2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[MrJokerRager]

Why does Trump even want a second term? Covid stupidity is about to cause an economic crisis that's almost unprecedented with possible violence and societal breakdown to follow. Better for all the shit to go down under a democratic presidency so they take the blame.

Not want a second term? What did it mean by this?

 

[omega_faggot]

It will fundamentally change, my friend. It will be moving at a slower pace to the point you won't notice it. You will be unarmed. You will eat the bugs. You will live in a pod. You will own nothing. And you will be happy.

sounds like you are a seething poor redneck who believes every QAnon conspiracy he reads on craigslist

 

[NeroRisotto]

Why does Trump even want a second term? Covid stupidity is about to cause an economic crisis that's almost unprecedented with possible violence and societal breakdown to follow. Better for all the shit to go down under a democratic presidency so they take the blame.

The media will just say anything bad that happens under Biden is actually Trump's fault.

 

[X Prime]

You're right, other posters in the thread make points defending it that boil down to exactly that, and they all deserve to lose because of it.

Pretty much.

Think about it - say for the sake of argument that the Republicans even did pre-emptive lawfare.

Guess what? True originalists and so on would not stand for it, because it's literally what the neoliberals do in another guise.

It's the problem of having any kind of principles - it's a weak point that true believers can attack you with, and the liberals have far more true believers in their civic religion, because being a true believer in that civic religion is a pretty good way to get material rewards like money and fame.

 

[ChikN10der]

Also looking forward to conservatards pretending that Trump's last minute sops to the people who put him over the line in 2016, but didn't care as much as the people who righteously hated him in 2020, were things that he was actually seriously trying to implement.

1. "Biden re-authorized Critical Race Theory training that Trump did nothing to actually enforce his last minute ban on! He's a DEMONRAT racist"
2. "Biden increased H1-B levels to the levels they were at under Obama, before Trump brought in even more in his first three years, only reducing them in the last minute due to COVID. He hates American workers!"

Maybe Trump will do a last minute EO against birthright citizenship too in a bad-faith attempt to get the Supreme Court to rule in favor of birthright citizenship being an actual thing. Should be fun!

Damn I guess that press conference has the Dems nervous, the shills are out and busy! Lol, global warming, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel...

Imagine being such a piece of shit you voluntarily go around trying to stop the spread of information because you think it helps someone you don't like. Holy shit you people are the main problem with human civilization, and you do it for a cheap dopamine hit to your pozzed and numbed brains.

It's like selling out your family for a hit of crack.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

The shifting continues, wonder what their narrative will be next week?

 

[Meat Target]

Pretty much.

Think about it - say for the sake of argument that the Republicans even did pre-emptive lawfare.

Guess what? True originalists and so on would not stand for it, because it's literally what the neoliberals do in another guise.

It's the problem of having any kind of principles - it's a weak point that true believers can attack you with, and the liberals have far more true believers in their civic religion, because being a true believer in that civic religion is a pretty good way to get material rewards like money and fame.

AFAIK, SCOTUS isn't even able to make rulings based on hypotheticals. There has to be a real-world legal controversy.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

And hiring Rudy to me indicates a show, not a defense.

Even if he hires several other lawyers apart from Rudy? Even if he's reportedly paying the guy 20k a day?

That's apart from the fact that Rudy seems to have been doing a fine job in the courts thus far (though I must clarify that this may be because his opposition is in fact that bad or the cases are in fact that damning).

 

[Bartleby]

You misunderstand, it's not that they're all powerful or incapable of error, it's that we've reached the point that it clearly doesn't matter anymore. If there was even a sliver of an iota of a chance of Trump turning this around, the powers that be wouldn't be acting so cocksure in victory. Not of course, that Trump can't do it, but the powers arrayed against him are much more potent than you seem to be making them out to be.

I would not be shocked in the least if, if any of these cases went to SCOTUS, they'd cuck out and give it to Biden to "keep the peace" or some such mealy-mouthed bullshit. I'm not saying it's impossible either, but it damn sure isn't likely. And, like I said, it would be in spite of the system, not in working with it. Judges are still at the end of the day, human, and like you were keen to point out that means they are capable of making mistakes. Or "mistakes", going by that one story of that woman who got death threats over this bullshit.

TPTB will act cocksure in victory no matter what, and the same could be said for Trump and his legal team, too, so I don't think your reasoning here is very accurate or says much of anything about Trump's chances. And again, you're not actually saying anything about the SCOTUS judges themselves, you're just basing it on what could go wrong, which somehow then jumps to there not being even a sliver of an iota of a chance (which might as well be saying it's impossible, even if you're saying it's 0.1% rather than 0%). Also, what do you even define as the system here? Is the legal system inherently against Trump? The lower courts likely are, but there's a reason everyone here has been focusing on the SCOTUS, are they inherently against him? I've heard the kingmaker argument before, but it applies to the decision SCOTUS makes no matter what (though on that note, their verdict won't be that direct anyways).

 

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The shifting continues, wonder what their narrative will be next week?
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Right on schedule.

https://twitter.com/RAZ0RFIST/status/1329173771102523392

Maybe a little early, actually. But you can see it starting to bubble up. The second one of these states flips, or even comes close to flipping...

