2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Gustav Schuchardt said:
Also, I think your screenshot has down quantized down from 24-bit color to a 256 color palette by some very badly coded software that quantized so badly that the background has visible Floyd Steinberg dithering.
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Strong enough to sink her career over? I don't buy that. I can understand if she has an animus toward members of the intelligence community because of what happened to Flynn, but to go so far as to claim this is some kind of CIA orchestrated plot when it's incredible enough as it is to demonstrate there was widespread voter fraud (something I still believe was possible but thanks to the mail-in ballots among other things) is flat out retarded. There is simply no need to drag the CIA in on this.
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Only thing I can think of that could be plausible is some CIA agent who is part of the division that messes around with foreign government structures gave some pointers to a Dem friend in exchange for a favor. That is still technically a “CIA plot/rouge agent conspiracy”, while being believable. This is a literal wild guess, assuming that what she is stating rings true, so that grain of salt might be better used somewhere else.
 
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FreeYourDoodies said:
I don't know if this thread really taught me anything about the US Election, but @EmuWarsVeteran 's posts taught me that I sure as fuck don't want to go to Spain.
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I mean, it's really not that bad. I know this might surprise you to hear, but we have a very healthy amount of european migrants (current estimate puts them at near half our migrant population, which currently accounts for 11% of our population and at its peak reached 14%. So yeah I don't think it's bias when I tell you, life's good over here... For foreigners at least. Because we also have an extreme amount of emigrants from spain, in fact you'll be hard pressed to find a western country that isn't currently developping a considerably large segment of spanish migrants.

See, shit is. Despite all I said before, we are the second longest lived country on the planet. And have an extremely low criminality, and a violent criminality rating so low it breaks most statistical models. (And that's despite Barcelona being one of the highest non-violent criminality ratings in europe. The rest of the country is safe enough to carry us to the bottom anyway, indeed if you cut off catalonia spain would have the lowest criminality and violent criminality in the EU.) We're in fact so safe that despite having been on terrorism alarm level 4 for over a decade and a half now due to islamist attempts we're also the western european country with the lowest successful attempts for that period. Our healthcare is ranked amongst the top 3 (alongside germany and japan) on nearly all international models, our academia also ranks near the top pretty much every single year, and in general living conditions for middle class and above are extremely good over here. And we also have the lowest amount of censorship amongst western europe!

I'd say those are very good reasons to live here. But thing is: if you're wondering whether or not spain is for you. Ask yourself two questions: Can you ensure you'll still have a stable source of income? (read: work at home, retired, telecommuting.) And can you afford to buy the home either directly or with a lease that isn't incredibly hard to pay back? If the answer to those two questions is yes, then you'll probably love it here. The whole southern andalusian coast is filled with american and european people who agree with me on this one! In fact we got so many brits living over here that they did multitudinary protests carrying the banners of spain and the UK during brexit to ask for immediate negotiations on residence permits because they thought brexit would challenge that, I'd say if spain was so bad they wouldn't be protesting to stay here now would they. Btw if you're wondering this prompted our minister to start a program to ensure that, but Boris Johnson... Borised it. So we'll see how that develops, for now our government is reasuring them they can stay if Boris isn't too much of a cunt and unilaterally screws everyone over. But this is Johnson, he can't be trusted to not screw it up.

For the best example of this I'd say look at Puerta Del Mar. The biggest hospital in Cadiz. I already talked on the Wuhan thread about it but long story short, it's a completely statistics-defying beast. It's one of europe's best hospitals, so much so that even after being ransacked for supplies by Madrid and Seville it managed to contain the outbreaks to the professionals and keep the patients safe, allowing for Cadiz to be one of the safest provinces in spain for the whole outbreak. Despite it's age it's near perfectly up to date, with some of the best maintenance, equipment and instalations. So much so it's regularly used for backup on what is otherwise one of the worst handled healthcare systems in spain, and indeed on one of the lowest lived areas... And that's precisely why I say it's statistics-defying. Cadiz is currently dealing with the corruption of Los Pascuales, and is one of the poorest provinces in spain. Resulting in one of the lowest life expectancies for the rural and eastern regions. With the only exception being the west, namely the area served by Puerta del Mar. How the fuck could a hospital this good be located in the middle of an area this battered is downright dumbfounding.

