Furry Fandom and Drama General

Well, going on the answers from Google, base pay for a starting animator in the USA is around $50K/yr and in Japan it starts around 1.1 million yen.

It would be cheaper for American animation studios to import Japanese animators, and both sides would be better for it. Damn.
 
It looks like that furry patreon leaking website is dead and buried.

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It's back up now, but still closing.
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Or he could just not be a fucking faggot and hand the ownership off to someone else.
Didn't you read the announcement? It's literally too much work.

Clearly, fuck everybody who uses the website. He just doesn't want too much work. Poor man, so overworked he can't even keep his piracy website online.

Do I really need to make it clear its sarcasm?
 
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Didn't you read the announcement? It's literally too much work.

Clearly, fuck everybody who uses the website. He just doesn't want too much work. Poor man, so overworked he can't even keep his piracy website online.

Do I really need to make it clear its sarcasm?
This sounds similar to what happened to a website called OekakiART back in the early 2000s, it was a central 'hub' of oekaki boards hosted or given out by the host of the site, Kameloh. OekakiART died when community supposedly didn't keep the lights on with donations.

OekakiART had a profile and gallery system that connected all it's users into a central hub with a recent and featured section, similar to DeviantArt. When it shut down, no one was able to save their oekaki boards or art, but they released some old PHP source code for anyone who wanted to use it if they knew how.

He also failed to host a site called Nabyn because he couldn't keep it hosted without donations.

Kameloh currently hosts OCBin and otherwise hopes for donations on various social media platforms in order to survive.

DA - FA - Twitter - Patreon - ArtStation - Pixiv

If you have a look at his comments on DA, you can see people begging him to 'make nabyn again' or 'can u sel ur codez?'
Judging by how he's drawing for popular fags like Fluff Kevlar and completely ignoring all of his comments, he's most likely soaking up the the 'omg ur a coder AND u do art' environment while being totally useless at the same time.

I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere else here, so I figured I'd bring it up.
 
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One thing you can always rely on Furrys to do is to overshare everything. It never occurs to them that maybe, just maybe, a private Twitter or other communication method might be a good idea; they’ve got a throw everything out there for everyone to see under the assumption that all they’re going to get is accolades for their degenerate lifestyle and the exciting journey of sexual discovery they’re on.

although, putting everything in public leads to the always satisfying “the parents found out and now furry is in trouble“. And that is never not funny.
They could also not link their identities to their real persona. Seriously why do people label themselves irl based on their hobbies? I don’t call myself a writer or artist, I just say I like to draw.
 
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This sounds similar to what happened to a website called OekakiART back in the early 2000s, it was a central 'hub' of oekaki boards hosted or given out by the host of the site, Kameloh. OekakiART died when community supposedly didn't keep the lights on with donations.

OekakiART had a profile and gallery system that connected all it's users into a central hub with a recent and featured section, similar to DeviantArt. When it shut down, no one was able to save their oekaki boards or art, but they released some old PHP source code for anyone who wanted to use it if they knew how.

He also failed to host a site called Nabyn because he couldn't keep it hosted without donations.

Kameloh currently hosts OCBin and otherwise hopes for donations on various social media platforms in order to survive.

DA - FA - Twitter - Patreon - ArtStation - Pixiv

If you have a look at his comments on DA, you can see people begging him to 'make nabyn again' or 'can u sel ur codez?'
Judging by how he's drawing for popular fags like Fluff Kevlar and completely ignoring all of his comments, he's most likely soaking up the the 'omg ur a coder AND u do art' environment while being totally useless at the same time.

I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere else here, so I figured I'd bring it up.
I remember Nabyn. That was 'that fabulous alternative to deviantArt and FurAffinity' others kept praising. There wer even sections were you can write about your characters and include relevant art. However, the site was invite-only and ended up dying. I wondered why... until you told me.
 
I remember Nabyn. That was 'that fabulous alternative to deviantArt and FurAffinity' others kept praising. There wer even sections were you can write about your characters and include relevant art. However, the site was invite-only and ended up dying. I wondered why... until you told me.
Most 'Furaffinity alternatives' that have popped up over the years just tend to die as fast as they appear. I'm still shocked Weasyl is going, but it seems dead.

It's depressing that the site with the most features FA users have asked for for years, and has an active community and donation flow, is Inkbunny - The place where most decent users just won't touch because of the cubshit everywhere.
 
I remember Nabyn. That was 'that fabulous alternative to deviantArt and FurAffinity' others kept praising. There wer even sections were you can write about your characters and include relevant art. However, the site was invite-only and ended up dying. I wondered why... until you told me.
The same thing happened to SheezyArt with Spencer and Channel Cat. He left a long message back in 2014 (archive) where he basically gives a sap story saying he neglected his family who "needs his help" and how it's just so hard to keep the site up. I also found an old message from 2005 where it seems like he was up to the same shit (archive).
 
