2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Gehenna said:
Of the Non Roberts judges (Fuck Roberts and his Judicial Deference bullshit), Alito and Gorsuch can be most convinced to joint he liberals when arguing for a realistic issue that the founders could not have considered or an issue which would impact individual rights, respectively. Breyer generally has sided with the right-wing of the bench when it can be argued that what is brought before the court would disenfranchise or harm public participation.

Alita and Gorsuch will hate the fraud, if it can be proven. Breyer is a toss-up but NOT to be counted out. It can be argued that massive fraud disenfranchises a LOT of people, the problem with him is he needs to be convinced fraud occurred as the other side of the argument is that overturning chunks of the vote is disfranchisement itself.

Thomas is almost certainly voting on the right here, Kagan and Sotomayor are rubber stamps for the left.

Roberts, as much as I hate him, isn't for sure going to vote for the left. As repugnant as I find Judicial Deference, it does make him more likely to side with the powers that be... the question is who he considers those powers to be.

Kavanaugh and Barrett are also question marks, Kavanaugh might vote for it because allowing fraud would impact -everything-, but he'd want the solution narrowly tailored which might give Trump a win without victory. Barrett theoretically is a lock in like Thomas, but I remain unconvinced until I know for a fact she will not recuse herself under pressure.
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Roberts will not vote for any decision that gives Trump a chance

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They could have video of Joe Presidente on the phone ordering more ballots delivered to the Philadelphia Convention Center at 3:30 AM November 4 and he still would vote against Trump because of his fear of the consequent left wing tantrums 'hurting the stature of court.' Funny how he never worries about hurting the stature of the court in the eyes of right wingers
 
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draggs said:
Roberts will not vote for any decision that gives Trump a chance

Not happening

They could have video of Joe Presidente on the phone ordering more ballots delivered to the Philadelphia Convention Center at 3:30 AM November 4 and he still would vote against Trump because of his fear of the consequent left wing tantrums 'hurting the stature of court.' Funny how he never worries about hurting the stature of the court in the eyes of right wingers
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Right wingers are toothless cucks, no reason to worry about them
 
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Gehenna said:
Of the Non Roberts judges (Fuck Roberts and his Judicial Deference bullshit), Alito and Gorsuch can be most convinced to join the liberals when arguing for a realistic issue that the founders could not have considered or an issue which would impact individual rights, respectively. Breyer generally has sided with the right-wing of the bench when it can be argued that what is brought before the court would disenfranchise or harm public participation.

Alita and Gorsuch will hate the fraud, if it can be proven. Breyer is a toss-up but NOT to be counted out. It can be argued that massive fraud disenfranchises a LOT of people, the problem with him is he needs to be convinced fraud occurred as the other side of the argument is that overturning chunks of the vote is disfranchisement itself.

Thomas is almost certainly voting on the right here, Kagan and Sotomayor are rubber stamps for the left.

Roberts, as much as I hate him, isn't for sure going to vote for the left. As repugnant as I find Judicial Deference, it does make him more likely to side with the powers that be... the question is who he considers those powers to be.

Kavanaugh and Barrett are also question marks, Kavanaugh might vote for it because allowing fraud would impact -everything-, but he'd want the solution narrowly tailored which might give Trump a win without victory. Barrett theoretically is a lock in like Thomas, but I remain unconvinced until I know for a fact she will not recuse herself under pressure.
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I doubt Barrett would recuse herself since the only time she did was because she was a new judge. If she did recuse herself here, then she'd have her legacy tarnished and not be taken seriously if she can't match up to the task and would look cowardly.
 
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Jarolleon said:
It's a wonder how we ever got out of that. Is it just one of those golden 1-in-a-million coincidences that we're letting slip by, as we return to the common condition of humanity?
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Common condition of subhumanoids, yes. As a nation becomes less white and culturally homogenous it slips further and further into degeneracy
 
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Jarolleon said:
It's a wonder how we ever got out of that. Is it just one of those golden 1-in-a-million coincidences that we're letting slip by, as we return to the common condition of humanity?
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The USA was never in South America to get out of it in the first place. Also South America is not the common condition of humanity. Most of humanity have never been there in their lives. I think you're confused.
 
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Gustav Schuchardt said:





Was there blood on the steps? That would be fucking awesome!

Disclaimer : My statement that it is 'awesome' applies only in Minecraft or in dream. It is my long-standing policy that enemies of the state may not have their hearts removed and thrown down pyramid steps in a bizarre neo Aztec ceremony except after due process seen over by the High Priest. We are after all one nation under Huitzilopochtli.
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What do you think that tree of liberty quote was about? The Aztecs just took the idea of sacrifice a little too literally.
 