And the answer is initiative. Cadiz has a lot of emigration, a LOT, even to other areas in spain because of the issues on the province. But our emigrants regularly donate to the province what they can, because they nearly all wish to go back. I know this first hand because I am one of them. And you'll see if you check public work on the province most of it is funded by private individuals, near all of them being middle class emigrants. Puerta del Mar is the focus of this. Precisely because we are all so keenly aware of the bullshit Los Pascuales pulled and how Puerta del Mar is standing between them and total control of the province's healthcare, it's been an extreme amount of effort by completely unrelated individuals keeping it affloat, and its become a bit of a symbol for those of us who wish to find a way to go back home.

And yet in a way, this has created another, and extremely odd situation. You see, Puerta del Mar has some of the best installations in the country, true, it can replace its machinery with top of the line stuff and find ways to hire the country's top experts (on top of being fueled by Cadiz University being Spain's top medical and biological formation center, giving it direct access to the most priced students on the field), when it comes to the best things a hospital could have, it will never lack them. We just ain't got any fucking LOCKERS. Yeah that's a thing... See, over a decade ago it had an issue where the changing rooms had to be remade, and the lockers had to be taken out due to the new amount of employees making it too slow to change in such crammed environment if they stayed. Since then it's been implementing "temporary" measures such as using the lockers of the neighboring nurse school, getting the security guards to take care of the personal belongings, or just telling the professionals to leave their stuff on a bag on their rooms.

Since that issue happened it's had multiple possible solutions. But they all either get vetoed by the directives for being too expensive or the unions for whatever reason (honestly the unions have been wrong on that one multiple times now, I do blame them for this issue continuing.) And so "temporary" measures have become permanent ones in all but name, indeed during Corona it seemed like the issue was getting fixed but nope the directives went and fucked it again once more.

So yeah for the foreseeable future we'll have it easier finding top of the line medical hardware than finding room to put lockers in. That's a fucking thing it'll have to deal with. Welcome to spain motherfuckers! We defy logic, both ways!

You might then question why we're in this weird ass situation. I think this quote attributed to Otto Von Bismark says it best: ‘I am firmly convinced that Spain is the strongest country of the world. Century after century trying to destroy herself and still no success’

See shit about spain is. Well our censorship really is low. And every attempt by the PP at censoring stuff has only resulted in more backlash. As a result the country is always looking like it's about to collapse, but it never really does. 'Cause we make a big stink and force our assholes in charge to fix it before it's too late... Or at least we do that most times. The fact that Aznar, Zapatero and Rajoi happened certainly curbs this. But it works most of the time! You won't hear spaniards talking about dignity in defeat that's for sure... Well Sanchez did but there's a reason most people hate the slimy bastard. For the most part, we are not scared to fight each other openly and vehemently. And sure, that does mean we look worse than the UK. But if we were truly worse we wouldn't have their middle class migrating here and their lower class leeching off of our healthcare now would we. Appearances aren't everything, and while a large portion of our infrastructure is out of date and the living conditions of the lower class are still very, VERY bad compared with most of western europe. Well we've managed to stay within acceptable parameters of awful by sheer thickheaded infighting for ages now. It works, it just doesn't look like it works.

There is also the simple fact that we've gotten used to living under a higher class that's frankly very immobile. You'll find if you trace spain's powerful families through the ages the picture doesn't change much. Hell the Casa de Alba has been the most powerful house in andalusia since the Hasburgs were around, and most current higher classes can directly trace their lineage to Franco's regime with only a few exceptions that gained their status through backdoor deals.

This has caused an... Interesting situation where we have an upper middle class that has mostly accepted this situation. It is very well known here that if you wanna be rich, you should not become a scientist. This is just accepted. As a result you look at our academia and you'll be hard pressed to find a single suit. They all look and act like lower classes, and you'll find they ARE basically lower middle class people who spend the rest of their money on funding their own research. Because if they weren't motivated enough they wouldn't be there. This is why despite the EU's attempts at murdering biotech we're amongst the world's leads on that front and our patents fuel the american GMO field and german chemical industry regularly. We've gotten used to living under minimums, and that's also why so many spanish emigrants have it so easy to find jobs, many business actively discriminate in favor of them on that regard. Quite simply, we've been battered so often we stopped caring. And this comes from old! You can see the same situation even as far back as the birth of La Pepa in 1812, and that's just when they started being really open about it. It just never stopped.

