General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Mister O.]

Wait what? @Mister O. can you confirm ?

I don't understand enough Elite Nihongo to totally 100% confirm anything she said in her livestream, but I know Deluta said she's going on on a 3(?)-day vacation (which is why she did a bunch of recording work beforehand) and said something about having 5 people on said trip.

Also, yeah, I was listening to Polka's newest video live this morning and towards the end she got a little emotional and kept saying thank you and that she loves us (the fans), saying that sometimes life is hard and how much she appreciates the support. An aside to that, I really wish the girls would stop paying attention/egosurfing the 'chans; those autist, mad-at-the-world fucks don't do anyone any favors. Especially someone like Polka who's already paranoid and stresses herself out due to PTSD from her last gig's unfortunate situation and end.

 

[Grumpy]

500 IQ necromancer vs shitbird

She really doesn't know how to play checkers at all.

 

[Potatohead]

An aside to that, I really wish the girls would stop paying attention/egosurfing the 'chans; those autist, mad-at-the-world fucks don't do anyone any favors. Especially someone like Polka who's already paranoid and stresses herself out due to PTSD from her last gig's unfortunate situation and end.

You’re tellin me, hlgg is great for OC like the dozens of arts about Gura singing Big Iron but right now its either in a civil war, a few tourist tards from reddit, schozophrenics, /v/ and so on are just stirring shit, a splinter faction of Mori’s deadbeats decided the best way to prep for the podcast eventually dropping began super mega anti/doomposting to, in his own words “Cull the weak so that only the strong survive.” and never fucking stopped antiposting, newfags outright asking for doxxes of the girls or a mix’n’match of the above.

Not ten minutes after Gura left up that dirt dick during the ongoing stream someone had sketched the scene out. Contrasts heavily with the 3-5 schizos still trying to shit on Mori for podcast deets.

Like, I love the guys there but sometimes also wish a good chunk of them would drop dead unironically.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

You can’t really control who likes a thing, and the number of crazy people out there unfortunately means a certain percentage are going to get involved with said thing’s fandom.

 

[rikochi88]

Serious question, are any of you still of the "fuck Cover" opinion?

For me, i have very mixed feelings and opinions. I understand that Cover has been shown to be incompotent and slow on the uptake numerous times, in terms or protecting their girls, or dealing with legal streaming issues for example. But for some reason...i can't stay mad at them? Because to me they seem like they're genuinely trying to do better and that's evidence of things like, pulling out of China, finally setting up a legal team to deal with harrassment, and Yagoo taking a 50% cut of his salary.

I still think that the suspensions of Aloe, Coco, and Haachama were done for their own safety and to satisfy the harrassers, even for a little bit. Though, you could argue that there was not much done for Aloe before she left, people keep saying she was "left in the cold" and stuff. I don't know much about what's happening behind the scenes to verify. But it could hold water, after all, since Delutaya refuses to work with an agency ever again.

But Coco and Haachama were still given new models right after they came back, so im doubting the real intention was punishment. Furthermore, Cover themselves decided to pull out of China because they finally thought, "fuck this it's no longer worth it". People were upset that the CN girls couldn't keep their avatars, but it turns out that was a rumor started by either the girls themselves or rogue CN employees, and as we found out, the CN girls aren't the poor helpless victims of the CCP like some people (myself included) thought they were.

What are your opinions?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

 

[Jub-Jub]

Haachama is reviewing her own lewds... again.

 

[Neurotic Loser]

Serious question, are any of you still of the "fuck Cover" opinion?

For me, i have very mixed feelings and opinions. I understand that Cover has been shown to be incompotent and slow on the uptake numerous times, in terms or protecting their girls, or dealing with legal streaming issues for example. But for some reason...i can't stay mad at them? Because to me they seem like they're genuinely trying to do better and that's evidence of things like, pulling out of China, finally setting up a legal team to deal with harrassment, and Yagoo taking a 50% cut of his salary.

I still think that the suspensions of Aloe, Coco, and Haachama were done for their own safety and to satisfy the harrassers, even for a little bit. Though, you could argue that there was not much done for Aloe before she left, people keep saying she was "left in the cold" and stuff. I don't know much about what's happening behind the scenes to verify. But it could hold water, after all, since Delutaya refuses to work with an agency ever again.

But Coco and Haachama were still given new models right after they came back, so im doubting the real intention was punishment. Furthermore, Cover themselves decided to pull out of China because they finally thought, "fuck this it's no longer worth it". People were upset that the CN girls couldn't keep their avatars, but it turns out that was a rumor started by either the girls themselves or rogue CN employees, and as we found out, the CN girls aren't the poor helpless victims of the CCP like some people (myself included) thought they were.

