Marvel Cinematic Universe

Assuming the lockdowns ever truly end (gonna preemptively rate myself :optimistic: on that one) then what kind of effect will a reopening have for the MCU? Will it help the odds of "dark horse candidate" movies like Eternals or will the first year without an MCU film since the Bush years cause normies to show up for it because it's a summer blockbuster and the lockdowns would be over at last?

At first, I figured the lockdowns would end by the middle of June but then the BLM coup and the inevitable spike in cases caused the lockdowns to get worse and the MSM to milk it even more.

By then, everything was already delayed and I figured we'd see Black Widow do very well since she's actually got a fanbase among non-beardos/non-dangerhairs and everyone wanted to get back to normal but then it'd decline from there since the normies had a chance to detox from capeshit.

But now, I think the extended lockdowns could go either way and if we ever do get a full reopening, then it could be a 50/50 shot of either an intensified detox (normies finally moving on from capeshit and then the box office bombs) or a brief second wind because it's "back to normal" and that bubble could be enough to keep Phase 4 afloat until they can officially bring in the X-Men and at that point, we're fucked.
 
Assuming the lockdowns ever truly end (gonna preemptively rate myself :optimistic: on that one) then what kind of effect will a reopening have for the MCU? Will it help the odds of "dark horse candidate" movies like Eternals or will the first year without an MCU film since the Bush years cause normies to show up for it because it's a summer blockbuster and the lockdowns would be over at last?

At first, I figured the lockdowns would end by the middle of June but then the BLM coup and the inevitable spike in cases caused the lockdowns to get worse and the MSM to milk it even more.

By then, everything was already delayed and I figured we'd see Black Widow do very well since she's actually got a fanbase among non-beardos/non-dangerhairs and everyone wanted to get back to normal but then it'd decline from there since the normies had a chance to detox from capeshit.

But now, I think the extended lockdowns could go either way and if we ever do get a full reopening, then it could be a 50/50 shot of either an intensified detox (normies finally moving on from capeshit and then the box office bombs) or a brief second wind because it's "back to normal" and that bubble could be enough to keep Phase 4 afloat until they can officially bring in the X-Men and at that point, we're fucked.
Disney want a return on their investment, anything less than 1 billion is going to be a disappointment for them. The problem is that those numbers will be very difficult with the state AMC and other chains are in. I don't think you'll see the superhero genre die out in a single bomb. It's more of a steady decline and studios realizing that they can make cheaper product on streaming services and then start experimenting with such.
 
Disney want a return on their investment, anything less than 1 billion is going to be a disappointment for them. The problem is that those numbers will be very difficult with the state AMC and other chains are in. I don't think you'll see the superhero genre die out in a single bomb. It's more of a steady decline and studios realizing that they can make cheaper product on streaming services and then start experimenting with such.

My big fear is that Disney will use their immense funds to just make more of the same MCU capeshit but just as a direct-to-streaming thing. Even the "flop" of the live-action Mulan was still profitable, it was just an underperformance as opposed to an actual box office bomb like Solo.

Of all the megalomania-driven buyouts that Bob Iger spearheaded, Marvel was the one that truly paid off and the only one that hasn't resulted in either a box office bomb or a major underperformance.

While the Hulk movie with Edward Norton was a bit of a dud, it also was one of the few pre-Disney MCU films alongside the first Iron Man and was largely ignored as a result. The capeshit fad has largely been kept alive well beyond its normal expiration date solely because of the MCU and Disney backing it as hard as they do.
 
My big fear is that Disney will use their immense funds to just make more of the same MCU capeshit but just as a direct-to-streaming thing. Even the "flop" of the live-action Mulan was still profitable, it was just an underperformance as opposed to an actual box office bomb like Solo.

Of all the megalomania-driven buyouts that Bob Iger spearheaded, Marvel was the one that truly paid off and the only one that hasn't resulted in either a box office bomb or a major underperformance.

While the Hulk movie with Edward Norton was a bit of a dud, it also was one of the few pre-Disney MCU films alongside the first Iron Man and was largely ignored as a result. The capeshit fad has largely been kept alive well beyond its normal expiration date solely because of the MCU and Disney backing it as hard as they do.
Yes, but the profits have to be huge, and the cost has to be minimized. I honestly don't see the traditional "Phases" they've been running with as sustainable in the long wrong. Not because they won't make money, but because they can make so much more by lowering the budget. I predict you'll still have capeshit, but the budget is going to be decreased exponentially from previous efforts, even branching out into other genres, but with the Marvel characters.

I honestly wouldn't put it past them to make a Marvel sitcom which, honestly, is already what Wandavision is looking like.
 
Yes, but the profits have to be huge, and the cost has to be minimized. I honestly don't see the traditional "Phases" they've been running with as sustainable in the long wrong. Not because they won't make money, but because they can make so much more by lowering the budget. I predict you'll still have capeshit, but the budget is going to be decreased exponentially from previous efforts, even branching out into other genres, but with the Marvel characters.

