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Pa. legislative committee rejects request to conduct election audit
HARRISBURG — A bipartisan, bicameral legislative service agency on Monday, in a rare move, rejected a request from the House of Representatives to conduct a statistical-level review of the conduct of the 2020 general election.
The Legislative Budget & Finance Committee officers voted 2-1 against performing the “risk-limiting” audit that was ordered by House Resolution 1100. That resolution, sponsored by Rep. Jesse Topper, R-Bedford County, passed the House on Thursday by a 112-90 vote, with all Republican members and three Democrats supporting it.
The legislative committee typically accepts the work that the House or Senate sends its way but there have been at least two occasions in recent history when the committee didn’t complete the assignment it was given, said Patricia Berger, the committee’s executive director.
They included an audit the committee’s officers agreed to do dealing with the two state pension systems’ investments in South Africa, which became controversial, and the House later withdrew its resolution before the work was completed. Another audit that was accepted by the committee involved looking into rail service between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, which didn’t get completed by the time the legislative session expired that year.
But this audit of the Nov. 3 general election took on importance to Republicans due to the many issues that arose surrounding election reforms that were put in place for the first time this year along with controversial Department of State guidance. Along with that, it all happened in a presidential election year in which Pennsylvania played a pivotal role in deciding the winner.
Sen. Jim Brewster and Rep. Jake Wheatley, both Allegheny County Democrats, voted against taking on the audit. Sen. Bob Mensch, R-Montgomery County, favored that the committee accept the assignment. Rep. Steve Barrar, R-Delaware County, who is retiring from the House at the end of this month, didn’t participate in the Zoom meeting.
In voting down the request to do the audit, the committee staff and officers cited several reasons that included an inability to find a consultant who has performed a risk-limiting audit willing to take on the task that staff members indicated was outside their areas of expertise.
All three committee officers cited concerns with being able to meet the 60- to 90-day deadline for completing the review as the resolution requires. Both Democratic members also commented that the audit would duplicate efforts that the Pennsylvania Department of State and counties already are tasked with doing.
“I really would suggest there are other ways to validate our election results,” Mr. Wheatley said.
“I’m at a loss as to what the purpose of the resolution is and why it’s even necessary if the work is going to be done” by counties and the state department, Mr. Brewster said.
Mr. Mensch noted that the short timeframe was a concern to him as well but didn’t make an argument for why he favored going ahead with it.
In seeking the audit, Mr. Topper, R-Bedford County, said it would provide “a statistical level of confidence in not only the outcome of this past election, but ensure trust in all future elections here in the commonwealth.”
Mr. Topper said he chose to hand this work to the Legislative Budget & Finance Committee because he felt “this committee really had the best interest of common sense government and transparency at heart.” Further, he said the committee could continue working on the audit even after the legislative session ends on Nov. 30 and be well underway until the next legislative session begins in January.
“I’m disappointed that the fact they thought it was going to be too difficult and too much work dissuaded them from doing what I think is absolutely necessary for us to move forward with changes,” Mr. Topper said. “Anybody who doesn’t think on either side changes don’t need to be made to the process after what we saw in the days leading up to, during, the day of, and the days after the election is simply not engaged in reality.”
Mr. Topper said relying on the Department of State to conduct a review would not provide the independence that is needed to arrive at recommended law changes that could be viewed as non-partisan.
The House State Government Committee on Monday issued an interim report detailing election law changes that have occurred over the past year or so. Additionally, it discusses state department guidance, election-related lawsuits and claims of wrongdoing and concerns raised about the conduct of the general election. The committee’s interim Chairman Seth Grove, R-York County, said having this report along with anticipated answers to questions sent out to county boards of elections and the Department of State should provide a base of information to improve upon election laws in the next legislative session.
“The hope is to inform the residents and members coming into next session of everything that transpired so we have it in one document so we can refer back to it to ensure that we are all on the same page moving forward,” Mr. Grove said, in describing the interim report’s purpose.