What are your opinions?

I still view COVER as very incompetent at handling and protecting their talents for three reasons:

• The way they handled Mio's ghost trick incident. I.E. suspending her for a month and the mass privatisation/deletion of everyone's videos (some of which still aren't back)
• The handling of Aloe.
• The who Mel stalker incident

The people at Cover seem like cool people who understand the appeal of vtubers and put their heart into the production side. However, the people at Cover also aren't great at handling major controversies.

 

[Rezza]

Serious question, are any of you still of the "fuck Cover" opinion?

For me, i have very mixed feelings and opinions. I understand that Cover has been shown to be incompotent and slow on the uptake numerous times, in terms or protecting their girls, or dealing with legal streaming issues for example. But for some reason...i can't stay mad at them? Because to me they seem like they're genuinely trying to do better and that's evidence of things like, pulling out of China, finally setting up a legal team to deal with harrassment, and Yagoo taking a 50% cut of his salary.

I still think that the suspensions of Aloe, Coco, and Haachama were done for their own safety and to satisfy the harrassers, even for a little bit. Though, you could argue that there was not much done for Aloe before she left, people keep saying she was "left in the cold" and stuff. I don't know much about what's happening behind the scenes to verify. But it could hold water, after all, since Delutaya refuses to work with an agency ever again.

But Coco and Haachama were still given new models right after they came back, so im doubting the real intention was punishment. Furthermore, Cover themselves decided to pull out of China because they finally thought, "fuck this it's no longer worth it". People were upset that the CN girls couldn't keep their avatars, but it turns out that was a rumor started by either the girls themselves or rogue CN employees, and as we found out, the CN girls aren't the poor helpless victims of the CCP like some people (myself included) thought they were.

What are your opinions?

I still view COVER as very incompetent at handling and protecting their talents for three reasons:

• The way they handled Mio's ghost trick incident. I.E. suspending her for a month and the mass privatisation/deletion of everyone's videos (some of which still aren't back)
• The handling of Aloe.
• The who Mel stalker incident

The people at Cover seem like cool people who understand the appeal of vtubers and put their heart into the production side. However, the people at Cover also aren't great at handling major controversies.

All of you need to understand, Cover is literally a young company, with origin as a IT company, not a talent agency. Cover becoming a talent agency is a weird twist of fate.
And a little reminder, Vtubers is still a novelty and literally still haven't be fully understood yet. You might argue that Kizuna Ai started years ago, but compared to other form of Japanese showbiz, Vtubers are still in their infancy. Hell, Youtubers are still considered a novelty there. Not to mention streaming is not that big or known in Japan as it is in the US
Sure, that doesn't mean they are immune from criticism, but knowing this fact is important to see vtubers from the business pov

 

[Screw Danlon]

I know I’m usually the guy who tries to keep the kayfabe here, but I actually was about to post this too, because I love how well Rushia clearly knows her character and her audience and uses it in the timing here, and walks around the joke twice before finally baiting out the payoff.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

Cover treats their talents pretty well, all things considered. There have been some vtubers for other companies that got completely fucked over. There's a reason the term "soul replacement" is a thing in the community; it's when the original voice of a vtuber gets shitcanned and the company puts in a new one wihtout telling anyone.

Azuma Lim, for example, got locked out of all her accounts without notice, plus the company she was with tried to screw her out of tons of back pay. After an extensive legal battle, she got the rights to her accounts and L2D back but she's screwed on the back pay. At least she managed to subsequently have modest success as an indy.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Serious question, are any of you still of the "fuck Cover" opinion?

For me, i have very mixed feelings and opinions. I understand that Cover has been shown to be incompotent and slow on the uptake numerous times, in terms or protecting their girls, or dealing with legal streaming issues for example. But for some reason...i can't stay mad at them? Because to me they seem like they're genuinely trying to do better and that's evidence of things like, pulling out of China, finally setting up a legal team to deal with harrassment, and Yagoo taking a 50% cut of his salary.

I still think that the suspensions of Aloe, Coco, and Haachama were done for their own safety and to satisfy the harrassers, even for a little bit. Though, you could argue that there was not much done for Aloe before she left, people keep saying she was "left in the cold" and stuff. I don't know much about what's happening behind the scenes to verify. But it could hold water, after all, since Delutaya refuses to work with an agency ever again.