I honestly wouldn't put it past them to make a Marvel sitcom which, honestly, is already what Wandavision is looking like.

I'll be honest, that's even worse.

I want the capeshit fad to just finally fucking die and go back to the handful of "evergreen heroes" (Spider-Man and X-Men for Marvel, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman for DC) getting adaptations every so often and that'd be it.

Unless they're willing to do adaptations of The Punisher and Tomb of Dracula divorced from the MCU and in their full "problematic" glory, I just want Marvel to finally go away for a little while.
 
@Syaoran Li I think it's too early to predict what would happen. This has been a crazy year, and I think despite many normies satisfied with Endgame, some will want the comfort/Nostalgia of an MCU film.

Problem is...I don't really think they have anymore sellable heroes for the mainstream audiences to care. Due to the plot of Endgame so many of their stars have died or retired, and sadly Chadwick Boseman died this year so there's a strike less to gain money from the Black is King crowd (I just don't see a Shuri movie pulling the same numbers). So who else they have? Spider-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy? The other heroes just don't pull enough crowds and I don't think wannabe-Game of Thrones and Chinese Pandering Movie nº232 will attract audiences neither. The MCU is gonna see red unless they push the X-Men fast into this.
 
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@Syaoran Li I think it's too early to predict what would happen. This has been a crazy year, and I think despite many normies satisfied with Endgame, some will want the comfort/Nostalgia of an MCU film.

Problem is...I don't really think they have anymore sellable heroes for the mainstream audiences to care. Due to the plot of Endgame so many of their stars have died or retired, and sadly Chadwick Boseman died this year so there's a strike less to gain money from the Black is King crowd (I just don't see a Shuri movie pulling the same numbers). So who else they have? Spider-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy? The other heroes just don't pull enough crowds and I don't think wannabe-Game of Thrones and Chinese Pandering Movie nº232 will attract audiences neither. The MCU is gonna see red unless they push the X-Men fast into this.
The other problem is just the unreliability of the franchises still around. Spider-Man will always be profitable, but at any point Disney is set to lose it as Sony may very well do better without them given the success of Spider-Verse and PS4. Not to mention the Raimi fanboys that are already trying to kill the MCU to get their Spider back.

Gaurdians of the Galaxy was sort of a lightning in a bottle. I remember the 2nd got some contentious reviews, and while I loved the first, the sequel just killed all charm. They are also going to try to milk Thor with them, which again, came from Ragnarock, another contentious film. The style of Gaurdians just lacks any real successor and is already getting stale with 2, Ragnarock, and Suicide Squad all jumping on it.

Even X-Men are in a strange place. They have had mostly bombs throughout the 2010s and have survived on only Deadpool and Logan. Are they even that big of an evergreen anymore?
 
Even X-Men are in a strange place. They have had mostly bombs throughout the 2010s and have survived on only Deadpool and Logan. Are they even that big of an evergreen anymore?
The thing about the X-Men is that they were huge during the 90s, but they have been suffering greatly due to the rights dispute between Fox and Disney. Basically, some of the best X-Men stories have needed access to the wider Marvel Universe for them to be good. They did most of the good stories already: God Loves Man Kills, Days of Future Past, the Dark Phoenix Saga (twice, and both ended in failure). With the rights solved, they can have all the access they wanted... but the damage has been done, both in the movies and especially in comics.
 
Black Widow will do very well.

I'll tell you whats going to fail. Eternals. Nobody is checking for them. They're essentially just gods in the book of Genesis in that they created the universe.
Literally the plot will be as thin as wallpaper. Its all special effects and visuals with no story
 
Black Widow will do very well.

I'll tell you whats going to fail. Eternals. Nobody is checking for them. They're essentially just gods in the book of Genesis in that they created the universe.
Literally the plot will be as thin as wallpaper. Its all special effects and visuals with no story

I think Black Widow will do well and chances are so will Doctor Strange 2 because Sam Raimi's supposedly still attached to direct it last I checked.

Anything after that is a crapshoot unless they can get the X-Men and Deadpool in and try to unfuck that series

If any MCU movie is going to be "the big one" that finally bombs at the box office, then I totally concur that it's going to be Eternals.
 
It's been "amazing" and unsurprising to see how well the more obsessive MCU fans have been taking a Year Without Marvel Capeshit Universe Movies, which is to say not well. Junkies in need of a hit, in this case the need to CONSUME PRODUCT. Sure, they can find other things to fill the void, but they need their big tentpole pictures to ooooh and ahhhh over until the next one.

Sometimes I think that one episode of "Dragnet 1969" I caught a couple of years ago had the right idea on how to deal with these sorts of superhero media fans:

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Yes, but the profits have to be huge, and the cost has to be minimized. I honestly don't see the traditional "Phases" they've been running with as sustainable in the long wrong. Not because they won't make money, but because they can make so much more by lowering the budget. I predict you'll still have capeshit, but the budget is going to be decreased exponentially from previous efforts, even branching out into other genres, but with the Marvel characters.

