2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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It's HK-47 said:
The thing that really kind of throws me off with what Powell was saying, is if she's suggesting that Hillary Clinton used Dominion to cheat Bernie out of his primary, why didn't she use it to cheat Trump out of the general election? They were clearly making use of it, if that's the case, and if Trump supposedly won this one in as much of a landslide as the last one, it wouldn't be a matter of having to sprint to close the gap. They would have just kept fabricating votes, wouldn't they?

They controlled virtually everything at the time; Trump had no appointees, the government was full of all the dipshits we've learned about since then who have been shoved into an early retirement, so what the fuck was stopping them from just doing the same, damn thing instead of having Hillary immediately concede the race? What was in the way preventing that from happening, if they held every space on the board at the time? What was different?

The whole thing has to hinge on that massive dump of mail-in ballots being sent out to everyone and their mothers and their maiden names, because there was nothing else that was different about the 2016 election, even if you want to make the argument that "they weren't ready for it" because Sidney's insinuating that they were already using Dominion to cheat it, and have been for a long time.

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When Barack Obama ran for Senate in 1994, the only reason that he won in the first place is because he challenged the veracity of his opponents' votes by demanding that the signatures be matched. The lowest number of invalid signatures was 48%. Signature matching is an absolutely vital part of the counting process, and it's swung the entire political spectrum one way or the other in the past. If Obama hadn't done this, he probably would have never become President in the first place.

With such a massive influx of mail-in voting this cycle, it should be more imperative than ever that all of these ballots are matched.

The fact that they're so adamant to avoid it and the fact that it's the only way to make sense of what Sidney is saying leads me to believe that's probably what's at the core of this. Granted, it's easier at this point to just say that Trump lost and Sidney's a crazy person, but that's not as fun as taking guesses. That's the only rationale I can see as to what the differences were between 2016 and 2020, because otherwise what Sidney is suggesting doesn't really make any sense, and that could be why they're bunkering down so hard to try and prevent anyone from signature matching.
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As others have said, believing the polling data, but also, and this made them believe the polling data, it came down to ego. I don't think Hillary or the DNC ever saw Donald Trump as a threat. He was quirky and a fool, and they could point and laugh at him, and it was apparently the best the GOP could offer. They thought the country would point and laugh and vote Hillary all the way. And then Trump won.

This time around they just weren't taking any chances. They lucked out with COVID allowing them to go balls to the wall with mail in balloting, but I have a feeling even if COVID hadn't happened, they would have tried something someway, because they couldn't afford to let Trump get a second term, or to make it look like the first win wasn't some outrageous fluke. It's a question of pride. They NEED him out of the White House.
 
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Ruin said:
Trump had a Republican congressional majority for two years. He could have focused on national voter ID and election integrity but he spent that time exclusively on massive tax cuts for corporations and huge foreign aid packages to Israel. Ironically Jews and corporations would pay him back for his generosity by calling him a Nazi and backstabbing him for four years.

It's almost like Trump is a fucking retard or something.
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A problem no one else put up is that it is constitutionally given to the STATE legislatures to determine election law. The federal government doesn't get a say, unless it can prove an overriding issue which requires its mandate. The problem with THAT was that until literally 2 months ago, the supreme court was basically 4/5 conservative/liberal with the sheer cuckness that is Roberts. And roberts has made no secret that he stands agaisnt Voter I.D. laws.

All Trump would have gotten by pushing a Voter I.D. law is it permanently made NOT an option when SCOTUS ruled on it.
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lets say the dominion thing is real. could powell get access to the data through lawyering? or would it take a warrant?
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That... depends. "Is the story about seizing the servers true". If yes, the secondary question is "How long of records do those servers keep".
It's HK-47 said:
The thing that really kind of throws me off with what Powell was saying, is if she's suggesting that Hillary Clinton used Dominion to cheat Bernie out of his primary, why didn't she use it to cheat Trump out of the general election? They were clearly making use of it, if that's the case, and if Trump supposedly won this one in as much of a landslide as the last one, it wouldn't be a matter of having to sprint to close the gap. They would have just kept fabricating votes, wouldn't they?

They controlled virtually everything at the time; Trump had no appointees, the government was full of all the dipshits we've learned about since then who have been shoved into an early retirement, so what the fuck was stopping them from just doing the same, damn thing instead of having Hillary immediately concede the race? What was in the way preventing that from happening, if they held every space on the board at the time? What was different?

The whole thing has to hinge on that massive dump of mail-in ballots being sent out to everyone and their mothers and their maiden names, because there was nothing else that was different about the 2016 election, even if you want to make the argument that "they weren't ready for it" because Sidney's insinuating that they were already using Dominion to cheat it, and have been for a long time.