But Coco and Haachama were still given new models right after they came back, so im doubting the real intention was punishment. Furthermore, Cover themselves decided to pull out of China because they finally thought, "fuck this it's no longer worth it". People were upset that the CN girls couldn't keep their avatars, but it turns out that was a rumor started by either the girls themselves or rogue CN employees, and as we found out, the CN girls aren't the poor helpless victims of the CCP like some people (myself included) thought they were.

What are your opinions?

The talent have their own issues with management and have made them pretty clear a few times in no uncertain terms; Cover as an agency is run by a bunch of people who want to do their best by the talent but really don't have a fucking clue on how to do it. Hitomi Chris bullshit aside, there have been multiple times where Cover fucked up in terms of trying to maintain an image. Pandering to the Chinese market was sort of an act of desperation that did help them in the beginning but came to bite them in the ass big time. Suisei said in no uncertain terms that if they wanted her they would need to take her as she was, without forcing her to adopt a new persona and disown all the work she's done as an independent and all her old friends from those days. They tried to tone down Matsuri from being too outspoken, only leaving her alone once gen 2 came around. They tried to tone down Coco. Everything involving Towa, but again, that was kind of her fault for throwing Cover under the bus in a panic. Then you have other stuff like YAGOO scouting Miko and inviting her to join the agency personally, meaning she completely skipped the audition process because he saw that much potential in her. The fact that they encouraged Coco to audition at all as a talent as opposed to just backend support goes along with this. They have an eye for good performers. Compare this to Nijisanji, where it actually was an agency from the start, and Tsukino Mito saying they ran the joint like a black company for the longest time since she started with them, and she was their first talent. They've gotten somewhat better but Ichikara still has all the black marks of a regular idol industry in terms of mismanagement and really terrible judges of character. I think it was a Nijisanji vtuber that got fired when it was found out he was only in it to fuck other vtubers, and then there was the whole accent debacle. Cover may fuck up a lot, but they're absolute saints when compared to a company like Ichikara and it's no wonder why so many want to work for hololive.

To add to this whole thing, Cover cannot be that bad simply because of Fubuki's presence. Fubuki has gone on record as volunteering to be the canary in the coalmine for the company. If the company goes south, she leaves. Not only does she have a ton of leverage with Cover but her departure would probably cause the entire company to collapse not soon after since everyone else would be jumping ship.

 

[rikochi88]

The talent have their own issues with management and have made them pretty clear a few times in no uncertain terms; Cover as an agency is run by a bunch of people who want to do their best by the talent but really don't have a fucking clue on how to do it. Hitomi Chris bullshit aside, there have been multiple times where Cover fucked up in terms of trying to maintain an image. Pandering to the Chinese market was sort of an act of desperation that did help them in the beginning but came to bite them in the ass big time. Suisei said in no uncertain terms that if they wanted her they would need to take her as she was, without forcing her to adopt a new persona and disown all the work she's done as an independent and all her old friends from those days. They tried to tone down Matsuri from being too outspoken, only leaving her alone once gen 2 came around. They tried to tone down Coco. Everything involving Towa, but again, that was kind of her fault for throwing Cover under the bus in a panic.

Yeah, those controversies are pretty bad, but nowadays it almost comes across as if Cover is actively trying to become a better company and learn from their mistakes.

Now with that being said, i wish they gave more exposure to their talents who are not strictly girls and from the JP/EN branches. Then again, that might be a seperate issue entirely

 

[Mister O.]

I'll echo the same sentiments Neurotic Loser and Salte have tossed up. In a nutshell, Cover is a young company who isn't actually versed in running an "idol agency," since that was pretty much all on YAGOO's kneejerk idea to do so. It boils down to them truly loving and caring about their talents and employees, as they've shown time and time again, but also being pretty fucking retarded in actually practicing doing so, as has been excruciatingly evident over the past rolling 12 months. 2020 has been a ridiculous rollercoaster for Cover/Hololive, with stupid controversies pretty much every other month. No shortage of drama!

They really are trying to get better at protecting their people though, what with placing new policies in effect and buckling down on running interference on troll behavior. Also, A-chan's tweet from a few weeks ago about looking to hire more PR staff is indicative of that as well. YAGOO really does have a heart of gold (to the point where I know certain other Cover staff have said it ends up biting him in the ass), and as a buddy of mine once said - "that man's saved more women than the UN." I know he said in that apology letter after his heavy-handed decision to suspend Coco and Haato for three weeks without consulting anyone else that he'd never make a mistake that big again. I believe him, but we'll see, since he's not the only one in management weighing in on those types of issues.

