Science One third of America is ruining Thanksgiving for the rest of us by ignoring COVID-19 — but it's easy to see why they have given up

A traditional Thanksgiving provides a-near perfect recipe for infectious diseases to spread.

People gather indoors, en masse, to cook, eat, drink, laugh, shout, fight, hug, kiss, and exchange air for hours on end. Everyone is exposed to everyone else: the young, the old, family, neighbors, and friends.

This is an ideal environment for the novel coronavirus to run wild and kill people this year.

That is why, while empathetic to our innate desires to mingle, leading public health experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have said time and time again: Stay home this Thanksgiving if you can, gather outdoors if you must, and keep any interactions with other households brief, small, masked, and well-ventilated.

However, most Americans will not be doing that this Thursday.

A new Insider poll of 1,110 people across the US has found that roughly one third of those (37%) surveyed are not changing anything about how they run Thanksgiving this year. 31% of those asked said the CDC's recommendation not to travel this year had no impact on their plans. Most (57%) are even planning to mix different households at their dinner tables without wearing masks, opening windows, or using fans.

Yes, a third of the country is undermining the collective good faith efforts of everyone else to stay isolated, and keep our medics, essential workers, elders, and other vulnerable individuals safe.

But it would be trite to see this third of the country as malicious people. Everyone is mentally and emotionally exhausted, from going months without "normal" family connections. And they are justifiably frustrated: so many of our leaders, both local and national, have not done near enough within their power yet to prevent this virus's rampant spread across the nation and to deploy solid, evidence-based policies with enough systemic heft to make a dent in the pandemic.

So, let's not direct our ire at our neighbors who may not be doing the right thing around the table this year. But, at the same time, don't let their indifference to the virus infect your home. You could truly save someone's life if you avoid big Thanksgiving celebrations until 2021.

Canadian Thanksgiving seeded more spread of the virus there in October.

In Wuhan, Thanksgiving-like gatherings of tens of thousands of families sharing potluck meals for Lunar New Year in January ignited the virus too.

But the fact that the US is completely in the red already when it comes to new coronavirus infections means this will likely be the deadliest holiday gathering the world has seen during this pandemic.

Americans are tired and confused​

After more than nine months of conflicting messages, unclear guidance, and indecision about the virus, it's understandable that Americans would be tired and confused.

The virus situation in the US is near-impossible to contact trace, in many places it's still very difficult to get a test, and neither vaccines nor decent treatments to help quell the virus are here yet.

We've been asked — for many, many months on end — to voluntarily stay away from our relatives, cancel big weddings, parties, and holiday plans, in order to be good sports during the pandemic. But, at the same time, we've witnessed very conflicting and confusing policy decisions, which have done more to keep people comfortable as temperatures tumble, rather than focusing on what's safest, or best. Many bars and restaurants are still open, while schools are closed, making pandemic restrictions feel uselessly frustrating and pointless.

Add in a sprinkling of American exceptionalism, and it's easy to see why Thanksgiving has not been cancelled for so many.

"As a country we've been raised to believe that we do our own thing," former CDC outbreak investigator and Osmosis CMO Dr. Rishi Desai recently told Insider.

"If you're not in the ICU yourself, you don't see this as a big deal. What you notice is that it's affecting your life. You're bored, you're tired, you're lonely, and that's your experience. And so people act on their experience much more than they act on ration, reason, logic, data."

One doctor says he doesn't blame patients for doing Thanksgiving as normal this year, he blames our leaders​

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Health care worker Elizabeth Cameros, right, administers a deep nasal coronavirus test to traveler Wade Hopkins at a COVID-19 testing station at LAX on Monday, November 23, 2020 in Los Angeles, California. Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images
Dr. Eli Perencevich, an infectious disease specialist in Iowa City recently told Insider that many of his patients told him they will be doing Thanksgiving as normal this week, with extended family, and without masks. And yet, many of them have heart disease and emphysema, health conditions that doctors like him know can make the virus life-threatening.

He worries that these Thanksgiving celebrations could be the patients' last; it is pretty likely the coronavirus will be present at family dinner tables, given the current spread of the virus throughout the US. It is reasonable to expect that some of these people will die after their Thanksgiving meals end.

