2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Wait, the president can just randomly proscribe entire organisations with the insurrection act at will? How the hell did the US stay a Republic for so long?

Inertia and a gentlemen's agreement. Also, Looking at the laws involved, it appears they were mostly redone in the past 15 years or so, the most recent one being in 2016, after Trump had won but before Obama left. Was Obama considering using the Insurrection Act to put down the Deplorables?

Specifically, Trump could do this:

Trump at the Rubicon

How the Insurrection Act and Militia Act Empower Trump to Cast the Die

macris.substack.com

https://archive.vn/f4WvI

Invoke 10 USC 253, which is the latest version of the Insurrection Act. "Interference with State and Federal Law."

https://archive.vn/5rntb

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

If your right to vote is deprived, and the state can't be assed to fix it, or the state obstructs justice, Trump can move in.

As Macris points out:

1. This is solely a Presidential power. He doesn't need the States' permission. He doesn't need the SCOTUS to give him permission. Congress SPECIFICALLY REMOVED this oversight in 253.
2. There's no time limit. Congress SPECIFICALLY REMOVED the time limits that used to exist.
3. The president can use any means that he considers necessary. That means that Possee Comitatus doesn't apply -- he can use the troops. It means he can use the Militia. He can order them to do ANYTHING.
4. He doesn't have to use it against insurrections or rebellion. He can use it against "Unlawful combinations and conspiracy." In other words, if Trump decides that a conspiracy -- like organized vote rigging -- has deprived people of a right -- like the right to vote, or to have their vote count -- and believes that the authorities failed or refused to protect said right, he can send in troops.

Remember how Reid decided they'd never be out of power again and thus checks and balances could be destroyed at will? Welp. They did it in many many places, because the 0th Amendment means that the Uniparty is always in power.

In other words, thanks to 10 USC 253, Congress gave Trump the power to outright declare "I, President Trump, have determined that a conspiracy has deprived 70 million Americans of their right to vote and that the other authorities are refusing to protect this right. I therefore order the suppression of this conspiracy by any means necessary."

And there's nothing Congress can do about it. Because they passed the law already that gives him the power to do so.

So that's the "Rubicon" as Macris points out. Trump could declare the whole thing fucked and send in the troops. And the Militia.

But wait, what Militia? There's where it gets fun. Militia is 10 US 246.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Just in case you didn't catch that, that means the Militia is every single male age 17 to 45. It's not the National Guard. It's every fucking Proud Boy. It's every rural asshole with a gun. It's a not small number of pissed off vets.

Combine the two, and Trump can call on every able-bodied male from 17 to 45 to do ANYTHING he deems necessary to suppress the conspiracy to deny Americans their voting rights, which by definition means his second term.

To quote Macris's closing statement:

To repeat a statistic from earlier: 70% of Republicans think that the most recent election is illegitimate. In a functioning democracy, if 70% of the second-largest political party in the country thinks an election has been stolen, the elites come together to cooperate to investigate and restore legitimacy in the eyes of the voters.

In the US, that’s not happening. Instead, an enormous machine, consisting of tech oligopolies, liberal media, watchdog groups, and partisan activists, is doing everything it can to silence and suppress the dissenters. Simultaneously, this same machine is making enemy lists and actively declaring that when it wins, it will be taking vengeance, against Trump, against everyone who helped him, and against everyone who voted for him.

This is not a drill. This is where we are. If Trump is standing on the banks of the Rubicon, it’s because the leftist machine has purposefully widened the Rubicon River until it reaches his feet.

Clear-headed left-wingers — if there are any left — need to step in and deescalate the threats against Trump and his supporters, and listen to 70 million Americans clamoring for fair and fraud-free voting. There is still time.

Otherwise, as another great military leader put it, “when on death ground, you must fight.”

It's not just Trump that they're underestimating and pushing to the edge. It's the half of the country that voted for him.

This does bring up an interesting question to me. The left seemed fucking DESPERATE to goad Trump into invoking the insurrection act on Antifa all summer.

Were they hoping that he'd do it and the RBG's SCOTUS would hamstring this power of his so he couldn't do it now?

 

[Garm]

And aren't we a federal republic more than a "Democracy?'

From my experience with Lolbertarians they are just liberals who are either

Diddlers or just left wing flexible (they are libs but they want to dabble on meme magic or wants to have guns but would push for gun control.) Basically the Skeptic community on steroids

Yes. We are a republic. Doesn't matter to these people because they have been fed the steady lie that "we are a democracy."

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Wait, the president can just randomly proscribe entire organisations with the insurrection act at will? How the hell did the US stay a Republic for so long?


And once they've lost track of what anything means, they can convince themselves that getting a senile old neolib who will screw over anyone who isn't in the top 0.1% (or happens to have the prerequisites for teaching critical theory) into office is "winning".