Random note, somewhat related - it's funny to go back and watch that interview video series w/ YAGOO on YT where he talks about breaking into the Chinese market as being a major goal for 2020. Yeah, how'd that work out?

 

[Pinot Pierrot]

 

[PorkeyDuck]

 

[Potatohead]

Re: Cover bad?

I’m of the opinion that Cover’s incompetency is a result of their recent, stupidly good overseas success. For fucks sake 9 months ago hlg was saying Korone shouldn’t be leeching off Okayu, and she only had 200k subs at the time. There’s no way they have the HR manpower currently to deal with not only the Jap audience, but EN now as well. Cover seriously lucked out with EN gen 1; slowing down to consolidate their gains is the smart move, but there’s merit in striking the iron while it’s hot; however, this route could also backfire horribly. Only time will tell.

tldr Cover is incompetent, but trying to fix that

Re: ID/Stars — both of these branches suffer from handicaps of different nature that end up the same issue: ID from the marketing making them out to be Indo/Jap only and Stars from pandering to the fujoshi audience, both limiting how much of the normal HoloLive audience will transfer over. Though Cover definitely learned from their mistakes with the intro of EN, the problem now is how they can boost the flagging branches.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Re: Cover bad?

I’m of the opinion that Cover’s incompetency is a result of their recent, stupidly good overseas success. For fucks sake 9 months ago hlg was saying Korone shouldn’t be leeching off Okayu, and she only had 200k subs at the time. There’s no way they have the HR manpower currently to deal with not only the Jap audience, but EN now as well. Cover seriously lucked out with EN gen 1; slowing down to consolidate their gains is the smart move, but there’s merit in striking the iron while it’s hot; however, this route could also backfire horribly. Only time will tell.

tldr Cover is incompetent, but trying to fix that

Re: ID/Stars — both of these branches suffer from handicaps of different nature that end up the same issue: ID from the marketing making them out to be Indo/Jap only and Stars from pandering to the fujoshi audience, both limiting how much of the normal HoloLive audience will transfer over. Though Cover definitely learned from their mistakes with the intro of EN, the problem now is how they can boost the flagging branches.

Answer: it's up to the talent. If that T-chan angry post is anything to go by, it's that Cover basically has lifted collab restrictions as far as intercompany relations. Certain people are still obviously off-limits (I doubt we'll see anyone from HoloEN on the Lewdcast) but they're basically free to work with whomever they want to work with under the Cover brand. The big branch collab was proof of that, at least, and the EN girls seem to like working with ID if only because there isn't as much of a language barrier. Even Astel has expressed interest in working with Amelia given enough time, but it's up to them to want to do it.

On another note, Rushia moved into the Holohouse. Good on her that she now has friends nearby, from what I remember she used to live in the sticks compared to everyone else and was very hesitant on asking Coco if it was okay if she moved in their complex to hang out with them.

 

[Takodachi]

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Holy FUCK that is cute. So far the cutest and I'm not even a Shion fan.

I'll echo the same sentiments Neurotic Loser and Salte have tossed up. In a nutshell, Cover is a young company who isn't actually versed in running an "idol agency," since that was pretty much all on YAGOO's kneejerk idea to do so. It boils down to them truly loving and caring about their talents and employees, as they've shown time and time again, but also being pretty fucking retarded in actually practicing doing so, as has been excruciatingly evident over the past rolling 12 months. 2020 has been a ridiculous rollercoaster for Cover/Hololive, with stupid controversies pretty much every other month. No shortage of drama!

They really are trying to get better at protecting their people though, what with placing new policies in effect and buckling down on running interference on troll behavior. Also, A-chan's tweet from a few weeks ago about looking to hire more PR staff is indicative of that as well. YAGOO really does have a heart of gold (to the point where I know certain other Cover staff have said it ends up biting him in the ass), and as a buddy of mine once said - "that man's saved more women than the UN." I know he said in that apology letter after his heavy-handed decision to suspend Coco and Haato for three weeks without consulting anyone else that he'd never make a mistake that big again. I believe him, but we'll see, since he's not the only one in management weighing in on those types of issues.

Random note, somewhat related - it's funny to go back and watch that interview video series w/ YAGOO on YT where he talks about breaking into the Chinese market as being a major goal for 2020. Yeah, how'd that work out?

 

[rabbitdigger321]

Im wondering if anyone found ina's face yet all i know is that she is naguri