So this causes the strange situation of being a country administered by some of the most nepotistic, incompetent, corrupt idiots on this planet, but pushed forth by some of the most motivated, classical liberal minded, technocratic badasses you'll find. The result is a country that manges to make the seemingly impossible happens, but also routinely fucks up even the most basic maintenance procedures. In a way it's as if the whole country shared my mental disorder. For those not in the loop, aspergers and obsessive adhd have one thing in common: obsessive tendencies allowing for surprising amount of focus, but also incapacity to focus regularly leading to said concentration being misplaced or veering off at seemingly random intervals. This can best be exemplified on math exams, people with these disorders can seem well above their classmates on the hardest calculations, but will regularly fuck up the actual basic shit, like being able to perfectly execute an integral function just to get a bad result because at the last moment you added where you should substract. Well that's spain for you. On the fields it does well it's close to the top or at the top to a point that makes you wonder how it hasn't managed to become a superpower. But then you see people debate what 2+2 is and even worse one side says it's 5 while the other claims it's 3 and you wonder how the country has managed to exist for this long. And in a way those questions answer each other. Spain doesn't do normal, but it sure does weird, and that's ok... somehow.

I guess what I mean with all this is, don't let my doomerism convince you spain's truly that bad. It's really not. It's just that we're very aware of the things we do poorly and have a tendency towards self deprecation. And that's ok. Certainly beats being "polite" and allowing the cunts in charge to think we don't see through their bullshit like the brits do.

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My best guess is real juicy stuff starts at page 24. Past that point it shows the people manning Dominion in Colorado, then the recommendations and then the customers. Many of the things on the recommendations strike me as possible openings and obviously the names of their staff are doxx heaven, but I don't know for sure so I'll check more this afternoon.

Übertroon said:
Time for a @antiPOTUS account
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@USPIE (United States President In Exile) (Yes I did want very badly to make it ASPIE for maximum meme magic but had to settle for second best.)
 
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Evo said:
A lot of this relies on misconceptions like the Reich economy didn't work outside of war, which is patently untrue - unemployment vanished two years prior to rearmament ever actually beginning, and this wasn't just chalked up to the arms industry - it could be argued that the arms industry was vastly underpaid in comparison to the actual labor put into their work by German industrial workers but it was agreed by even the British at the time that German service sectors and agricultural sectors were vastly overpaid for their labor, and quality of life outside of the industrial sector skyrocketed in comparison to the German quality of life pre-1933.

"The German armament program did not really get going until after the war against the Soviets was underway. We started with 3,260 tanks. That's all we had, but the Soviets had 10,000. At that time our monthly production was 35 tanks. Imagine that! It wasn't until October 1944 that we reached the high point of our production of 1,000 tanks per month. So, our monthly production of tanks went from 35 in 1941 to 1,000 in late 1944. That's quite a difference, and it's proof that we were simply not militarily prepared for a world war." - Otto Remer.

Economists like Ludwig von Mises who were chief advisors to people like Engelbert Dollfuss along with Conservative stalwarts like Schacht utilized temporary measures that didn't work in long-term to begin with, their theories were short-term posturing for growth: in regards to Mises, he had allowed Austrian banks to lend at sixty times their capacity two years into the Wall Street crash, this led to the collapse of the Austrian banking system which pulled the rug under the Hungarian government; their currency, the Fenic, was rendered worthless in a year - the Reich attempted to revert this but you can't revert that without actually seizing and nationalizing Austrian industry, and by 1937, Hungary was considering an alliance with Germany, so some sort of economic solution was literally required.

Schacht used MEFO bills which were based in an imaginary company (MEFO) and there was no way MEFO bills would actually work after rearmament began, so yes, he'd been sacked - Gottfried Feder was far more responsible for Reich economics than Walther Funk himself ever was, so I ultimately discard the role of Walther Funk following the sacking of Schacht.

"The aims of the present regulation of production can be summarized in a few words. First, the securing of supplies of raw materials for industry. All measures serving this aim are included in the Four-Years-Plan the aim of which is to make Germany as independent as possible of imports by increasing domestic production.

