Marvel Cinematic Universe

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I don't have a problem with the gadgets as Spider-Man has always had stuff like the webshooters and spider tracers and I can overlook the more high tech gadgets as a gameplay thing. Plus I felt that having the resources of Octavius lab gave a reasonable explanation for where he would have the resources to build them.

But it gets a little over the top in Miles Morales where all of the suits need to have AI's in them, and Peter is making sophisticated holographic technology while also still supposedly being some poor dude. I get Peter and Miles are geniuses but that doesn't explain where they are getting the funding/resources for all these things.

And all the enemies having knock off Iron Man suits is annoying. Rhino can't just be a big brute, he's got to have some techy combat armor on top of it. Roxxon goons couldn't just be dudes decked out in military contractor gear, they had to have knock off Iron Man suits. I'm half expecting a sequel to have a Venom/Green Goblin hybrid just so they can have some kind of tech armor on Venom.

Marvel (or really the entire western media) in recent years fully embraced the "smart people are wizards" mentality in both games and films. Very much every part involving technology in the original PS4 game was cringey for a person like me who has a second degree and knows how you don't just twiddle your mouse and create a cure for cancer. At least the original Iron Man film had the logic of the original suit being pretty shite, but successive movies made the suit more ridiculous by the iteration.

Its still interesting to me that they basically turned Thor into a joke. Thor in Ragnarok and Endgame was just........bad bad characterization

Besides the rule that every action hero needs to snark all the time and never take things seriously, Thor also suffers from the writers never deciding to whether he grown up to take the mantle of head of the gods, or is still a brash young godling.

 

[Lensherr]

When you go back to the mid-credit scene of the first Avengers movie, Thanos' minion says that to "challenge them [humans] is to court death." That could have been a starting point to introduce Death but that did not come to pass.

As I've read it, Thanos was supposed to be introduced and written out in Avenger's 2 until Josh Sweden demanded be he allowed (and ultimately ruin) Ultron. They could have built it up properly, but they also could -and probably would- have just ran through his entire storyline in the two and a half hour run time and then tried to end "the saga" with like Galactus or some shit. The big, interconnected plotline shit wasn't the plan from the start, especially when it seemed like in the pre-Russo era the entire franchise was going to be Whedon's baby, and I think for all it's flaws the way they pulled it off was ultimately the better of the two scenarios.

It just goes to show that for all their talk of having the whole universe being plotted/planned out from the start, the arc of the MCU changed a lot from its initial inception and the people in charge were making up a lot of it as they went along.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Marvel (or really the entire western media) in recent years fully embraced the "smart people are wizards" mentality in both games and films. Very much every part involving technology in the original PS4 game was cringey for a person like me who has a second degree and knows how you don't just twiddle your mouse and create a cure for cancer. At least the original Iron Man film had the logic of the original suit being pretty shite, but successive movies made the suit more ridiculous by the iteration.

I am pretty sure the excuse now is alien technology, hence why Iron Man’s suits are so unrealistic to the point of being laughable. The animators kinda just gave up on the realism. Is it wrong to say that Iron Man (200 actually looks better than the modern suits? It just looks more detailed.

Seriously, why does 08 look better?

 

[Max Doof]

I am pretty sure the excuse now is alien technology, hence why Iron Man’s suits are so unrealistic to the point of being laughable. The animators kinda just gave up on the realism. Is it wrong to say that Iron Man (200 actually looks better than the modern suits? It just looks more detailed.

Seriously, why does 08 look better?
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Thank Stan Winston and friends for the originals effects.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

Why can't we have a Rom spacekknight movie? Cool armor, the wraiths are nice squishy aliens, the hero has the right pathos people can latch onto.
The molds for the 80s toys gotta be intact somewhere

 

[Internet's Boyfriend]

I am pretty sure the excuse now is alien technology, hence why Iron Man’s suits are so unrealistic to the point of being laughable. The animators kinda just gave up on the realism. Is it wrong to say that Iron Man (200 actually looks better than the modern suits? It just looks more detailed.

Seriously, why does 08 look better?
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My issue with the new armor is that it looks too streamlined, I guess? Kind of like it's the power armor equivalent of a spandex suit, if that makes sense. It looked better when it was more clunky.

I'm also pretty sure that it was 100% CGI in the later movies, and you know how Marvel movies are with CGI.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Hmmmm. It seems Natasha got a possible love interest. Hes black.

 

[Idiotron]

I am pretty sure the excuse now is alien technology, hence why Iron Man’s suits are so unrealistic to the point of being laughable. The animators kinda just gave up on the realism. Is it wrong to say that Iron Man (200 actually looks better than the modern suits? It just looks more detailed.

