2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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There are three arenas here; the public one, the media one and the judicial one. I'm going to point out a couple of things about the judicial one. Constitutional law, in particular as to how it relates to elections, is a rather specialized area of law. Giuliani and Powell, as far as I know, are neither experienced or experts in this field. We do know one firm that does have experience in this area backed off. I don't know anything about Rudy and Sidney's law firms, their history or practice.

People like Giuliani and Powell don't try cases all by themselves; they have, and have always had, an army of associates who research and write briefs. The attorney in charge is suppose to be able to pick out the arguments with the best merit, precedence and chance of success.

To argue a case before SCOTUS a lawyer has to be admitted to the SCOTUS bar. Again, I don't know if either Rudy or Sidney have the necessary credentials (and I certainly hope Rudy will be sitting this one out because he doesn't look up to the job, hair dye notwithstanding).

Then there is submitting an appeal to, getting a case accepted by and then arguing a case before SCOTUS. Entire books have been written about the subject. Each Justice has their own areas of specialization, philosophy and style. A huge part of bringing a case before SCOTUS is knowing how to craft an appeal that will interest the majority of the Justices so they'll accept it. Part of this is psychology, ie, having knowledge of the Justices themselves, their history prior and subsequent to their appointment, speeches they have given, articles they have written, private practice/lower court rulings, previous employment, etc. For example, Ginsburg was an open book before her appointment as she had written a lot for law reviews and argued several cases.

There is also the murky and rarely talked about issue of political and peer pressure. Justices are human beings, with families, interests and of course ego. They are susceptible to the same influence and emotions everyone else is. Anyone who believes the Justices, all of them, are not being subjected to intense pressure if even a single one of Trump's cases comes before the Court is fooling themselves. They face being remembered as the Court that either gave a hated (by the MSM/political class) President a second term or made a meat puppet with Alzheimers President.

Either way they and their families will be in for a lot of attention, most of it not good. We already know Roberts lacks a backbone, Sotomayor and Kagan will side with libs and each other and Breyer usually, but not always, leans liberal. Thomas, Alito and the Trump appointees are constructionists. Both Democrats and Republicans are going to apply pressure if they haven't already.

What do we know about the cases, what law firm(s) filed and who argued them before the courts? Not as exciting as dick pictures but a better indication of how this will end. This is an area that's not talked much except when there's a ruling against Trump. Also, this has to wrapped fast so there's no hunting for knowledgeable and/or experienced lawyers.

Fast, as in the deadlines for certification are nearly here; tomorrow is the certification deadline for PA and MI.
cruz is a scotus lawyer having argued cases before scotus. whats he up to? his podcast hasnt been updated in a while. his latest said trump needs better lawyers.

if lawyers dont represent trump becauss they're a fraid of being firebombed what legal remedy would trump have?
 
Fast, as in the deadlines for certification are nearly here; tomorrow is the certification deadline for PA and MI.

If the PA and MI certify early and the SCOTUS declines a writ of certiorari because the case is moot then it's all over and Biden is POTUS.

How would that happen? I guess it would take two of the Republican appointees voting with the Democrats.
 
if lawyers dont represent trump becauss they're a fraid of being firebombed what legal remedy would trump have?

It seems like at that point you're in a situation analogous to when the Democrats used the KKK to intimidate people. Either you can invoke the Insurrection Act or you can basically accept that the country is no longer anything resembling a democracy.

Look at this shit

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...0-9d-new-approach-to-election-law/ar-BB1bfCt1
https://archive.vn/wip/4ffks

MSN Is saying that the Supreme Court's ruling is 'breathtakingly radical' and that Congress needs to pass legislation to enforce the changes people like Boockvar made illegally in PA legally in all states under the justification of voting rights and not disenfranchising minorities. Pelosi has said it's a top priority. It's fair to say that if they do this all future elections will be run like the ones in the disputed states this time. And I think we know which party will win such 'elections'.
 
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Fast, as in the deadlines for certification are nearly here; tomorrow is the certification deadline for PA and MI.

If the PA and MI certify early and the SCOTUS declines a writ of certiorari because the case is moot then it's all over and Biden is POTUS.

How would that happen? I guess it would take two of the Republican appointees voting with the Democrats.
It's over. Done. Finished. And once the certification happens, how much you wanna bet Congress will try to send the FBI to find Trump, get him to write a concession speech, and take him into custody the minute he finishes it?
 
The EU is not the Problem. The Greeks have pretty much closed their border and are willing to protect it with lethal force, and nobody says anything about it.

Well yes but that's because of the change in policy that happened during the crisis after brexit.