Second, an increase in domestic agricultural production with the aim of making Germany, as far as possible, self-sufficient in the field of foodstuffs.

Germany has only a few raw materials and has always been faced with the necessity of importing the greater part of her raw material requirements. But as you realize, imports can only be paid for out of export proceeds or other credit items in the balance of payments such as shipping, insurance, or proceeds from capital investments abroad. As a result of the War, Germany is no longer a creditor but a debtor country. In other words, she was burdened with a tremendous indebtedness and had at her disposal no great income from investments abroad, while her other income from abroad is today less than it was before the War. Germany must therefore limit her imports to the extent of her exports, with the consequence that Germany's raw material and foodstuffs imports are dependent on the amount of goods which other countries are able and willing to take from her in payment."
The German government follows no definite theory in establishing the methods by which intervention in the field of production is to be accomplished. This is one of the most characteristic traits of National-Socialist economic policy. In combatting unemployment, the government did not follow one theory such as the theory of direct public works or the theory of the stimulation of private initiative, but followed both theories impartially according as to which seemed best at the time. The same is true of the regulation of production.

The various measures may be classified as: 1. indirect and 2. direct.

The State undertakes indirect measures when it intervenes not in production and capital investment themselves but in conditions which govern them.

There are four special groups of indirect measures:

1. Regulation of taxes, especially reduction of taxes.

For example, in order to revive automobile production, which was at an extremely low level, and thus to stimulate motorization in Germany, which had lagged far behind the level of motorization in other countries, as early as 1933 the Government abolished the tax on all new passenger cars, later extending this to all automobiles. This made automobiles much cheaper and increased the sales of the industry. In the last five years, these measures together with the economic upswing have brought about a great advance in automobile sales and a great improvement in German motorization. In 1932, only 19 out of every 1,000 people in Germany owned cars as compared with 41 in France and 37 in Great Britain; today, however, the figure for Germany is 35 in every 1,000, as compared with about 51 per thousand in France and Great Britain.

A further example of regulation of production by means of tax reductions was the exemption of short term capital goods from income tax. After 1933 the value of these goods could be deducted from taxable income of the individual and from the taxable profits of an enterprise. This stimulated the purchase of such goods and was a means of increasing the low activity of the capital goods industry. The elasticity of the National-Socialist economic policy can be seen in the fact that this measure was repealed as soon as the capital goods industry was fully employed.

2. The second means of indirect regulation of production is price policy. This can take place in two ways: by a reduction in costs and by an increase in, or guarantee of, sales prices. These methods have been chiefly used in the field of agriculture, where production reacts quickly to price changes. An example of this reduction may be seen in the prices for artificial fertilizer, farm machinery and agricultural implements. On the other hand, by a scaling of farm prices it has been possible to increase considerably the acreage given over to winter barley, the production of fiber plants and oil fruits, and the number of sheep.

3. Closely related to this price policy is tariff policy, the utilization of which is necessary where domestic goods compete with foreign products. This is particularly important in the case of agricultural products, the prices of which are considerably lower on the world market than in Germany. Special boards have been set up in order to compensate for these differences in prices, and are empowered to regulate imports.

4. The last method of indirect regulation of production is the prohibition of new private issues on the capital market. Since new issues are permitted only for special purposes all those branches of trade and industry which are shut off from the capital market are thus limited in their capital investment possibilities. They can only extend their plants, etc., to the degree that their own funds allow. Thus in 1933 a special board was set up under the control of the Reichsbank, to which application must be made before new issues are floated. Permission is only granted for private issues in the case of companies which serve the ends of the Four-Years-Plan, where, moreover, no other possibility of financing their work exists.