Seriously, why does 08 look better?
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It does look better that there are a few reasons:
1. In the 2008 movie, Iron Man was THE effect, he was the reason to see the movie so he had to look proper. In Infinity War, he was just there among 50 other characters, nobody would look at him as closely as in his first movie.
2. Post-2012 MCU is Disney, they always rush and underpay their CGI departments. There's a shot of War Machine in Infinity War that's literally 2D, it looks like a Youtuber superimposed him into the shot, they also have things like a shot where they made a shitty looking CGI Mercedes because they needed a particular shot that they didn't shoot originally.
3. Everything is streamlined by Disney. If you look at the later costume designs, every suit looks the same but with a different color palette, it's just 1 guy making all the designs so that's probably why.

 

[Uranus Pink]

My issue with the new armor is that it looks too streamlined, I guess? Kind of like it's the power armor equivalent of a spandex suit, if that makes sense. It looked better when it was more clunky.

It worked for Alpha Flight's Guardian and Vindicator who both wore the spandex tier power armor which had the caveat of a being glass cannon.

 

[Overly Serious]

Apropos to nothing, I started watching The Inhumans.

It is not great and if they didn't keep making the villain do arbitrarily villainous stuff just for the sake of it, he'd honestly be the hero given how awful the protagonists are.

The dog is likeable and Crystal is hot. If you could somehow combine the dog's personality with her body, the show would have its first bearable character.

EDIT: On reflection, I don't know if The Inhumans is part of the MCU or not. Agents of SHIELD is so I guess this is, too?

 

[HeyYou]

Apropos to nothing, I started watching The Inhumans.

It is not great and if they didn't keep making the villain do arbitrarily villainous stuff just for the sake of it, he'd honestly be the hero given how awful the protagonists are.

The dog is likeable and Crystal is hot. If you could somehow combine the dog's personality with her body, the show would have its first bearable character.

EDIT: On reflection, I don't know if The Inhumans is part of the MCU or not. Agents of SHIELD is so I guess this is, too?

It was part of the MCU at the time, and as far as I know there's been no word of it not being so since its cancellation, which makes the rumors of a reboot Inhumans show on Disney+ rather amusing.

 

[XYZpdq]

iirc Inhumans got sorta shoved into the back and forgotten since they were the "well fuck, Fox has X-Men" plan

 

[SmugAutist]

It was part of the MCU at the time, and as far as I know there's been no word of it not being so since its cancellation, which makes the rumors of a reboot Inhumans show on Disney+ rather amusing.

The Inhumans have always been boring, at best being side characters for adventures to more interesting teams like the F4. That was until Marvel tried to make them the new X-Men since this was when Fox and Disney were being childish about their movie rights (see also what they did to the F4 for a while). It was so poorly done that they literally had an Inhuman vs. X-Men war where the X-Men were treated as villains. Needless to say, the readers didn't take it well, and now treat the Inhumans with open hostility.

 

[Overly Serious]

The Inhumans have always been boring, at best being side characters for adventures to more interesting teams like the F4. That was until Marvel tried to make them the new X-Men since this was when Fox and Disney were being childish about their movie rights (see also what they did to the F4 for a while). It was so poorly done that they literally had an Inhuman vs. X-Men war where the X-Men were treated as villains. Needless to say, the readers didn't take it well, and now treat the Inhumans with open hostility.

I actually finished the series. I sometimes get bad insomnia. Not in a tossing-turning watch the alarm clock tick by sense anymore because I just roll with it, but sometimes I just don't go to sleep but I'm also not motivated / functioning at a high level so I just read or watch something. I blasted through most of the season in one night.

I feel a little mean for my singling out the actress playing Crystal. Generally speaking, they were all bad. Maximus' actor was good but it was in defiance of the script. Younger actresses' like Crystal's didn't have a chance. I could believe most of them were okay actors actually if they'd just had a better director and time; but just felt like people had been handed a script, thrown on set and told "Go".

Most of the concept was dumb. There was a guy whose inhuman powers seemed to be that he had hooves. Even though in some scenes he is visibly wearing ordinary boots. Their queen has prehensile hair - I actually respected the way they solved that particular budget hurdle by having the villain shave her head as punishment in the first episode. And there was a fish dude who was a super-ninja for no discernible reason.

It had the bones of a decent story and the themes were actually pretty interesting to explore. But they had neither the time nor budget to make something of it.

 

[One Man Bland]

the big problem with that is, iirc, Death had been established as a specific entity in the Marvel Universe for a while before that, and so had Thanos
so if you throw them both into shit at the same time out of nowhere it would make no goddamn sense
maybe if they did some Special Editions where Death appeared when major character deaths occurred for re-issued of the movies or something but as-is that really didn't fit with the MCU, however more reasonable it was a thing in the comics
like how Adam Warlock was a thing that made sense showing up, but if he had suddenly popped up in the movies it would be "wait who the fuck is this blond orange asshole".

