Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

Thanos is the teenage me who thought nuclear war would be awesome because it'd solve over population in a heartbeat.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

You forgot the part where the Joker has no lines as he is just a generic brute for Batman to kick in the face of. Honestly, any moral complexity would be gone as the MCU cannot write a compelling villain. The closest they got was Thanos and maybe Kill Monger, but they still follow the 5 year old mentality and are not deep at all. Kill Monger is just, much racism, and Thanos‘ ideology is so dumb that of course people debate it as brilliant and engaging.

You're right. The MCU villains are so forgettable that I forgot that there are villains. As the somewhat "good villains", I didn't see Black Panther but I understood that Kill Monger wanted to start a race war with giving Joggers Wakandans weapons, an act that would still almost certainely get them massacred (since slightly more futuristic weapons won't change the fact you lead an unorganized mob against an army) and in general is about the definition of leftist double think. Thanos is just regular eco fascism, and not a good one since there is nothing that stops population from regrowing back in a few decades.

 

[-4ZURE-]

I didn't see Black Panther but I understood that Kill Monger wanted to start a race war with giving Joggers Wakandans weapons

The weapons would not even be effective as all of them are spears or other tribal weapons. Any police officer would just shoot them, how is Wakanda more advanced than people with guns?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The weapons would not even be effective as all of them are spears or other tribal weapons. Any police officer would just shoot them, how is Wakanda more advanced than people with guns?

The obvious answer is that the writers in modern day Hollywood only see the army as a malevolent entity (except when they give them free props and funding). Any idea of modern military tactics is non-existant since the writers are utterly uninformed and don't wish to study. So the only thing that matters when one army fights another is the weapons, like what a 5 year old would think,

Logically, Wakanda would fucking collapse to the average dipshit African warlord. Since even those warlords have more combat experience than a country that didn't have a war in several centuries.

 

[starborn427614]

The weapons would not even be effective as all of them are spears or other tribal weapons. Any police officer would just shoot them, how is Wakanda more advanced than people with guns?

There were plenty of projectile weapons and the ships have blasters too. Shuri's hand cannons are just one example.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Logically, Wakanda would fucking collapse to the average dipshit African warlord. Since even those warlords have more combat experience than a country that didn't have a war in several centuries.

Even in the film, all of Wakanda has spears that can apparently shoot lasers and some shield gizmos, yet they all get beaten by a guy with a wooden club.

There were plenty of projectile weapons and the ships have blasters too. Shuri's hand cannons are just one example.

It is weird. I rewatched the ending again and only the royal family seems to have anything of note. Everyone else is spears that they use for close combat, not to shoot even though they can, and other weird melee weapons. Wakanda is also super divided with many living in average Africa and using Rhinos for transport. It seems Black Panther sort of just hordes any useful technology for war, everyone else better become John Wick with a spear.

 

[Governor Jeb Bush]

MCU? fucking shite movies.

Insignificant bits of shit released so the media can get all pretentious about how the movies are SO groundbreaking for having a nigga on screen for 2 minutes. Or that it's the first movie to ever do specific thing - but it never really is... as someone always finds some movie from the 1970s that already met the claim!
Why is representation important in some shitty hollywoke blockbusters? I haven't an idea. No clue for real.

And don't even get me started on the content of the movies - it all seems a bit hypocritical that the movies are rated 12 and 15 BUT you can buy action figures, dolls and playset tat for CHILDREN? how could a child be a fan of this shit when the movies are rated above their ages... seems legit... (cunt parents)

There's no character development and the second i see someone mention Marvel and Character development in the same sentence - i know they have autism or some other tard disorder.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Something I realized while watching a playthrough of the Miles Morales game today.

I really REALLY fucking hate what the MCU has done to Marvel. Literally *everyone* is in a god damn Iron Man knock off suit now. The universe has become so god damn lacking in creativity thanks to these damn films.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Something I realized while watching a playthrough of the Miles Morales game today.

I really REALLY fucking hate what the MCU has done to Marvel. Literally *everyone* is in a god damn Iron Man knock off suit now. The universe has become so god damn lacking in creativity thanks to these damn films.

Pretty much this.