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When Barack Obama ran for Senate in 1994, the only reason that he won in the first place is because he challenged the veracity of his opponents' votes by demanding that the signatures be matched. The lowest number of invalid signatures was 48%. Signature matching is an absolutely vital part of the counting process, and it's swung the entire political spectrum one way or the other in the past. If Obama hadn't done this, he probably would have never become President in the first place.

With such a massive influx of mail-in voting this cycle, it should be more imperative than ever that all of these ballots are matched.

The fact that they're so adamant to avoid it and the fact that it's the only way to make sense of what Sidney is saying leads me to believe that's probably what's at the core of this. Granted, it's easier at this point to just say that Trump lost and Sidney's a crazy person, but that's not as fun as taking guesses. That's the only rationale I can see as to what the differences were between 2016 and 2020, because otherwise what Sidney is suggesting doesn't really make any sense, and that could be why they're bunkering down so hard to try and prevent anyone from signature matching.
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HumanHive said:
I think the answer to this was they trusted their polling in 2016 and thought Hillary would win by a landslide. So cheating would have been a little too obvious. Maybe in 2020 they just said “fuck it” and went all out.

But Dominion is still a tinfoil bridge too far.
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Trusted the polls, yes. But to flesh this out. Until this year the Democrats have consistently used a level of fraud just high enough to nudge over close results. The ramp up of media on this and the messaging from Pelosi indicates they were intending a higher level of fraud this year. Now, I remain skeptical of the Dominion stuff and haven't moved an inch on how much, but if I grant it is true than the most likely reason for why they didn't use it in 2016 but did in 2020 is a mixture of believing the prior polls, having no motivation to risk blowing it all open, and believing in their tried and true methods.
 
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HumanHive said:
But Dominion is still a tinfoil bridge too far.
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Why? That the high tech solutions the US uses for its elections are massively susceptible to fraud is not hard to believe in the slightest
Meat Target said:
The Pennsylvania lawsuit getting thrown out was a big blow to Trump's chances.
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How? They knew they'd throw it out. The intent was always to appeal it all the way up to SCOTUS
 
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Dr J said:
Furthermore, somebody sued the DNC. Can't remember who but it was definitely in the fallout of 2016, and the DNC's chief argument for rigging the primaries was along the lines of 'We're a private organisation, we're not obligated to run our primaries fairly'
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This is absolutely correct, as private companies the DNC can handle their primaries however they want. This is part of what makes America so great.
 
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Sometimes I wish the holocaust really did happen.
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There'll be another time said:
Though at this point I feel Powell might just talking out her ass so who knows.
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I think most of the claims she has made are undeniably true, but proving them with solid evidence in a court of law is another thing altogether.

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Think we're going to see a narrative shift again. They're coming up with justifications for Trump's performance.
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First it was: latinos are white supremacist nazis and they must be stopped!
Now: latinos were just misinformed. come back into the fold and we will forgive you. refuse and we will continue to shame you and treat you like *spits* white people.
 
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Why? That the high tech solutions the US uses for its elections are massively susceptible to fraud is not hard to believe in the slightest
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The hard to believe is the sheer scale of it, and the fact it would basically require an organized cabal of fraud cross multiple international lines.

Possible? Yes.

But it is VERY CLEARLY Alex Jones territory.

And right now the evidence for it isn't very solid.
 
Gustav Schuchardt said:
The problem with Nasheed is that he's using race as a proxy for class. If he'd said 'working-class people are being set up for the fall if the elite's plan to rig the election fails. If it succeeds only the elite will benefit' no one would argue with him.
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I think Nasheed has been documented enough to know when she says race, he means race.
 
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Lichen Bark said:
I didn't see this posted yet.
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"[SCOTUSblog] began as a means of promoting the law firm then known as Goldstein & Howe, P.C"


"Notably, Goldstein served as second chair for Laurence Tribe and David Boies on behalf of Vice President Al Gore in Bush v. Gore. He also served as second chair for Laurence Tribe on New York Times Co. v. Tasini (decided in 2001)."
Laurence Tribe is a ghoul. Nice partner there.
 
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Gehenna said:
The hard to believe is the sheer scale of it, and the fact it would basically require an organized cabal of fraud cross multiple international lines.

Possible? Yes.

But it is VERY CLEARLY Alex Jones territory.

And right now the evidence for it isn't very solid.
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...and then you remember that Jones keeps on being proven right about everything.
 