According to the article that was linked, all restrictions on the usage of the Insurrection Act were removed in 2006, because somebody thought that was a good idea. As for the bigger picture, the notion of "fuck you, I'm the government" began either with the Civil War or the New Deal, depending on who you ask, and somehow it has generally restrained itself from exercising this power too blatantly.

Inertia and a gentlemen's agreement. Also, Looking at the laws involved, it appears they were mostly redone in the past 15 years or so, the most recent one being in 2016, after Trump had won but before Obama left. Was Obama considering using the Insurrection Act to put down the Deplorables?

Specifically, Trump could do this:

Trump at the Rubicon

How the Insurrection Act and Militia Act Empower Trump to Cast the Die

macris.substack.com

https://archive.vn/f4WvI

Invoke 10 USC 253, which is the latest version of the Insurrection Act. "Interference with State and Federal Law."

https://archive.vn/5rntb

If your right to vote is deprived, and the state can't be assed to fix it, or the state obstructs justice, Trump can move in.

As Macris points out:

1. This is solely a Presidential power. He doesn't need the States' permission. He doesn't need the SCOTUS to give him permission. Congress SPECIFICALLY REMOVED this oversight in 253.
2. There's no time limit. Congress SPECIFICALLY REMOVED the time limits that used to exist.
3. The president can use any means that he considers necessary. That means that Possee Comitatus doesn't apply -- he can use the troops. It means he can use the Militia. He can order them to do ANYTHING.
4. He doesn't have to use it against insurrections or rebellion. He can use it against "Unlawful combinations and conspiracy." In other words, if Trump decides that a conspiracy -- like organized vote rigging -- has deprived people of a right -- like the right to vote, or to have their vote count -- and believes that the authorities failed or refused to protect said right, he can send in troops.

Remember how Reid decided they'd never be out of power again and thus checks and balances could be destroyed at will? Welp. They did it in many many places, because the 0th Amendment means that the Uniparty is always in power.

In other words, thanks to 10 USC 253, Congress gave Trump the power to outright declare "I, President Trump, have determined that a conspiracy has deprived 70 million Americans of their right to vote and that the other authorities are refusing to protect this right. I therefore order the suppression of this conspiracy by any means necessary."

And there's nothing Congress can do about it. Because they passed the law already that gives him the power to do so.

So that's the "Rubicon" as Macris points out. Trump could declare the whole thing fucked and send in the troops. And the Militia.

But wait, what Militia? There's where it gets fun. Militia is 10 US 246.



Just in case you didn't catch that, that means the Militia is every single male age 17 to 45. It's not the National Guard. It's every fucking Proud Boy. It's every rural asshole with a gun. It's a not small number of pissed off vets.

Combine the two, and Trump can call on every able-bodied male from 17 to 45 to do ANYTHING he deems necessary to suppress the conspiracy to deny Americans their voting rights, which by definition means his second term.

To quote Macris's closing statement:



It's not just Trump that they're underestimating and pushing to the edge. It's the half of the country that voted for him.

This does bring up an interesting question to me. The left seemed fucking DESPERATE to goad Trump into invoking the insurrection act on Antifa all summer.

Were they hoping that he'd do it and the RBG's SCOTUS would hamstring this power of his so he couldn't do it now?

As an addendum, let me point out that in the first post I made on the matter, I specifically meant that if Trump invoked the Insurrection Act in the same words as the article uses as an example, it would grant each individual militiaman carte blanche to utilize his own judgement to take whatever means he deemed required to preserve the voting rights of the 70 million. Given that this means Trump would be--without hyperbole--setting the Right-Wing Death Squads loose to kill anyone they damned well pleased if they thought it would help, any actual order Trump issues will probably be more clearly worded.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Transcript of the Giuliani/Powell/Ellis press conference

https://ia601400.us.archive.org/29/items/election-fraud-press-conference-11.19.20/Election Fraud Press Conference 11.19.20.pdf

Academic Agent covers it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e34TdNblpeM
https://archive.vn/wip/T629P

 

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Transcript of the Giuliani/Powell/Ellis press conference

https://ia601400.us.archive.org/29/items/election-fraud-press-conference-11.19.20/Election Fraud Press Conference 11.19.20.pdf

If Dominion has employees that have flipped, well, we're gonna see some shit.

 

[There'll be another time]

Half the reason I want Trump to cross the Rubicon is that I find the notion of a post collapse North American kingdoms fighting to be declared the "Trump" (similar to how Caesar birthed Kaiser, Tsar, and such) to be absolutely hilarious

 

[Puff]

Half the reason I want Trump to cross the Rubicon is that I find the notion of a post collapse North American kingdoms fighting to be declared the "Trump" (similar to how Caesar birthed Kaiser, Tsar, and such) to be absolutely hilarious

Funny thing is the title actually works.
Edit: Holy shit, this is the meme timeline. We broke it, guys.