There's a special place in Hell for Bob Iger, Kevin Feige, James Gunn, and Joss Whedon.

 

[Lensherr]

You forgot the part where the Joker has no lines as he is just a generic brute for Batman to kick in the face of. Honestly, any moral complexity would be gone as the MCU cannot write a compelling villain. The closest they got was Thanos and maybe Kill Monger, but they still follow the 5 year old mentality and are not deep at all. Kill Monger is just, much racism, and Thanos‘ ideology is so dumb that of course people debate it as brilliant and engaging.

Thanos would have worked a lot better if they kept his comic motivation where he’s a nihilist who wants to wipe out half of all life in the universe in order to please the personification of Death (which is a hot lady he wants to bang). By making him a neo-Malthusian and couching his goal in the somewhat noble wrapping of wanting to stop overpopulation, his justification for it doesn’t make since, since there are better ways to solve that problem if you have a magic space glove that can do pretty much anything you want with it, and the films don’t give a clear enough picture of his psychology and thought-process that led him to his decision. Whereas in the comics, it makes sense why someone of his philosophical disposition would want to wipe out half of all life in the universe, since that’s the ultimate way to please the literal personification of Death.

Pretty much this.

There's a special place in Hell for Bob Iger, Kevin Feige, James Gunn, and Joss Whedon.

I pretty much agree with @Judge Holden that Joss Whedon’s influence on entertainment has been largely negative. Other people trying to ape his style has led to a major paucity of sincerity in popular media (i.e., we can never have a serious moment without some dumbass quip/gag/wink to the audience ruining it, and everything has to be self-aware/ironic).

 

[XYZpdq]

Thanos would have worked a lot better if they kept his comic motivation where he’s a nihilist who wants to wipe out half of all life in the universe in order to please the personification of Death (which is a hot lady he wants to bang). By making him a neo-Malthusian and couching his goal in the somewhat noble wrapping of wanting to stop overpopulation, his justification for it doesn’t make since, since there are better ways to solve that problem if you have a magic space glove that can do pretty much anything you want with it, and the films don’t give a clear enough picture of his psychology and thought-process that led him to his decision. Whereas in the comics, it makes sense why someone of his philosophical disposition would want to wipe out half of all life in the universe, since that’s the ultimate way to please the literal personification of Death..

the big problem with that is, iirc, Death had been established as a specific entity in the Marvel Universe for a while before that, and so had Thanos
so if you throw them both into shit at the same time out of nowhere it would make no goddamn sense
maybe if they did some Special Editions where Death appeared when major character deaths occurred for re-issued of the movies or something but as-is that really didn't fit with the MCU, however more reasonable it was a thing in the comics
like how Adam Warlock was a thing that made sense showing up, but if he had suddenly popped up in the movies it would be "wait who the fuck is this blond orange asshole".

 

[Uranus Pink]

Adam Warlock was already primed to be introduced following GOTG2; and previously been a character at least be well known the orange asshole wearing the shiny glove owned by the purple asshole to comic casuals.

 

[starborn427614]

Adam Warlock was already primed to be introduced following GOTG2; and previously been a character at least be well known the orange asshole wearing the shiny glove owned by the purple asshole to comic casuals.

I wonder how he's going to be used now. That's really the only role I know him from.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I wonder how he's going to be used now. That's really the only role I know him from.

Disney and Feige screwed up big by going cheap with Infinity War as the Infinity stones taken from Xander, Knowhere, and preluding battle with the Asgardians should have been shown not told to us. Warlock, Karl Manvers, and other possible Phrase IV heroes could've easily been introduced taking part in the defense of the stones or trying to stop him enroute to next Stone and failing. Granted Marvel would have needed to make Infinity War itself into either a dulogy or trilogy to show not tell us everything.