Mr. Topper, however, voiced reluctance about relying on the House State Government Committee’s review of the general election to determine a path going forward. He said the committee tends to become very partisan and given the GOP-majority on the committee would likely lead to Democrats’ criticizing whatever recommendations it makes as Republican initiatives.
Pa. legislative committee rejects request to conduct election audit
HARRISBURG — A bipartisan, bicameral legislative service agency on Monday, in a rare move, rejected a request from the House of Representatives to...www.post-gazette.com
With all these court cases getting pitched and/or approved, I have no idea where we stand.
All I know is Pennsylvania in particular is absolutely fucked if Biden fulfills his promise to end the fracking industry.
But orange man es no bueno so that justifies it.
Are they fucking high? It's almost as if they want SCOTUS to decide what happens in the end.
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The hologram of Obama should be surrounded by a swarm of cute little bombing drones
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It's as if they're saying "Fuck every single non-black minority that voted for Democrats consistently, even in this election too." It's always the blacks, every single time.
If threats towards one's life still make Republicans GOPe, just throw in the towel already and tell Trump and the electorate it's going to Joe no mater what. Tough tiddy. But enough of the stall.
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Yep the certification was an inevitable outcome
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Pennsylvania deserves to be fucked along with Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Georgia if none of them are willing to do a proper audit. This whole year has to belong to the nigger. Everything in 2020 has become about the nigger.Pa. legislative committee rejects request to conduct election audit
HARRISBURG — A bipartisan, bicameral legislative service agency on Monday, in a rare move, rejected a request from the House of Representatives to conduct a statistical-level review of the conduct of the 2020 general election.
The Legislative Budget & Finance Committee officers voted 2-1 against performing the “risk-limiting” audit that was ordered by House Resolution 1100. That resolution, sponsored by Rep. Jesse Topper, R-Bedford County, passed the House on Thursday by a 112-90 vote, with all Republican members and three Democrats supporting it.
The legislative committee typically accepts the work that the House or Senate sends its way but there have been at least two occasions in recent history when the committee didn’t complete the assignment it was given, said Patricia Berger, the committee’s executive director.
They included an audit the committee’s officers agreed to do dealing with the two state pension systems’ investments in South Africa, which became controversial, and the House later withdrew its resolution before the work was completed. Another audit that was accepted by the committee involved looking into rail service between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, which didn’t get completed by the time the legislative session expired that year.
But this audit of the Nov. 3 general election took on importance to Republicans due to the many issues that arose surrounding election reforms that were put in place for the first time this year along with controversial Department of State guidance. Along with that, it all happened in a presidential election year in which Pennsylvania played a pivotal role in deciding the winner.
Sen. Jim Brewster and Rep. Jake Wheatley, both Allegheny County Democrats, voted against taking on the audit. Sen. Bob Mensch, R-Montgomery County, favored that the committee accept the assignment. Rep. Steve Barrar, R-Delaware County, who is retiring from the House at the end of this month, didn’t participate in the Zoom meeting.
In voting down the request to do the audit, the committee staff and officers cited several reasons that included an inability to find a consultant who has performed a risk-limiting audit willing to take on the task that staff members indicated was outside their areas of expertise.
All three committee officers cited concerns with being able to meet the 60- to 90-day deadline for completing the review as the resolution requires. Both Democratic members also commented that the audit would duplicate efforts that the Pennsylvania Department of State and counties already are tasked with doing.
“I really would suggest there are other ways to validate our election results,” Mr. Wheatley said.
“I’m at a loss as to what the purpose of the resolution is and why it’s even necessary if the work is going to be done” by counties and the state department, Mr. Brewster said.
Mr. Mensch noted that the short timeframe was a concern to him as well but didn’t make an argument for why he favored going ahead with it.
