2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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There are two routes open to Trump right now:
1: Obtain enough shifted votes to change the result of the election. This one is the focus because it sets up 2 as well, and is the most visibly legitimate method.
2: Sow enough discontent that Republican legislatures refuse to certify, or certify their electors for Trump. Less visibly legitimate, but the second option.

Powell's actions are designed to somewhat assist 1, but mostly assist 2. If dominion can be brought into question enough, and SCOTUS fails to adequately remedy the issue, then it is feeding to the republican legislatures. This does have a higher bar than 1 to hit, and its THE nuclear option. So I am leery of them aiming for it.
If fraud is consistently found and only to biden a benefit, I don't see how the electors could possibly certify that election.

It will be throwing their own necks to the wolves, and in this case the wolves are the republican voters.
 
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If fraud is consistently found and only to biden a benefit, I don't see how the electors could possibly certify that election.

It will be throwing their own necks to the wolves, and in this case the wolves are the republican voters.
I understand the thought process behind it, and agree to some extent, but it is -the- nuclear option. Its an open call for outright civil war.

Addendum: My hope is its a bit of politicing, Put it on the table and use it to clearly force SCOTUS' hand. As is, SCOTUS might end up ruling against Trump believing that doing so is the lesser of two evils for how much chaos the result will bring. By slapping direct elector choosing on the table, it makes it a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, so they might as well go for the side that sets less awful precedent.
 
I understand the thought process behind it, and agree to some extent, but it is -the- nuclear option. Its an open call for outright civil war.

Addendum: My hope is its a bit of politicing, Put it on the table and use it to clearly force SCOTUS' hand. As is, SCOTUS might end up ruling against Trump believing that doing so is the lesser of two evils for how much chaos the result will bring. By slapping direct elector choosing on the table, it makes it a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, so they might as well go for the side that sets less awful precedent.
Civil War will happen either way.

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Remember that "DHS statement" a couple days ago that claimed our election was "totally secure?" And then we found out it wasn't actually DHS, but just an "advisory committee" to DHS? Well, guess who's a member of that committee: Dominion Voting Systems. No, I'm not joking.

Dominion Part of Council That Disputed Election Integrity Concerns in DHS Statement​


Paywalled article, but here is twitter thread about:
1) Dominion is a Member of Council That Disputed Election Integrity Concerns in DHS Statement

Dominion Voting Systems used statement, which obscured company’s council membership, to dispute concerns over voting systems

2) On Nov 12 CISA issued a statement disputing voting irregularities saying “the November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.”

The statement noted “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

3) What the agency failed to disclose, however, is that Dominion Voting Systems, along with Smartmatic, is a member of CISA’s Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council - one of the two entities that authored the statement put out by CISA.

4) The joint statement was issued through CISA by the Executive Committee of the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC)
cisa.gov/news/2020/11/1…

5) However, both Dominion & Smartmatics are listed as members of CISA’s Sector Coordinating Council and appear to be actively involved as they are named as “Organizing Members” of the SCC.

6) On Nov. 12, this publication published an article detailing a number of concerns raised about the integrity of Dominion Voting Systems in a sworn Aug. 24 declaration from a poll watcher and acknowledged expert on electronic voting security.

7) On Nov 11, we asked Dominion Voting Systems for comment about the allegations and received no response.

Our article was published on the morning of Nov. 12.

That afternoon CISA published the statement denying any problems with the voting systems.

8) On Nov. 13, Dominion sent us an email titled “SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT” which cited the joint statement published by GCC and SCC.

Dominion cited the CISA statement as exoneration but failed to disclose that the statement was written by a Council of which it was part.

9) Additionally, while it remains unclear whether CISA and the GCC/SCC have evaluated concerns raised in the Georgia lawsuit, their public statements categorically deny any problems with the systems.

10) On Oct 11, Judge Totenberg wrote that the case presented “serious system security vulnerability and operational issues that may place Plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote that is accurately counted.”

11) We've reached out to CISA for comment on these matters but have not received any replies as of this writing.
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Civil War will happen either way.

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The difference is intensity and legitimacy. Direct elector choosing has the issue that many other countries won't accept it, and it becomes open season to start aiding whichever side they want. Additionally, it would be a rallying cry for the left. Trump winning via overturning results has an air of legitimacy that the left would have to overcome, where as direct elector selection visibly LOOKS like an open coup even if it is totally constitutional.
 
I understand the thought process behind it, and agree to some extent, but it is -the- nuclear option. Its an open call for outright civil war.

Addendum: My hope is its a bit of politicing, Put it on the table and use it to clearly force SCOTUS' hand. As is, SCOTUS might end up ruling against Trump believing that doing so is the lesser of two evils for how much chaos the result will bring. By slapping direct elector choosing on the table, it makes it a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, so they might as well go for the side that sets less awful precedent.
Well defrauding the US. Electoral system should be an act of civil war by itself, rigging it on the benefit of a single party as well, the GOP didn't start this shit, but some strong institutional response is needed by multiple agents to make it clear that this shit won't fly.
 