 

[The Nothingness]

Thanos would have worked a lot better if they kept his comic motivation where he’s a nihilist who wants to wipe out half of all life in the universe in order to please the personification of Death (which is a hot lady he wants to bang). By making him a neo-Malthusian and couching his goal in the somewhat noble wrapping of wanting to stop overpopulation, his justification for it doesn’t make since, since there are better ways to solve that problem if you have a magic space glove that can do pretty much anything you want with it, and the films don’t give a clear enough picture of his psychology and thought-process that led him to his decision. Whereas in the comics, it makes sense why someone of his philosophical disposition would want to wipe out half of all life in the universe, since that’s the ultimate way to please the literal personification of Death.

the big problem with that is, iirc, Death had been established as a specific entity in the Marvel Universe for a while before that, and so had Thanos
so if you throw them both into shit at the same time out of nowhere it would make no goddamn sense
maybe if they did some Special Editions where Death appeared when major character deaths occurred for re-issued of the movies or something but as-is that really didn't fit with the MCU, however more reasonable it was a thing in the comics

When you go back to the mid-credit scene of the first Avengers movie, Thanos' minion says that to "challenge them [humans] is to court death." That could have been a starting point to introduce Death but that did not come to pass.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

When you go back to the mid-credit scene of the first Avengers movie, Thanos' minion says that to "challenge them [humans] is to court death." That could have been a starting point to introduce Death but that did not come to pass.

As I've read it, Thanos was supposed to be introduced and written out in Avenger's 2 until Josh Sweden demanded be he allowed (and ultimately ruin) Ultron. They could have built it up properly, but they also could -and probably would- have just ran through his entire storyline in the two and a half hour run time and then tried to end "the saga" with like Galactus or some shit. The big, interconnected plotline shit wasn't the plan from the start, especially when it seemed like in the pre-Russo era the entire franchise was going to be Whedon's baby, and I think for all it's flaws the way they pulled it off was ultimately the better of the two scenarios.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Its still interesting to me that they basically turned Thor into a joke. Thor in Ragnarok and Endgame was just........bad bad characterization

 

[A Random]

Something I realized while watching a playthrough of the Miles Morales game today.

I really REALLY fucking hate what the MCU has done to Marvel. Literally *everyone* is in a god damn Iron Man knock off suit now. The universe has become so god damn lacking in creativity thanks to these damn films.

Not that they're not at fault, but you have to blame Batman too. The Spider-Man games were influenced by Arkham City/Knight, after all [cue all the stealth sections and gadget gameplay].

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Not that they're not at fault, but you have to blame Batman too. The Spider-Man games were influenced by Arkham City/Knight, after all [cue all the stealth sections and gadget gameplay].

I don't have a problem with the gadgets as Spider-Man has always had stuff like the webshooters and spider tracers and I can overlook the more high tech gadgets as a gameplay thing. Plus I felt that having the resources of Octavius lab gave a reasonable explanation for where he would have the resources to build them.

But it gets a little over the top in Miles Morales where all of the suits need to have AI's in them, and Peter is making sophisticated holographic technology while also still supposedly being some poor dude. I get Peter and Miles are geniuses but that doesn't explain where they are getting the funding/resources for all these things.

And all the enemies having knock off Iron Man suits is annoying. Rhino can't just be a big brute, he's got to have some techy combat armor on top of it. Roxxon goons couldn't just be dudes decked out in military contractor gear, they had to have knock off Iron Man suits. I'm half expecting a sequel to have a Venom/Green Goblin hybrid just so they can have some kind of tech armor on Venom.

 

[starborn427614]

I don't have a problem with the gadgets as Spider-Man has always had stuff like the webshooters and spider tracers and I can overlook the more high tech gadgets as a gameplay thing. Plus I felt that having the resources of Octavius lab gave a reasonable explanation for where he would have the resources to build them.

But it gets a little over the top in Miles Morales where all of the suits need to have AI's in them, and Peter is making sophisticated holographic technology while also still supposedly being some poor dude. I get Peter and Miles are geniuses but that doesn't explain where they are getting the funding/resources for all these things.

And all the enemies having knock off Iron Man suits is annoying. Rhino can't just be a big brute, he's got to have some techy combat armor on top of it. Roxxon goons couldn't just be dudes decked out in military contractor gear, they had to have knock off Iron Man suits. I'm half expecting a sequel to have a Venom/Green Goblin hybrid just so they can have some kind of tech armor on Venom.

Judging by the gear strewn about in Norman's place in Spidey 1 I'm pretty sure Venom and Goblin are going to be separate characters so I wouldn't worry there.