As Dr. Henry Walke, the CDC's COVID-19 incident manager, said on a call with reporters last week: "One of your family members, from coming together in this family gathering, actually could end up being hospitalized and severely ill and die."

But Dr. Perencevich doesn't fault his patients.

The blame, he says, lies with public officials, who haven't made it clear how to stay safe during the pandemic, or provided the good leadership, testing, and contact tracing required to squash the virus down across the US.

"It's just devastating that we're in this point where folks have gotten mixed messages, and a lot of people are getting sick because of it," Perencevich said.

He noted how politicians and local health authorities have too often let bars remain open when cases are exploding, and made it perfectly defensible for people to walk around indoors in public places without masks.

"It's going to get worse for the next weeks, no matter what we do, but we're not really turning the ship at all," he said. "So it looks like it's going to just keep getting worse."

Holding out for a big Thanksgiving in 2021 will be worth the wait​

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Elian McCrosky greets his grandparents, Rebecca and Randy Wells, at baggage claim at John Wayne Airport in Santa Ana, California, on Monday, November 23, 2020. The Wells are visiting from South Carolina for Thanksgiving. Jeff Gritchen/MediaNews Group/Orange County Register via Getty Images
The truth is, holding off on big gatherings, for now, still has life-saving benefits.

By Thanksgiving 2021, it's likely every adult in the US will have already had access to very safe, effective coronavirus vaccines. Treatments for the virus may improve too, making any illnesses contracted then less deadly and debilitating than they are right now.

So if you're part of the 10% of people who said they are going to bundle up and eat outside this year, the 17% of people who said they're going to open windows and increase ventilation at the Thanksgiving table, the 38% who aren't mixing it up with any other households this Thursday, or the 19% who canceled their turkey dinner plans, know that you're doing a good thing for your country, and that the sacrifice won't last forever.

"2021 is going to be a much, much better year," Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's school of public health, told Insider.

"My best guess is sometime late summer to fall [2021], you can spend time with somebody else and not feel that anxiety that we all feel right now. It's less than a year away."

About our polling: SurveyMonkey Audience polls from a national sample balanced by age and gender. Our polling data collected 1,110 respondents surveyed on November 21 and 22. All polls carried approximately a 3% margin of error.
 
Hey I got double cucked with that, no graduation and all they did was turn the friggin lights on. I still haven't had a make up party for that shit because no one can get their fucks in a line and fix this shit.

Not like I had any anyways, but now living in a new city with no friends and none of your old ones will give you time of fucking day, it's fucking balls hard.

No one is cancelling fucking christmas on my watch.

Point! That, Newsome being able to do fuck he wants and Fauci most likely sniffing coke off of a stripper's asshole most of the time.
Kids getting out of high school were always bound to be the most fucked on this, since they got robbed of so many things because of this. If they try it for two years (And they will, the government never gives up power willingly and this is the motherlode) all it's going to do is spur on riots that weren't sparked by false flags. And they will try to cancel Christmas. They want that power, they want people to shiver in fear and be miserable.

Don't let them have that power over you.
 
Kids getting out of high school were always bound to be the most fucked on this, since they got robbed of so many things because of this. If they try it for two years (And they will, the government never gives up power willingly and this is the motherlode) all it's going to do is spur on riots that weren't sparked by false flags. And they will try to cancel Christmas. They want that power, they want people to shiver in fear and be miserable.

Don't let them have that power over you.
Yeah I got fucked over pretty bad by this so I'm clinging onto christmas for dear life as the one good thing left in the world this year, and I have a feeling once childsniffer in chief comes in, everything will magically go back to normal before going to shit bc BLM will go apeshit and genocide white people
 
No no. That was fine. They wore masks. I like saw it on the news. So it was totes ok.

That's the thing. It isn't going away. SARS 2 CoV19 is here forever. Just like the other human coronaviruses that we just brush off as the cold. We are going to have to learn to live with it eventually. There is no making it go away.

That people still are wedded to the "we can solve it with masks" and the promise of magical vaccines that work 100% of the time means they aren't ready to accept it yet. So we are going to keep doing this shit until the rest of society loudly tells them to get the fuck over themselves and their fears.