Well defrauding the US. Electoral system should be an act of civil war by itself, rigging it on the benefit of a single party as well, the GOP didn't start this shit, but some strong institutional response is needed by multiple agents to make it clear that this shit won't fly.
I actually do agree, but I am noting that direct elector selection is a NUCLEAR option. My hope is that this is simply a pressure tactic to force SCOTUS to do the right thing.
 
Pence has announced he’ll resign if Trump refuses to concede after December.

Doubtful, but if it were true, I wouldn't be surprised. Even then, if there's any truth to these rumors at all, it's probably a case of Pence encouraging Trump to cut his losses if they can't gain any real wins before the 14th of December.

Pence is a literal traditionalist and a relic of the old "Neocons and Fundies" GOP paradigm of the Reagan and Bush years. But he's more inclined towards the Bible Belt aspect than the neocon aspect.

The fact he's not an explicit neocon means he could probably still keep his career as a state-level politician and unlike Trump, is less of a lightning rod (no pun intended) for Woke Leftist hatred since he's much less of a public figure.

Still, Pence strikes me as the kind of guy who will stick by Trump as long as he can but will keep his head down no matter which way this goes down.

Like most prominent Democrats before 2003 he was perfectly willing to go chasing WMDs in the sandbox. I don't know if he'd have a blatantly swampy administration like Bush Jr did but it's pretty safe to say he'd just be no better than Obama at least foreign policy wise. I don't know if the Euros would've seen through it either or if they'd also been perfectly fine with foreign American wars if the media says it's OK. Domestically is where I'm interested as to whether or not things would've turned out differently and whether or not our post-2008 Current Year zeitgeist would be better or worse.

I think Al Gore would be the kind of person who'd go charging into the sandbox but then cut his losses for the PR boost if things quagmired as badly as they did under Bush.

The Europeans would probably have a more favorable view of him since he's less of an ornery redneck than Bush was and wasn't openly tied to the Religious Right. Even if the fundies were an exclusively American thing by 2000, they were commonly cited as a reason why the rest of the world hated America in the Bush years and why the more secular and well-spoken Obama was so beloved by the EU despite the fact he was every bit a corporatist and globalist as Bush was.

Granted, I'm not entirely sure what the media coverage of Bush and the American Religious Right was like in the UK and Europe back then. I'm sure @Pointless Pedant and @Judge Holden can probably give a good view of the British perspective while @Lemmingwise can give a mainland European view.

I do know American media talking heads often cited the fundies at the time as a major focal point of anti-American sentiment but I'm honestly unsure how much of that was legit versus how much was typical 2000's atheist sperging or progressives invoking what had become a common boogeyman by that point
 

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The best most peaceful exit is to hope these elections were fair, trump lost and biden won on his own merits.

Republicans will have the chance to win again if they adjust their message and platform, and there will be a next time.

unfortunately this would be play pretend

The line of delegitimizing democracy was crossed by the DNC, acceptance will be the crater that will open the floodgates of it happening again and again.

A good comment I read is that "no evidence of fraud" actually reverses the burden of proof on the electoral proceess, elections need demonstrable integrity which means both parties are in agreement of the rules and procedures, this didn't happen this time, this election we have several state laws being broken, stopped vote counts, and fucking electronic vote switching of five figures, there is no reason to trust these results at all.
 
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Give me the tl;dr on today guys. I wanna hear updates.
Only things of consequence

About 2,700 uncounted ballots found in one county by Georgia's hand recount, 778 vote gain for Trump. Ballots were scanned in a Dominion vote scanner which didn't register them or some crap

Clark County NV refused to certify an election for local office with over 100,000 votes for all candidates because the irregularities were so crazy, which may or may not add weight to an argument in court that the presidential election in Clark County was fucked as well

Everything else colored pills like usual
 
Give me the tl;dr on today guys. I wanna hear updates.
Nevada is more in play if anyone wants to take it, Georgia leaders are cucked as shit but have given ample fuel to the Georgia legislature to tell them to go fuck themselves, there is increasing pressure from the Arizona legislature to look into Maricopa, Sidney Powell has met the last dredges of anti-trump resistance in the administration.

Alls quiet in the rust belt.
 
The difference is intensity and legitimacy. Direct elector choosing has the issue that many other countries won't accept it, and it becomes open season to start aiding whichever side they want. Additionally, it would be a rallying cry for the left. Trump winning via overturning results has an air of legitimacy that the left would have to overcome, where as direct elector selection visibly LOOKS like an open coup even if it is totally constitutional.
The left already rigged this election and we are not going to reward bad behavior. They already talked about lists and attacking Trump supporters and Republicans. How much more if a rallying cry do liberals need when it's been the same screeching for the last four years.

Other countries can kiss our asses as they will if Biden or Trump get into office. Nobody is going to do shit unless they want the aid money to stop. Which I am in favor of anyways. Nobody stopped doing business with America when Iraq got invaded, they won't stop now.
 
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