I see this argument all the time and I just don’t buy it. Death as Represented by a Character in Marvel isn’t some obscure metaphysical concept they invented that you need a PhD in philosophy to understand, personifying death has been around for as long as civilization has been. Just throw in references to Thanatos and The Grim Reaper and I think even the lowest common viewer denominator would get the idea.

Hell, I don’t even think you’d even need to make Death an actual character. Show Thanos making a creepy shrine for his waifu without her ever appearing onscreen if you want to really lean in to the Mad Titan aspect of his character.

 

[friedshrimp]

maybe the Mouse didn't want that since they've drank the woke juice and would think it's "unfeminist" or whatever to have Death be a love interest figure.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Real question here, what do you guys think will be the next big fad if and when the MCU gets the big flop in 2021 or 2022?

I've been personally of the opinion we're going to see multiple fads as opposed to the 2010's having the old binary of "capeshit and woke reboots/sequels" for the summer blockbuster season.

I've said this before, but I think there will be a return to the divergence between nerd culture and mainstream similar to the way it was in the 2000's where there'd be occasional crossover but otherwise one and the same and we'll have fads within both those scenes.

I think war movies are due for a comeback (thanks to Dunkirk and 1917) as well as horror (assuming woke culture really does burn itself out) and we may see video game movies finally get their day in the sun now that Detective Pikachu and Sonic have both "broken the curse" but anything beyond that is anyone's guess

 

[SmugAutist]

Real question here, what do you guys think will be the next big fad if and when the MCU gets the big flop in 2021 or 2022?

I've been personally of the opinion we're going to see multiple fads as opposed to the 2010's having the old binary of "capeshit and woke reboots/sequels" for the summer blockbuster season.

I've said this before, but I think there will be a return to the divergence between nerd culture and mainstream similar to the way it was in the 2000's where there'd be occasional crossover but otherwise one and the same and we'll have fads within both those scenes.

I think war movies are due for a comeback (thanks to Dunkirk and 1917) as well as horror (assuming woke culture really does burn itself out) and we may see video game movies finally get their day in the sun now that Detective Pikachu and Sonic have both "broken the curse" but anything beyond that is anyone's guess

It's not going to be much of a "fad" in terms of a genre but more of the style of filmaking. Less summer blockbusters and more made-for-TV Netflix and Disney+ stuff now since the cinemas are going to go completely broke if the lockdowns persist.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Real question here, what do you guys think will be the next big fad if and when the MCU gets the big flop in 2021 or 2022?

I've been personally of the opinion we're going to see multiple fads as opposed to the 2010's having the old binary of "capeshit and woke reboots/sequels" for the summer blockbuster season.

I've said this before, but I think there will be a return to the divergence between nerd culture and mainstream similar to the way it was in the 2000's where there'd be occasional crossover but otherwise one and the same and we'll have fads within both those scenes.

I think war movies are due for a comeback (thanks to Dunkirk and 1917) as well as horror (assuming woke culture really does burn itself out) and we may see video game movies finally get their day in the sun now that Detective Pikachu and Sonic have both "broken the curse" but anything beyond that is anyone's guess

Joker will likely leave some mark to create weird psychological horror, society bad, films. It will likely turn into the opposite of the sick girl trope that The Fault in our Stars created, where the darkness of conditions and illnesses are glorified rather than the romance.

Animation is likely to have a comeback. Sony is going to push Spide-Verse, Nickelodeon is getting back into the game, and Disney/Pixar may be forced back into their roots of early 2010/2000s respectively. DreamWorks is also still around and likely to bring back franchises like Shrek. We are likely gearing up for a pretty good comeback to the amazing 2000s and early 2010s golden years of animated films.

Video game movies are likely to be a big thing after Sonic and Pikachu, and soon Mario. Hopefully we get some good franchise adaptations, I know I am looking for Sony’s stuff like Ratchet & Clank, or Sly Cooper to do some. Really be cool if Valve got a Portal movie going as that franchise has really good potential for a film that can probably be made cheaply, what with all the white walls and such.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

It was part of the MCU at the time, and as far as I know there's been no word of it not being so since its cancellation, which makes the rumors of a reboot Inhumans show on Disney+ rather amusing.

The Inhumans and its subsequent floppage can all be traced back to Ike Perlmutter, who is also the reason it took forever to get a Black Widow movie. He was so incessant about giving the Inhumans a film and when Feige said no, he made them make an expensive television show that flopped hard. Unlike the X-Men, the Inhumans are almost impossible to do in live action. Ike threw a shit fit because of the negative reception so he got ousted from participating in the MCU. Also upon Don Cheadle playing War Machine he said all black people look the same.

Tl;dr Inhumans are because of evil corporate overlord