 

[ZeroCool]

If you actually believe that there's significant voter fraud that will flip the election to Trump, you're probably retarded.

Christopher Krebs, head of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at DHS, said that there was no significant voter fraud and the election process went smoothly. Result? Trump fired him via Tweet.

Trump's lawsuits are failing, and failing badly across the country. Lawyers have been jumping ship.

Joe Biden won with 306 Electoral Votes, and Trump has deemed that number as a 'landslide win.' So, get over it. Trump lost in a 'landslide'.

Statistical evidence across the battleground States shows that Republicans bypassed Trump and either voted for Joe or a 3rd party. candidate. Those same people voted for Republicans down ticket.

Trump lost. Stop dreaming. If you can grasp the reality of the situation: you're just another Low IQ Trump Republican.

GO ON! GET! GET BACK TO YOUR TRAILER.

 

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If you actually believe that there's significant voter fraud that will flip the election to Trump, you're probably retarded.

Christopher Krebs, head of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at DHS, said that there was no significant voter fraud and the election process went smoothly. Result? Trump fired him via Tweet.

Trump's lawsuits are failing, and failing badly across the country. Lawyers have been jumping ship.

Joe Biden won with 306 Electoral Votes, and Trump has deemed that number as a 'landslide win.' So, get over it. Trump lost in a 'landslide'.

Statistical evidence across the battleground States shows that Republicans bypassed Trump and either voted for Joe or a 3rd party. candidate. Those same people voted for Republicans down ticket.

Trump lost. Stop dreaming. If you can grasp the reality of the situation: you're just another Low IQ Trump Republican.

GO ON! GET! GET BACK TO YOUR TRAILER.

Cool story, faggot.

 

[babadook]

HaCk the pLaNeT!

What did he mean by this

 

[2021Murder]

So can anyone tell me when the magical lawsuit that will give trump the win will happen?

The fed courts are basically closed next week. Basically his team of tards have til 5 today

 

[General Disarray]

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The fucking dominion voting machines were reporting FRACTIONS of a vote?

"15.93 votes for Biden?"

How the fuck wasn't that caught earlier?

"Yeah we'll give Trump 53/100ths of a vote and Biden 47/100ths of one. That's fair right?"

How long before black people's votes count as 1-2/5?

 

[Garm]

This has to be a factor.
Since everything is going to be just dandy now under Kweenie Kamala, viewership will tank harder than Bernie did post-super Tuesday.
What are they going to talk about now?
- Wu flu? Even neoliberals are getting tired of lockdowns, and they're usually the biggest cucks for following what the TV says.
- Ex-President Trump? No one who still watches TV will care following Jan 22 unless CNN wants to resort to reporting about Twitter spergs demanding he be locked up or some shit.
- Riots that will inevitably happen every time a jogger loses his sneakers? Such things will never ackshually happen under the Kween's watch, so you can't report that either.
- Dicksuck the Harris administration? Nobody watches the news for positive coverage. Even airports would change the channel.

A part of me wants a Biden Administration just to watch the media landscape collapse and try to rebuild itself.

AT&T is trying to dump CNN despite a COVID stimulus that will probably come from Biden. So CNN should still make money in one form or another.

So AT&T is either thinking "CNN isn't worth keeping despite stimulus checks" or "Things are so bad we can't keep CNN."

Then we HuffPost being bought by Buzzfeed. Other smaller sites have already been folded into other companies.

The media is going to keep cannibalizing itself until they start doing actual quality journalism. Which isn't going to happen because they are in a death spiral.

 

[ZeroCool]

I've seen a lot of talk regarding the 2000 election. They still counted votes, after the Supreme Court decision. They just wouldn't be "official". If all legitimate votes were counted, Gore would have won.

This was known in 2001, where's the Republican outrage?

 

[Kane Lives]

A part of me wants a Biden Administration just to watch the media landscape collapse and try to rebuild itself.

AT&T is trying to dump CNN despite a COVID stimulus that will probably come from Biden. So CNN should still make money in one form or another.

So AT&T is either thinking "CNN isn't worth keeping despite stimulus checks" or "Things are so bad we can't keep CNN."

Then we HuffPost being bought by Buzzfeed. Other smaller sites have already been folded into other companies.

The media is going to keep cannibalizing itself until they start doing actual quality journalism. Which isn't going to happen because they are in a death spiral.

I'm only rating you optimistic because I think you're missing something important. The media outlets as they are now serve another, infinitely more useful purpose: as propaganda machines. It's why newspaper tycoons of old were hugely influential, why Bezos bought himself the Washington Post.