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Inventor of the Telephone said:
"[SCOTUSblog] began as a means of promoting the law firm then known as Goldstein & Howe, P.C"


"Notably, Goldstein served as second chair for Laurence Tribe and David Boies on behalf of Vice President Al Gore in Bush v. Gore. He also served as second chair for Laurence Tribe on New York Times Co. v. Tasini (decided in 2001)."
Laurence Tribe is a ghoul. Nice partner there.
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You are missing the best part, their former financier was none other than Bloomberg News
 
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Polyboros2 said:
It really depends on if the GOP kneel to the Dems. There are demands for a special session of the State Legislature to clean up the rules for the January run off. The Governor seems very complacent about everything going on.
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The behavior of state-level Republicans raises an interesting possibility. Up to now, I assumed the Democrats rigged it unilaterally and Republican state legislators would go ballistic because they'd know they'd be next if this level of rigging was allowed to stand.

However, consider the following. A bunch of high-level Republicans and Democrats have a deal. The high-level Republicans don't like Trump. The Democrats probably know that AntiFa and BLM riots need to be suppressed because even normies know something is wrong if their city gets burned down. We know they fucking hate people like AOC talking about socialism and defunding the police. What they all want is a neoliberal regime. Woke capitalism basically. Sweatshops in China, and with illegal immigrants in the US but a rainbow flag during pride month and bans for anyone dumb enough to not see that there are some things you don't question.

So the elections were not rigged down-ballot because the down-ballot Republicans are in on the deal. The heads of the state legislatures will certify because they're in on it too. What will happen in Georgia? Maybe the Republicans get that in return for giving up the White House? The midterms will produce a carefully balanced house - literally 50:50. So the Republicans have some way to enforce the deal because they get to keep the Senate and the house is split. Republicans would probably know how many Democrat legislators would back things like the Green New Deal or court-packing and they'd know those have no chance of passing. And they've got the Senate in case something terrible happens.

If this were the case I'd expect the new regime to be a carefully bipartisan technocratic one that doesn't really achieve anything. Woke scraps will be thrown to the left but capitalism will continue to shaft normal people. Immigration and free trade will be pushed. Bipartisan groups will work out careful chess moves to play against China - carrier battlegroups will prowl the seas and US allies will be bolstered. In Europe, NATO will announce that the US is back, baby, with more commitment to oppose Russian expansionism. One interesting thing about this is that you'd see the more strident members of each party decommissioned, a bit like the US and USSR decommissioned their intermediate-range nukes towards the end of the cold war. So when AOC said she 'might leave politics' she wasn't kidding. Her next primary will end with her losing to stuffed ballots to some DNC apparatchik and she knows it. Similarly, all the Republicans who cast doubt on the 2020 'election' will get primaried and will lose, with varying degrees of legitimacy. So the reason the entire Republican party seems to be hedging its bets is that they all sense that the fix is in for this election and if you cast any doubt on the legitimacy of the process you're gone next primary or next election. Conversely, if you hedge your bets a bit you might benefit from the new, post-democratic order.

So what you've got is a compromise. It's just it's the Compromise of 2020 arranged pre-election, not a compromise of 2021 arranged after it.

Would it work? I'm not convinced. Suppose the Democrats break the deal and win control of the Senate? At that point, the Republicans know they've been screwed. Or if the Democrats rig the midterms. The regime requires that two parties that absolutely hate each other have a core of people who are willing to work together.

Incidentally, Newsmax has a parade of Republicans saying 'fight it out in court but if you lose move on'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39WrSskl3XE
 
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Lichen Bark said:
I didn't see this posted yet.
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Like I get Powell and Giuliani have been showboating alot, but to treat them as shit tier lawyers based on how they act in the media despite doing big things (Giuliani fucking up the mafia and Powell defending Flynn) is just retarded.

Could they showboat a lot? Yes
Does that make them shit-level lawyers? No

Not saying they are the best, but they certainly are not the worst lawyers out there.

Also I like how SCOTUSBlog ignores the detail of Pennsylvania dismissing an order from the SCOTUS which if unchecked could be bad nationwide depending on how SCOTUS rules in the future.
 
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Gehenna said:
The hard to believe is the sheer scale of it, and the fact it would basically require an organized cabal of fraud cross multiple international lines.
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This was clearly co-ordinated and as for an organised cabal, some of the most powerful people in the world oppose Trump. To them, this is nothing.
Gehenna said:
And right now the evidence for it isn't very solid.
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We haven't seen the evidence. The best we've gotten so far is hints towards the kinds of evidence Powell will be presenting
 
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