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

Pretty much.

Think about it - say for the sake of argument that the Republicans even did pre-emptive lawfare.

Guess what? True originalists and so on would not stand for it, because it's literally what the neoliberals do in another guise.

It's the problem of having any kind of principles - it's a weak point that true believers can attack you with, and the liberals have far more true believers in their civic religion, because being a true believer in that civic religion is a pretty good way to get material rewards like money and fame.

The fuck is wrong with having principles? The Left has true believers because they actually have genuine beliefs to hold onto, while all of the right's main beliefs of family, hope and belief in something bigger then yourself have slowly died. If they got those back, they'd have a reason to fight even more than they do now.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

The shifting continues, wonder what their narrative will be next week?
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We coming for you (((Nathaniel Cohen)))

 

[Meat Target]

The shifting continues, wonder what their narrative will be next week?
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"How dare you subvert our subversion!"

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

Even if he hires several other lawyers apart from Rudy? Even if he's reportedly paying the guy 20k a day?

That's apart from the fact that Rudy seems to have been doing a fine job in the courts thus far (though I must clarify that this may be because his opposition is in fact that bad or the cases are in fact that damning).

He still has most of his acumen from when he was younger. He's just lost a bit of it because he's kinda fat and old now and gets kinda exasperated when he talks, but that's expected with old age.

 

[ChikN10der]

You're right, other posters in the thread make points defending it that boil down to exactly that, and they all deserve to lose because of it.

Republicans deserve to lose for not cheating enough? That's retarded. You're saying a retarded thing.

Wtf does pre-emptive lawfare mean, to you? Do you even know?

Because I can tell you, if trump presented a case to any court, before the election, saying "I want this court to prevent the future cheating that I fully expect to happen" hr would rightfully have been laughed out of the courtroom, and people like you would be saying he deserves to lose for making poor legal challenges.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Damn I guess that press conference has the Dems nervous, the shills are out and busy! Lol, global warming, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel...

Imagine being such a piece of shit you voluntarily go around trying to stop the spread of information because you think it helps someone you don't like. Holy shit you people are the main problem with human civilization, and you do it for a cheap dopamine hit to your pozzed and numbed brains.

It's like selling out your family for a hit of crack.

People disagreeing with you is not "stopping the flow of information"; People are still in this thread posting good informative updates about what specific states are doing, what Trump's team is doing, etc. while you get MOTI if they even agree with you partially but still express doubt Trump will pull through or they ultimately do not think Trump could even take advantage of a second term to fix long term issues.

 

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You're right, other posters in the thread make points defending it that boil down to exactly that, and they all deserve to lose because of it.

Kris Kobach was one of the first major figures in the GOP to endorse Trump. He was truly a crusader against the 'voter fraud' that Trump is pretending to be against. Admittedly, he never really found much actual fraud, but it wasn't his fault- the campaigns he endorsed successfully disenfranchised many minorities who would have voted (D) in great numbers, through various ridiculous measures like sending out postcards that looked like spam mail and taking them off the voter roll if they didn't return the spam correctly marked.

Contrary to @X Prime, these forms of Good Ol Southern Strat voter suppression are not opposed to 'originalism' in any way. Kobach's methods were perfectly legal. You just have to have people who are willing to disenfranchise their opponents. And how did Trump reward Kobach? First he set up a voting commission to distract Kobach from his 2018 gubernatorial race, then he shut it down without letting it get anything done so that Kobach lost. Then he refused to endorse Kobach for Senate in 2020. Trump didn't care about 'voter fraud', he didn't even care about winning by following PERFECTLY LEGAL routes to disenfranchise Democrat voters.

SAD

 

[verissimus]

How so? Is it because the evidence isn't strong enough? Is it based on the past histories of the SCOTUS judges? Is it due to something in the legal process that means it somehow won't be appealed to the SCOTUS to begin with? You're proving my point, there's no substance to the odds you're giving. Paranoia is not reality nor is it objective, at best it's a literal cope so that no matter what, you won't be disappointed due to setting your expectations so low.

My assessment is based on the fact that

1) Assuming the Electors vote according to the current outcome (i.e. they don't decide to vote for Biden for whatever reason), Trump only has so much time left to present his case(s) to the respective Federal Courts and receive a favorable decision along with obtaining favorable recount/audit results in I believe 2 states;

2) Pennsylvania has already demonstrated it won't follow the Supreme Court's orders. Will they do that a 3rd time around assuming the Court's decision favors Trump and essentially not certify Biden's supposed victory? Maybe. And if they do who's going to stop them this time?;

3) Democrats have already shown their willingness to publicly (forget privately) threaten lawyers arguing on behalf of Trump' and local GOP certifiers who may cave. There's no reason to believe they won't continue being successful in this venue to the point that they succeeded in cowing enough people in the right places that would prevent Trump from flipping any or all the states he would need to win;

4) There are no "convenient" delays anywhere which would effectively run the clock against Trump; and most importantly

5) The electors vote for Biden anyway even if Trump can prove his case and flip a state or two.

That isn't paranoia or cope. That's reality.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

Being on the right side of history feels great

 

[Meat Target]

Being on the right side of history feels great
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I'd rather be on the right side of truth and reality.