I honestly wouldn't put it past them to make a Marvel sitcom which, honestly, is already what Wandavision is looking like.
So what you're saying is that they should make Marvel tokusatsu?

...I'm perfectly fine with that.
 
Real question here, what do you guys think will be the next big fad if and when the MCU gets the big flop in 2021 or 2022?

I've been personally of the opinion we're going to see multiple fads as opposed to the 2010's having the old binary of "capeshit and woke reboots/sequels" for the summer blockbuster season.

I've said this before, but I think there will be a return to the divergence between nerd culture and mainstream similar to the way it was in the 2000's where there'd be occasional crossover but otherwise one and the same and we'll have fads within both those scenes.

I think war movies are due for a comeback (thanks to Dunkirk and 1917) as well as horror (assuming woke culture really does burn itself out) and we may see video game movies finally get their day in the sun now that Detective Pikachu and Sonic have both "broken the curse" but anything beyond that is anyone's guess
If that happens the various producers and movie executives will congregate together in their finest velvet hooded robes to gather around the sacred altar in order to to cast the enchanted dice carved from the bones of dead child actors in order to seek guidance. The horrid monstrosities they worship will answer:

COWBOY MOVIES ARE BACK! QUICK START BUYING ALL THE HORSES IN CALIFORNIA! NO FUCK THAT WE WILL CG THEM!
 
Problem is...I don't really think they have anymore sellable heroes for the mainstream audiences to care.
People were saying that before Cinematic Universe was even a term since Marvel didn't have Spiderman and X-men, so maybe they can pull something off. But I'm with you on this one, I don't think they can make it happen with the heroes that are left.
Even X-Men are in a strange place. They have had mostly bombs throughout the 2010s and have survived on only Deadpool and Logan. Are they even that big of an evergreen anymore?
The actors in the new crew aren't nearly as big of a draw. Logan did well because of Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.
 
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Considering how Disney decided to make every Marvel character an unrelatable demigod, I wonder how they will fuck over the X-Men. Judging from Spiderman, every member will be a genius that's friends in some way with an established Marvel character. How the evil mutants will be handled is another interesting question, modern day politics is 100% "Magneto is right", but I guess they'll do like what was in Black Panther and blame everything on those evil white people, with genociding the human race being portrayed as a tiny step too far.
Professor X is definitely dying in the end to give Storm HER TURN. Magneto might be written out alltogether since he needs to be 80+ by now, unless they'll make him black because "Jim Crow is totally like the holocaust".
 
Considering how Disney decided to make every Marvel character an unrelatable demigod, I wonder how they will fuck over the X-Men. Judging from Spiderman, every member will be a genius that's friends in some way with an established Marvel character. How the evil mutants will be handled is another interesting question, modern day politics is 100% "Magneto is right", but I guess they'll do like what was in Black Panther and blame everything on those evil white people, with genociding the human race being portrayed as a tiny step too far.
Professor X is definitely dying in the end to give Storm HER TURN. Magneto might be written out alltogether since he needs to be 80+ by now, unless they'll make him black because "Jim Crow is totally like the holocaust".
The X-Men? That's a depressing question. See the wokes have a a trend where there's absolutely no subtelty about their politics. If there had been in the past a subtle nod to some social issue, the wokes tend to just take it and blast it in your face like a shotgun. For the X-Men the narrative is always that they were popular because of the civil rights movement (Despite the invonvenient fact that the X-Men didn't really start to take off until Claremont took over in the late 70s and the stories shifted away from those themes).

In other words, expect every character to be either a minority or gay or both. Bonus points for troons.
 
Considering how Disney decided to make every Marvel character an unrelatable demigod, I wonder how they will fuck over the X-Men. Judging from Spiderman, every member will be a genius that's friends in some way with an established Marvel character. How the evil mutants will be handled is another interesting question, modern day politics is 100% "Magneto is right", but I guess they'll do like what was in Black Panther and blame everything on those evil white people, with genociding the human race being portrayed as a tiny step too far.
Professor X is definitely dying in the end to give Storm HER TURN. Magneto might be written out alltogether since he needs to be 80+ by now, unless they'll make him black because "Jim Crow is totally like the holocaust".
Oh man I can picture it now. The bad guys being groups that look like a cross between charlottesville protestors (because that horse can never be beaten enough) and Trump supporters (wearing some kind of brightly colored hat). They will all be shouting about how "MUTIES NEED TO BE LOCKED IN CAGES!!!" while waving tiki torches around and the X-M*N will have to go save the poor mut-norities from heavily armed nationalist groups that look suspiciously like the proud boys.

Its too ridiculous and dumb to not be in a current year X-Men reboot!
 
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