If you think for a minute that these platforms won't be subsidised by money funneled in from elsewhere, well, I daresay you have a far more optimistic take on the current media landscape than I do.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Half the reason I want Trump to cross the Rubicon is that I find the notion of a post collapse North American kingdoms fighting to be declared the "Trump" (similar to how Caesar birthed Kaiser, Tsar, and such) to be absolutely hilarious

If Trump is Caesar and Barron is Octavian then maybe the title they fight for will be Barron.

Or maybe both. Maybe the royal title will include 'Barron', 'Trump', 'President' and 'Emperor' rather in the way that medieval monarchs picked up all sorts of epithets like 'Defender of the Faith' along the generations.

I've seen a lot of talk regarding the 2000 election. They still counted votes, after the Supreme Court decision. They just wouldn't be "official". If all legitimate votes were counted, Gore would have won.

This was known in 2001, where's the Republican outrage?

Give up dude, Bush won.

 

[ZeroCool]

Cool story, faggot.

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Nice reply, tard. I know it must have been hard for you to form a sentence.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

If you actually believe that there's significant voter fraud that will flip the election to Trump, you're probably retarded.

Christopher Krebs, head of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at DHS, said that there was no significant voter fraud and the election process went smoothly. Result? Trump fired him via Tweet.

Trump's lawsuits are failing, and failing badly across the country. Lawyers have been jumping ship.

Joe Biden won with 306 Electoral Votes, and Trump has deemed that number as a 'landslide win.' So, get over it. Trump lost in a 'landslide'.

Statistical evidence across the battleground States shows that Republicans bypassed Trump and either voted for Joe or a 3rd party. candidate. Those same people voted for Republicans down ticket.

Trump lost. Stop dreaming. If you can grasp the reality of the situation: you're just another Low IQ Trump Republican.

GO ON! GET! GET BACK TO YOUR TRAILER.

Well, since you clearly didn't read the thread, let me spell out the situation for you:

Donald Trump, as President of the United States, has the power, granted to him by the United States Congress, to declare that a coup is underway, and thereby order--ORDER--every male citizen between the ages of 17 and 45 to take up arms and do whatever they deem necessary to ensure that the coup is defeated, failure to comply is at best desertion and at worst treason: both are punishable by death. He can issue this without restriction and with no legal means to tell him off. The only way to stop him would be by force, and who is going to do that for you? The military? They fucking love Trump. AntiFa and BLM? They can't handle fucking tear gas, let alone bullets. Donald Trump can literally order the death of everyone in this country who does not want him to be President for a second term, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

My suggestion? Get on your knees and pray to the God you deny exists that Donald Trump is not another Adolf Hitler.

 

[Kane Lives]

Well, since you clearly didn't read the thread, let me spell out the situation for you:

Donald Trump, as President of the United States, has the power, granted to him by the United States Congress, to declare that a coup is underway, and thereby order--ORDER--every male citizen between the ages of 17 and 45 to take up arms and do whatever they deem necessary to ensure that the coup is defeated, failure to comply is at best desertion and at worst treason: both are punishable by death. He can issue this without restriction and with no legal means to tell him off. The only way to stop him would be by force, and who is going to do that for you? The military? They fucking love Trump. AntiFa and BLM? They can't handle fucking tear gas, let alone bullets. Donald Trump can literally order the death of everyone in this country who does not want him to be President for a second term, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

My suggestion? Get on your knees and pray to the God you deny exists that Donald Trump is not another Adolf Hitler.

Man, when put it that way, Hitler would have loved this very situation. He wouldn't have had to wait till Hindenburg croaked to grab that final bit of power, and would have gotten the Nazi party entrenched in power in the 1920s, instead of the mid-1930s.

 

[ZeroCool]

Well, since you clearly didn't read the thread, let me spell out the situation for you:

Donald Trump, as President of the United States, has the power, granted to him by the United States Congress, to declare that a coup is underway, and thereby order--ORDER--every male citizen between the ages of 17 and 45 to take up arms and do whatever they deem necessary to ensure that the coup is defeated, failure to comply is at best desertion and at worst treason: both are punishable by death. He can issue this without restriction and with no legal means to tell him off. The only way to stop him would be by force, and who is going to do that for you? The military? They fucking love Trump. AntiFa and BLM? They can't handle fucking tear gas, let alone bullets. Donald Trump can literally order the death of everyone in this country who does not want him to be President for a second term, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

My suggestion? Get on your knees and pray to the God you deny exists that Donald Trump is not another Adolf Hitler.

The Military hierarchy hates Trump. He goes through Defense Secretaries faster than he does Russian prostitutes. Trump's had to fire several high ranking military leaders from his administration because they wouldn't take his shit. It started with Mad Dog Mattis.

Bookmark this post, or remember my name, and message me on January 21st.