In fact we also started reinforcing our border and plan on doing the same soon enough, despite the EU's attempts to take us to court over it as seen here:


Thankfully we won that one due to the aforementioned change in policy.

We're only going slower because 1) we already had the NGO's in place. 2) Sanchez. (Don't think I even need to say anything more, just, Sanchez.) and 3) Morocco also has the USA backing it so we can't exactly bully it as hard as the greeks bully turkey, which is precisely why Morocco is considerably ballsier than Turkey.

Either way this started to get serious with Corona but the EU has started seemingly going back on allowing border control which is why I'm not sure if we'll finally get to control our border or loose to the bullshit globalists soon enough.

More concretely btw it's the ECCHR btw, those assholes have taken spain to court both in european court and even to the fucking UN time after fucking time over border regulation, even as late as 2019 we had to deal with this bullshit:


I swear they spend 90% of their time and resources just fucking with our border control. Their name is quite famous in southern spain, and akin to mentioning Satan, or Fernando VII.
 
cruz is a scotus lawyer having argued cases before scotus. whats he up to? his podcast hasnt been updated in a while. his latest said trump needs better lawyers.

if lawyers dont represent trump becauss they're a fraid of being firebombed what legal remedy would trump have?
SCOTUS can appoint someone to argue a case. It's been done many times.
If the PA and MI certify early and the SCOTUS declines a writ of certiorari because the case is moot then it's all over and Biden is POTUS.

How would that happen? I guess it would take two of the Republican appointees voting with the Democrats.
They'll hear the case just to make a ruling either way if the appeal is coherent, competent and presents a Constitutional issue/conflict. That's why it's important to have someone experienced in Constitutional law on the moving party's behalf.

Also @Gustav Schuchardt , I don't think it will happen but bringing up the War of Roses in this case could happen as English Common Law is often cited and accepted as precedent.
 
This is the shit that worries me. There is a very good chance that if somehow Trump pulls this off in the EC with a SC ruling, half the country and the media will just decide to control reality by ignoring it and saying he's illegitimate.

You could see Trump being sworn in on 1/20 in DC with massive riots around him and a military cordon around the Capitol. Meanwhile Biden is sworn in Delaware, NY, CA or PA because any of those Governors would bend over backwards to have that honor.

Biden could set up a "White House in Exile" and form a Cabinet. The media would call him the Real President, and constantly refer to Trump as the Illegitimate President who is currently illegally in office due to a coup. They would not report on any of his doings as having any real legal standings--Exec Orders, meetings with other nations, etc. Social Media would do the same, and of course hand the official accounts to Biden. There would be a massive propaganda campaign even worse than the current one with the media, big tech, and Hollywood.

Biden and Trump would then start issuing various Exec Orders and nominating people, and the states with Democrat Governors would obey Biden, the Republican ones would obey Trump. Cuomo, Newsom, and Whitmer would reactivate their COVID coalitions and alliances and declare all these states acknowledge Biden. But because we are not geographically as easily split as in 1861, there would be a weird thing where Deep State types in Washington and state governments for either side would simply choose whose orders to follow.

Any citizen at an individual level would have to deal with a nightmare of red tape, as any govt dealings would be colored by the Presidential allegiance of who you are dealing with. Some countiy DMV offices would give licenses to illegals, some wouldn't. If you apply for unemployment, whoever sees your case will give you more or less, or approve or disapprove based on their "conscientious objecting" to Biden or Trump. Governors, govt managers, and Trump will try to fire people, but it will be a cascading Saturday Night Massacre at thousands of federal, state, and local levels. If it goes on til April 2022, the tax code will be a shitshow, because there will be two competing forms of taxation classification.

Internationally, there would be a patchwork of nations who acknowledge Trump, acknowledge Biden, or fence sit for both or neither. We could have two UN Ambassadors. If somehow we limp along for a few years like this, literally nothing will get done.

A lot of these actions could be shut down by the SC--supporting Trump firing officials, etc, but this is why even with a conservative majority, they will be very tempted to rule for Biden because if they rule for Trump they will cause this. to happen. I don't see Trump as doing a "President in Exile" thing if he loses in the SC. He won't sit in the White House til 1/21 and be dragged out by the Secret Service or Marines or whatever because the blow to his dignity would be horrible. He might do some "I'm the Real President" stuff on OANN or Rush, but most of it would be to promote his post Presidential endeavors and not a serious attempt at trying to run the govt. Without the support of the media and big tech, it would be pretty toothless. You'd get a lot of disaffected Republicans and MAGAs, but they'd just refocus on the next election.
No, whoever the Federal Government considers to be the President will be President.
 