I think there are a lot of people who don't realize this isn't magically going away after 2020. Like, the most basic normie meme of the year has been,"omg 2020 crazy bad, right??". I've even seen ads for cringey "2020" Christmas ornaments that have like, rolls of toilet paper, masks, "6 ft apart", etc. on them, like they really believe that once the clock strikes midnight on NYE it's all going to change.

Also, it's not something that is often discussed, but there's definitely a section of the population who like it because they can use it to get attention and validation for themselves online. Some of these people are 'bluechecks', others are nobodies, but they're all doing the same thing. Whether they consciously realize it or not, they probably don't want the pandemic panic to end because then their little 15 minutes will be up.
 
Also, it's not something that is often discussed, but there's definitely a section of the population who like it because they can use it to get attention and validation for themselves online.
I think they understand it on some level. The "new normal" stuff. They are just too isolated and out of touch to realize how fucked society is if that actually became a thing.

They also like excusing themselves from the rules because of [insert tiny insignificant prevention measure]. But insist on making everyone else play by them.
 
I don't know about you, but using the Rona as an excuse to not drive two hours to eat dry-ass turkey and see my uncle and cousin yell at each other about the election and just stay at home and make chili while playing Sekiro made this the best Thanksgiving ever.
 
A friend and I spent 6 hours playing Satisfactory, and then I ate curry. It was great for me.
Try to have a small Thanksgiving. Take precautions. Words like that would be understandable.

But no, leaders PUSHED that you don't travel, don't celebrate Thanksgiving, DON'T see your family. Otherwise, YOU'D be responsible for COVID.
You know, I don’t agree with TLS very often, but I have to admit that he nailed it with this one. If this had started from Day 1 with “here’s some good Common Sense precautions, this is worse than your normal flu so please be extra careful”, most people probably would have been on board. No one wants to get sick, and I like to believe most people don’t want to make other people sick.
Turning it into a political issue broke it, and the hypocrisy completely shattered any potential of getting some sort of unity at this point.
 
You know, I don’t agree with TLS very often, but I have to admit that he nailed it with this one.
I get that a lot. First hand experience and observation can do that to somebody.

If this had started from Day 1 with “here’s some good Common Sense precautions, this is worse than your normal flu so please be extra careful”, most people probably would have been on board. No one wants to get sick, and I like to believe most people don’t want to make other people sick.
Turning it into a political issue broke it, and the hypocrisy completely shattered any potential of getting some sort of unity at this point.
Don't let a crisis go to waste.

What did we achieve after the initial lockdowns?

Xenophobia, conspiracy, authoritarianism, lost livelihoods, riots, depression, hypocrisy to name a few.

Hope it was worth it.
 
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These disingenuous faggots are going to cancel Christmas too just so they can make sure everyone is miserable until Orange Man Gad is out of office. God forbid what happens if he somehow manages to stop Biden getting into office.
They're enforcing the Fisher King trope so hard that they're basically applying Pavlovian conditioning to an entire body politic at this point.
 
Don't let a crisis go to waste.

What did we achieve after the initial lockdowns?

Xenophobia, conspiracy, authoritarianism, lost livelihoods, riots, depression, hypocrisy to name a few.

Hope it was worth it.
The people who have the most invested in this approach suffer no ill effects from enforcing it upon others. I mean, until someone snaps and makes Uncle Ted proud in Minecraft.
 
Add in a sprinkling of American exceptionalism, and it's easy to see why Thanksgiving has not been cancelled for so many.

What exactly did this person mean by this? Is there something wrong with America being exceptional?
 
Can someone explain to me how the Black Lives Matter "protests" were totally okay, with hundreds to thousands of people, shoulder to shoulder, screaming and sweating all over each other, but me having thanksgiving dinner with 10 people is dangerous and forbidden?
A lot of them are miserable and they want everyone else to be too. Plus their leaders are too scared to say that the virus can spread during protests. I’m curious how many died from covid as a consequence of the protests and riots..

I suspect that part of what is driving them mad is that for all the policies and technology we have, that there isn’t anything we can do to stop it. They like to think that we can resolve anything if we just Fucking Love Science enough, that society always progresses, that we can accomplish anything if we follow the right policies thought by the right people. The virus is a living testament to the limits of modern science and policymaking. It mutates too quickly that a vaccine, if one actually works, will have to be redeveloped every year. It also means herd immunity will do diddly squat.
 
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