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Reading through the replies to this was interesting. An equal mix of people telling him off, asking him to post the source code so someone who wouldn't find it 'too hard' could carry the torch, and saying their goodbyes. It was like attending a funeral which doubled as a mob rally. Personally, I think he's being ridiculous. I mean sure, you do this in your spare time, but that just shows that someone else more autistic than you could easily step in and fill your shoes. Just pass the torch, man. Don't throw in the towel and fuck everyone else over.
 
The same thing happened to SheezyArt with Spencer and Channel Cat. He left a long message back in 2014 (archive) where he basically gives a sap story saying he neglected his family who "needs his help" and how it's just so hard to keep the site up. I also found an old message from 2005 where it seems like he was up to the same shit (archive).
I used to love Sheezyart, if only for the highly customizable profiles. I don't think it was ever furry specific, but it suffered from the same issue Artgrounds had where the furry mascot put off a lot of people from using it and taking it seriously as a platform.

Relying on things like donations is never a way to sustain a project. Donations have no constant flow, and users come and go. I've seen so many furry projects and general art/creative sites over the years with great features and premises just kinda fading into obscurity from lack of interest, too. Furcanvas for instance was a great free alternative without the outlandish costs of Wolfhome, but still died as fast as it appeared, most likely... Due to the whole 'it's free!' thing and lack of interaction.

Now that I remember, the successor to Sheezy was this site, but again it's pretty dead. http://ambiance.gallery/
 
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I used to love Sheezyart, if only for the highly customizable profiles. I don't think it was ever furry specific, but it suffered from the same issue Artgrounds had where the furry mascot put off a lot of people from using it and taking it seriously as a platform.

Relying on things like donations is never a way to sustain a project. Donations have no constant flow, and users come and go. I've seen so many furry projects and general art/creative sites over the years with great features and premises just kinda fading into obscurity from lack of interest, too. Furcanvas for instance was a great free alternative without the outlandish costs of Wolfhome, but still died as fast as it appeared, most likely... Due to the whole 'it's free!' thing and lack of interaction.
As with freedom, all free things in life come with a cost.
 
I used to love Sheezyart, if only for the highly customizable profiles. I don't think it was ever furry specific, but it suffered from the same issue Artgrounds had where the furry mascot put off a lot of people from using it and taking it seriously as a platform.

Relying on things like donations is never a way to sustain a project. Donations have no constant flow, and users come and go. I've seen so many furry projects and general art/creative sites over the years with great features and premises just kinda fading into obscurity from lack of interest, too. Furcanvas for instance was a great free alternative without the outlandish costs of Wolfhome, but still died as fast as it appeared, most likely... Due to the whole 'it's free!' thing and lack of interaction.

Now that I remember, the successor to Sheezy was this site, but again it's pretty dead. http://ambiance.gallery/
It's funny - I remember someone named KayFedewa, (Twitter / DA / FA / Patreon / Her (archive)) an artist who has been making the same boring comic for years, was claiming at conventions that she created Wolfhome some time before 2010 - but when you look here, you can see it's owned and created by Bill Underwood / Gre7g Luterman whose wife has been Kyoht (also since before 2010.) I don't have proof of her claims about owning Wolfhome because she was telling to everyone in-person at cons. KayFedewa has a drawing here (archive) from 2012 which says it's for her "new animal art and roleplaying forum" named wildreign.com (which failed instantly.) However, you can see all of the comments asking if they can use it for Wolfhome. She also tried to make 'blackbloodalliance.com' in recent years which failed as well. She seems like the kind of person who would go and say they created Wolfhome because their own shit sucks.

Also, although I can't find the images now, KayFedewa has a thing for feral dogs, cubs, and pregnancy. She's drawn numerous images of herself as a feral wolf being pregnant / having cubs with various "alpha" males, and her comics always include cubs who grow up and adventure together, mate, have cubs who grow up and adventure, mate, have cubs, etc. She's also good friends with TaniDaReal (Personal / FA / DA / Instagram) who's also into cub/pregnancy/feral, and she still has some of her more 'tame' pregnancy/cub stuff up (examples: 1 2 3 4 5) but she removed most of it. This all stemmed from her roleplaying on Furcadia's dreams, namely: Order of the Wolf, Sleepy Hollow, and The Dog Pound. The comics generally just have the same 'clan war' attitude that you'd find on role players in Furcadia (especially feral ones.)

The Dog Pound was an extra weird place that needs mentioning, they set up a situation where players can either be caged as a puppy in the pound who needs a home - or you can be the one adopting the puppy. This will usually involve weird cub shit, sex, grooming, calling their adopter "daddy" and having to do what they say or they'll be abandoned for being a "bad puppy." Often, the "puppy" will be forced to set their description/title/whatever to say who their "daddy" is, and that they're the "baby" in the relationship (with abandonment as their punishment if they don't.)
 
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