In seeking the audit, Mr. Topper, R-Bedford County, said it would provide “a statistical level of confidence in not only the outcome of this past election, but ensure trust in all future elections here in the commonwealth.”
Mr. Topper said he chose to hand this work to the Legislative Budget & Finance Committee because he felt “this committee really had the best interest of common sense government and transparency at heart.” Further, he said the committee could continue working on the audit even after the legislative session ends on Nov. 30 and be well underway until the next legislative session begins in January.
“I’m disappointed that the fact they thought it was going to be too difficult and too much work dissuaded them from doing what I think is absolutely necessary for us to move forward with changes,” Mr. Topper said. “Anybody who doesn’t think on either side changes don’t need to be made to the process after what we saw in the days leading up to, during, the day of, and the days after the election is simply not engaged in reality.”
Mr. Topper said relying on the Department of State to conduct a review would not provide the independence that is needed to arrive at recommended law changes that could be viewed as non-partisan.
The House State Government Committee on Monday issued an interim report detailing election law changes that have occurred over the past year or so. Additionally, it discusses state department guidance, election-related lawsuits and claims of wrongdoing and concerns raised about the conduct of the general election. The committee’s interim Chairman Seth Grove, R-York County, said having this report along with anticipated answers to questions sent out to county boards of elections and the Department of State should provide a base of information to improve upon election laws in the next legislative session.
“The hope is to inform the residents and members coming into next session of everything that transpired so we have it in one document so we can refer back to it to ensure that we are all on the same page moving forward,” Mr. Grove said, in describing the interim report’s purpose.
Mr. Topper, however, voiced reluctance about relying on the House State Government Committee’s review of the general election to determine a path going forward. He said the committee tends to become very partisan and given the GOP-majority on the committee would likely lead to Democrats’ criticizing whatever recommendations it makes as Republican initiatives.
Pa. legislative committee rejects request to conduct election audit
HARRISBURG — A bipartisan, bicameral legislative service agency on Monday, in a rare move, rejected a request from the House of Representatives to...
With all these court cases getting pitched and/or approved, I have no idea where we stand.
All I know is Pennsylvania in particular is absolutely fucked if Biden fulfills his promise to end the fracking industry.
But orange man es no bueno so that justifies it.
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i thought certifications mattered but the vice chair makes it seem like its ceremonial, there was no power, authority to not certify.
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"Coward! Like all GOPe, you talk and you talk...but you have no Grandma!"*
*At least that's what Mike Stoklasa thinks they're saying,...
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omg, the chat. lol
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That's usually because they're usually the grandma, themselves.
...or, rather, they're the grandpa.
Appeals to the elderly only work if you're not the elderly-- if you are, you're just a stupid boomer. And then you stack on top the fact that you're a male, and probably white, and you have no chance.
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what it's always been, the SCOTUS
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Lol and Michigan continues to sink even further under Ohio. Can't even get an audit for a shady ass election. Thanks again, SE Michigan. Proving yet again how much we shit on the rest of the state, yet gladly use it to prop our "Pure Michigan" bs.
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SCOTUS already threw out a Trump campaign lawsuit in PA
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Barnes is saying that you can only contest after certification in all of the states in question except PA.
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your name says "tech priest" but your takes say "servitor"
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It's supposed to be more than just ceremonial, even if it usually is just a formality, but in an election rife with substantial fraud allegations, they should be more than just a rubber stamp. The certification isn't surprising, but it's just another example of how little it takes to get what they want, all relying on 4 people, 2 of which ended up being spineless (since Shinkle just ended up abstaining). America's on track to becoming a laughingstock the more this continues, especially with how many callers showed how little they actually understand the situation, and the SCOTUS decision (if any) will likely be what makes or breaks that reputation.
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As was always the case, to prevail, they need to be bringing their A-game. And if Barnes is to be believed (and I trust him), there's theoretically a chance, but they're struggling between the establishment types, fanatics, and grifters who're all not interested in making an honest effort.
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we'll see.
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