It should be noted that the form of rearmament that Germany used to spur economic growth from 1935-onward was no different than the American model used to spur growth out of the Great Depression - rearmament is essentially what saved the American economy, but the reality is if America hadn't actually successfully used the results of rearmament, they would've experienced the same hyperinflation that Germany experienced in 1945 - snapshotting German economics in 1945 as a point of criticism is considerably poor considering by 1945, most German industry had been bombed, sabotaged, or flatout lost - the German heartland started to experience massive fucking bombing campaigns by 1944, and the rest of Europe saw bombing campaigns as early as 1943; were one to snapshot German economics in, say, 1941, and the war were to end two years later, then you'd be hardpressed to say that a magical bubble of hyperinflation would've been seen considering the Reich would've had access to a long-list of resources - from oil in Bessarabia to the Caucasus, German arms industry would've still been fairly well-equipped, but deprioritized and would've been reverted to the status of 1933, where the service sectors and agricultural sectors saw high investment and subsidy in order to recover from armament.

As for practicality of winning the war, that's an entirely different debate which leads to a long-list of spergpoints that armchair historians on both sides have argued over since 1955; war with the Soviets was inevitable, whether or not Hitler himself began the war - allowing Stalin to proceed with full modernization instead of seizing the moment when the Soviets had just lost 200,000+ soldiers to the Finnish of all people in a grand display of their military incompetence would've assuredly likely led to a red Europe in larger ways than 1945 ever did.

The "Socialism" of National Socialism lay alongside military Keynesianism and vague aspects of Corporatism that were inspired by earlier examples of Syndicalist economics, it's extremely hard to apply an economic sense of purism in judgment to Reich economics, considering half of the NSDAP themselves said there was no single economic theory in nazi doctrine - Italy used the same economic model without rearmament, and saw the same results: the implication that 'rearmament' is a requirement of fascist economics implies that Italy successfully rearmed (or tried to), and they clearly didn't pay a bit of fucking priority to their military industry, as seen in how vastly fucking incompetent their military was come wartime, and how backwards much of their equipment was - their lack of access to raw materials wasn't the only reason, considering most Italian steel & iron was put to public works programs that extended themselves until 1945.

In regards to the books (I've read Tooze's books on the 'unsustainability' of the German economy):

My sperg is over, don't mean to detract from the current ramblings in the thread.
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It is only election tampering when it happens to Democrats.

Also probably late on this one.
 
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Smarty Pants said:
Why the fuck doesn't the US government just make the software itself?
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Because half the government wants to exploit the vulnerabilities outsourcing it would make available, and having it outsourced allows them to cut the other half out of the loop AND gives them plausible deniability if the vulnerabilities are caught.

"We had no idea Dominion was this bad, we just went with the standard vendor process and golly gee, it turned out they were bad people. Gosh, who could have known?"

Wikileaks has emails of them openly talking about how shit Dominion is years ago. So they knew. They knew and not only did they keep using it, they spread it throughout as many swing states as they could.
 
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EmuWarsVeteran said:
.. For foreigners at least.
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Its getting worse every year for expats... and for tourists...
It was a realy bad idea to let people vote on beach restrictions and to let in illegals by the boat load.
Bulgarians hunt down negroes trying to sell BS at the beach, they also dont care if drunk half naked people run around the place...

there is very little high skill work immigration to spain. they get some farmers from the netherrealm and some high tech workers to run the pathetic industry they have...


FreeYourDoodies said:
I don't know if this thread really taught me anything about the US Election, but @EmuWarsVeteran 's posts taught me that I sure as fuck don't want to go to Spain.
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Its pretty safe, the weather is good and you can speak english in most places. wine is fine, you can get decent beer in every bar aimed at germans/russians/dutch/norse.
Water is clean, woman are pretty. Its better than italy or greece as a retirement or hollyday place.
I Would say Portugal is a bit better than spain, they are way more pozzed, but food and wine realy realy good and woman look better than spanish ones-
 
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Übertroon said:
Kinda interesting how the media is insisting the recent federal court ruling was Trump's last legal avenue, implying people haven't been memeing for weeks that this will end with Clarence Thomas pulling a "However..."
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They better be right and they better have the evidence they have been telling everyone they do and most importantly they better win, cause if they dont this is the shit that leaves a permanent stain on your surname.
 
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i hope he constantly fucking trolls that cunt boris and the jew president for showing they ain't loyal
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Agreed

All becomes gunt said:
They better be right and they better have the evidence they have been telling everyone they do and most importantly they better win, cause if they dont this is the shit that leaves a permanent stain on your surname.
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If Biden wins Powell will get Michael Flynned, I'm guessing that will be more of a concern to her than the stain.
 
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