranger under Sylvanas.
Half of it is just Anevay yells at her mother and then sleeps with 5 women. The other half is Anevay is so godly and amazing at being a ranger that she bests all other rangers that have been in the service for years because they just don't try as hard as she does. It's so bad but if you really didn't care about what you were reading/writing it would seem just like some 15 year olds mary-sue self insert/lesbian fetish, because that's exactly what Anevay is no matter how much Lily denies it.
Anyways she also posted this:
https://archive.md/OM9He
Believe me when I say I've almost never physically cringed that hard. I mean it- I- ow- what the actual fuck. Cut your damn nails what the fuck. eugh.
TheAmbiguousLurker
kiwifarms.net
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Bah, don't you know? Lilly doesn't believe in chemistry for writing romance, that's just tip toeing around!
I'm confused, does not cutting your nails have some cultural significance, or is it just Lilly trying to make not cutting your nails edgy instead of dumb?
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When you finger a girl you should cut your nails lest you cut her vagina. Its one of the least pleasant things you can experience. Imagine someone stuck a fishhook in your dick or some shit. Lesbians cut their nails to avoid this and to actually pleasure their partners.
I suppose one could say that all those asks come from a very autisticaly dedicated Anon that lurks this thread and spams Lily's ask box with the arguments made here.
But then I remember the incident just a few days ago when Lily said she was turning off Anon asks only to turn them back on to give a rebuttal to a criticism from this very thread via an Anon ask.
For me, that shot any lingering doubt I had that Lily didn't lurk here. I mean, shit Lily, you already spend God knows how long writing your fan-fics, editing your wiki's/ TV Tropes pages/ ect., policing your Youtube comments, streaming, maintaining a relationship, and she still finds time to add browsing Kiwifarms on top of that? Damn, it's a wonder how she makes time for her video's, though it would explain why her video editing and writing skills have barely improved over the course of her decade on the Internet. With everything else going on in her life, she probably doesn't have time to develop those skills.
Lily, because I know your reading this, take some advice: get off Kiwifarms, and do something else. Believe me, we are not worth your time. I know you constantly say that, but the fact that you keep coming back here and responding to every little criticism made here very much says otherwise. Seriously, Lily, there are better things you could be doing.
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Peak Jerry is bragging about how wholesome his lesbians are only to write about how indifferent and perpetually sexual said lesbians are to the point where they wouldn't care about cutting their partner's sex literally the same day. How touching and adorable.
You reference us once every, what, half a year? I would have thought that'd given you ample time to "snark" back, dumbass.
You reference us once every, what, half a year? I would have thought that'd given you ample time to "snark" back, dumbass.
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Heh, yeah, that could be it too.
I remember talking about this before though, Jerry was such an idiot that he paid $160 to legally change his last name while he was engaged to Lizzy, while he could have changed his last name for free after their marriage in a process that would have been completely reversible in the event of a split. Either he didn't know this was an option, or he loved Lizzy so much that he thought it'd be worth it to drop $160 to take her last name anyway, probably because he didn't forsee her breaking up with him. ...Or maybe Jerry was so delusional that he thought he lived in Quebec, where the naming rules are kinda finicky. But Nova Scotia isn't Quebec
Really casts doubt on the whole "I hated Lizzy so much, she was so abusive" thing, doesn't it?
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It's definitely a conclusion Lily came to after the fact. Her brain is incapable of accepting maybe she wasn't the best girlfriend, or maybe she was a little too emotionally needy, No...it was all Lizzy's fault. The whole time. Never really liked her anyways. Always getting jealous at me for flirting with literally every woman I can invite to my discord server, like what's up with that, right? Her refusal to accept my polyamorous lifestyle was totes abusive you guys.Heh, yeah, that could be it too.
I remember talking about this before though, Jerry was such an idiot that he paid $160 to legally change his last name while he was engaged to Lizzy, while he could have changed his last name for free after their marriage in a process that would have been completely reversible in the event of a split. Either he didn't know this was an option, or he loved Lizzy so much that he thought it'd be worth it to drop $160 to take her last name anyway, probably because he didn't forsee her breaking up with him. ...Or maybe Jerry was so delusional that he thought he lived in Quebec, where the naming rules are kinda finicky. But Nova Scotia isn't Quebec
Really casts doubt on the whole "I hated Lizzy so much, she was so abusive" thing, doesn't it?
Beyond even that, you don't try to marry someone you think might be abusive. You don't get heart-broken over being dumped by someone you thought was abusing you. Being out of that relationship should be a positive, but Lily can't stop mentioning her, or shoehorning her into her works. It's almost like she's still pining for Lizzy and hopes she comes crawling back so she doesn't have to marry Mikaila or something.