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Jarolleon said:
What do you think that quote about the tree of liberty being watered was about? The Aztecs just took the idea of sacrifice a little too literally.
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Given the Aztecs were an absolute monarchy there wasn't a great deal of "liberty" going on there. The fact they farmed the Tlaxcalans and their other rivals for sacrifices rather than conquering or making peace with them was their undoing. It was easy enough for Cortes to convince the people the Aztecs had been bullying for decades to join up with him and depose them.

Machiavelli was right in saying that if an injury is to be done to a man, it must be so serious as to not fear reprisal.
 
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draggs said:
Roberts will not vote for any decision that gives Trump a chance

Not happening

They could have video of Joe Presidente on the phone ordering more ballots delivered to the Philadelphia Convention Center at 3:30 AM November 4 and he still would vote against Trump because of his fear of the consequent left wing tantrums 'hurting the stature of court.' Funny how he never worries about hurting the stature of the court in the eyes of right wingers
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You have case history to back this up? I know he hates Trump (as evidenced by his 'There are no such thing as Bush judges or Obama judges or Trump judges' comment) but didn't he vote for his travel ban?
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
Given the Aztecs were an absolute monarchy there wasn't a great deal of "liberty" going on there. The fact they farmed the Tlaxcalans and their other rivals for sacrifices rather than conquering or making peace with them was their undoing. It was easy enough for Cortes to convince the people the Aztecs had been bullying for decades to join up with him and depose them.

Machiavelli was right in saying that if an injury is to be done to a man, it must be so serious as to not fear reprisal.
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Yeah, they were god-awful no doubt about it, I meant their religion preyed on a similar idea and takes it absurdly literally.
Pointless Pedant said:
The USA was never in South America to get out of it in the first place. Also South America is not the common condition of humanity. Most of humanity have never been there in their lives. I think you're confused.
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I mean high levels of corruption in government. For most of history governments were glorified protection rackets with minimal accountability.
 
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Correct. The USA has vast swathes of arable farmland and is a major food exporter. In some hypothetical famine scenario they would just export a bit less.

I'd also point out that even flat out civil war would be mostly contested in cities, like this year's rioting was. The biggest battles in Iraq and Syria were urban warfare and sieges. Most farmland would be relatively unscathed, and since agriculture is an essential industry all sides would want to keep it running.
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Yes, communists are well known to keep farming running from Rhodesia to Ukraine and China.

Did you forget your thinking loicense?
 
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Truthboi said:
I doubt Barrett would recuse herself since the only time she did was because she was a new judge. If she did recuse herself here, then she'd have her legacy tarnished and not be taken seriously if she can't match up to the task and would look cowardly.
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2020 has disappointed me in so many ways, I am not assuming anything even vaguely rose scented until i have it in hand.
 
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Jarolleon said:
I mean high levels of corruption in government. For most of history governments were glorified protection rackets with minimal accountability.
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"Governments" as we see them now didn't exist at all. There were monarchs and their administrators, but power was relatively decentralised before modern communications made a centralised administration possible. Feudal kingdoms didn't even maintain professional armies, they just raised levies from their lords.
 
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Gehenna said:
2020 has disappointed me in so many ways, I am not assuming anything even vaguely rose scented until i have it in hand.
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As someone who believes that this is a hard battle to climb up, Barrett recusing herself is highly unrealistic because she'd have a bad image as a judge who can be easily intimidated to not look into a case and would set a bad precedent in the future if she looks over other cases.
 
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AnOminous said:
Yeah it's completely inconceivable the opponent of a President with the lowest approval rate in history actually got lots of votes.
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Your TDS and historical ignorance is showing, fren. Andrew Johnson was hated by everyone, including his own party. Trump is extremely divisive (I mean, he got you to vote for a war-mongering corporatist after all), but he is extremely popular with a lot of people. He gained more support from minorities than any republican in sixty years, after all.

This is also a reason the fraud pisses me off. The Democrats have fucked us over with Republicans, because they are now going to think it's poison to try and reach out to minorities, when it isn't. There's a stark difference between normal folk who happen to be darker, and hood rats, rez rats, etc. *sigh*
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
Correct. The USA has vast swathes of arable farmland and is a major food exporter. In some hypothetical famine scenario they would just export a bit less.

I'd also point out that even flat out civil war would be mostly contested in cities, like this year's rioting was. The biggest battles in Iraq and Syria were urban warfare and sieges. Most farmland would be relatively unscathed, and since agriculture is an essential industry all sides would want to keep it running.
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I mean it's not like the USSR starved their breadbasket to death as a form of genocide or anything.

In before muh guns
 
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