It seems like game the wignats think they are running is:

"If we demoralize Trump supporters enough, they will join us."
Those 5% dugintards are the biggest imbeciles in this whole affair. They typically are in all instances, actually. They are invariably wrong in every one of their never-ending string of gotcha gay ops. No matter what they are insufferable pricks.
 
No, whoever the Federal Government considers to be the President will be President.

This reminds me of Tariq Nasheed's comment that if it all goes wrong they're going to blame black people in Detroit for the fraud but if it all goes well it will be DC insiders, almost entirely white, who will benefit.
 
And once the certification happens, how much you wanna bet Congress will try to send the FBI to find Trump, get him to write a concession speech, and take him into custody the minute he finishes it?

Oh piss off with that kind of talk. If Congress/FBI even dare think they can do that, than they all can go to hell. There is absolutely no basis never mind precedent for arresting a sitting or former President without a trial. The former would be a literal coup d'etat. The latter would be an outright insult to the rule of law and his supporters.
 
This reminds me of Tariq Nasheed's comment that if it all goes wrong they're going to blame black people in Detroit for the fraud but if it all goes well it will be DC insiders, almost entirely white, who will benefit.

Have you seen the amount of riggers in all of these contested areas?
 
Oh piss off with that kind of talk. If Congress/FBI even dare think they can do that, than they all can go to hell. There is absolutely no basis never mind precedent for arresting a sitting or former President without a trial. The former would be a literal coup d'etat. The latter would be an outright insult to the rule of law and his supporters.

But Verissimus, you forget.

ORANGE MAN BAD IT WAS HER TURN
 
I imagine being the attorney making the opening statement before SCOTUS:

"Not since the War of the Roses tore the English countryside apart has a similar matter presented itself in the English speaking world, one that the Justices here must avert..."

O for a muse of fire indeed. This is positively Shakespearean.

Shakespeare is racist or he was a black kang will be Twitter's takes.
 
Have you seen the amount of riggers in all of these contested areas?

Yeah, but his point is that when the MSM always show black people counting votes in an election half the country thinks is rigged, it's not an accident.

Also, does anyone really think the people counting the votes are the ones that planned this coup? Whoever did that was much higher up the food chain. The vote counters are just following orders.
 
Rated optimistic on twitter's end for 3 reasons:
1. Still going through the courts and might go to current potus
2. Thinking its Biden and not Kamala that will be using iy
3. Thinking facebook and twitter matter enough that this means something aside from "ah user name change"
Time for a @antiPOTUS account
There he is...m the negaPOTUS....
It seems like game the wignats think they are running is:

"If we demoralize Trump supporters enough, they will join us."
Every time I hear info on wignats I judt get reaffirmed that they're fundamentally retarded. They'd only rise up if black power finally goes into turbo "get white people out of jobs noticably" mode.
Gee, I wonder why no states have "flipped" yet....


Oh wait, that's right: the Trumpers are coping and there is no fraud. A little detail I always forget.
Love how you're still allowed on here and get a whole bunch of positive ratings every time you post :)
@USPIE (United States President In Exile) (Yes I did want very badly to make it ASPIE for maximum meme magic but had to settle for second best.)
Awesome Superior President In Exile baby (*slaps that coke button*).
Biden could set up a "White House in Exile" and form a Cabinet.
More like Biden's handlers and the dems involved at large, but your point still stands.
This reminds me of Tariq Nasheed's comment that if it all goes wrong they're going to blame black people in Detroit for the fraud but if it all goes well it will be DC insiders, almost entirely white, who will benefit.
The Tiger Woods 1/90th black to full on black curse lives on. :(
 
Shakespeare is racist or he was a black kang will be Twitter's takes.

You can make a fairly convincing case he was bisexual given many of his love poems were directed at men. As a friend of mine observed 'He was probably a bit like David Bowie, theatre being the rock and roll of the day'.
 
You can make a fairly convincing case he was bisexual given many of his love poems were directed at men. As a friend of mine observed 'He was probably a bit like David Bowie, theatre being the rock and roll of the day'.
Isn't Christopher Marlowe considered to have been gay? The arts have always attracted unconventional people.
 
To all you worried about the election, why don't you take a day off? Go outside, cook a nice dinner, play video games... nothing exciting until Monday so a good time to get your nerves out.

To all you calling the above pussies and are sure the election is sealed, why not take a day off anyways? Being MATI 24/7 isn't good and you need to keep yourself balanced and healthy too.

To all of you who won't stop getting butthurt, I'll catch you in the doomer thread. RIP in assblasting.
 
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