Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

Necromancy is 'violating', thus rape, I think is the logic.
That's a strange logic.

Necromancy probably "violates" the nature's rule of the cycle of life & death but literally having sex with a corpse is necrophilia, but if we keep the word in the first description i gave, isn't sexual rape.
 
Necromancy is 'violating', thus rape, I think is the logic.
Lily has only ever held that idea when it applies to Sylvanas. I've said it multiple times before, but yeah, Sylvanas has (or attempted to) forcibly raise people and bind them to her own will. But because Sylvanas did it it's totally justified.

Also:
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No one actually wants this. The people saying this stuff only exist in your head. Stop saying this shit as if it's a fact
 
Yeah, from my understanding, Arthas was just as 'violated' as Sylvanas in that he was puppeteered by the monstrous force of the Lich King and only regained his soul and awareness moments before death, crushed under the weight of what he had done while possessed.

Meanwhile Lily has said that Arthas always had a choice and everything he did was of his own accord and free will.

Also yeah, looking back through her Tumblr to find the statement, I can also confirm that the 'rape victim' tip is regarding Sylvanas, which is actually intensely disgusting to equate that to rape. It's a violation of one's will and soul, yes. In context of the fiction in which it happens it is a horrific experience that we can't directly relate to because it's not real and so mentally jump to other concepts of 'violation', and the visceral reaction to the idea is where an author might pull the disgust and horror that the character experiences.

But to directly equate something that can only happen in a fantastical context to an actual atrocity that real people have experienced? I try not to get mad at stupid people on the Internet but fuck you, Lily.
 
Yeah, from my understanding, Arthas was just as 'violated' as Sylvanas in that he was puppeteered by the monstrous force of the Lich King and only regained his soul and awareness moments before death, crushed under the weight of what he had done while possessed.

Meanwhile Lily has said that Arthas always had a choice and everything he did was of his own accord and free will.

Also yeah, looking back through her Tumblr to find the statement, I can also confirm that the 'rape victim' tip is regarding Sylvanas, which is actually intensely disgusting to equate that to rape. It's a violation of one's will and soul, yes. In context of the fiction in which it happens it is a horrific experience that we can't directly relate to because it's not real and so mentally jump to other concepts of 'violation', and the visceral reaction to the idea is where an author might pull the disgust and horror that the character experiences.

But to directly equate something that can only happen in a fantastical context to an actual atrocity that real people have experienced? I try not to get mad at stupid people on the Internet but fuck you, Lily.

Remember that these kinds of analogues itself aren't the problem as they can be used to touch on themes and bolster the tone of a story depending on the context.

Why this should piss you off isn't the analogue itself, no. It's that Jerry is making up this imaginary context nlt for any reason but to artificially make his waifu more sympathetic and thus make detractors look morally wrong if they disagree with him.


Seriously.
 
Yeah, from my understanding, Arthas was just as 'violated' as Sylvanas in that he was puppeteered by the monstrous force of the Lich King and only regained his soul and awareness moments before death, crushed under the weight of what he had done while possessed.

Meanwhile Lily has said that Arthas always had a choice and everything he did was of his own accord and free will.

Also yeah, looking back through her Tumblr to find the statement, I can also confirm that the 'rape victim' tip is regarding Sylvanas, which is actually intensely disgusting to equate that to rape. It's a violation of one's will and soul, yes. In context of the fiction in which it happens it is a horrific experience that we can't directly relate to because it's not real and so mentally jump to other concepts of 'violation', and the visceral reaction to the idea is where an author might pull the disgust and horror that the character experiences.

But to directly equate something that can only happen in a fantastical context to an actual atrocity that real people have experienced? I try not to get mad at stupid people on the Internet but fuck you, Lily.
Arthas "had a choice" in the sense that he chose to pick up Frostmourne despite knowing that it was cursed, but that's if you completely ignore the fact that that the Lich King had orchestrated the whole thing specifically to make Arthas pick up Frostmourne. After his resurrection, Kel'Thuzad openly tells Arthas that the Lich King had chosen him as his champion long before the Scourge even began.
If necromantic resurrection is rape, then Arthas would've been... threatened? blackmailed? coerced? into "consenting".
 
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For somebody who wants to be such a strong personality, Lily's tastes really do change with the wind. When one person of the Right Opinion (or Right Skin Color) says something, she adopts it wholeheartedly, even if it goes against an opinion she held before. There's no real thought behind anything she does, she just moves with the tides, either accepting the 'right things' to accept or hating things that are popular to hate.

Because honestly the anti-Vaggie sentiment's really shallow. The two writers in that podcast call her out for being a totally undefined character with a super-vague relationship with Charlie that you can't even start to figure out, which isn't true. Vaggie is highly attached to Charlie and extremely protective of her. She's angry at anybody who looks like they would remotely threaten her, is highly anxious when Charlie puts herself in perceived danger, and obviously cares very much about Charlie and about keeping her safe. You can extrapolate a lot from that even if it's not directly stated (and it shouldn't be in the pilot episode where you're selling an audience or a producer on a premise and you have to introduce that premise, the setting, the ensemble, the dynamics... what did these guys want? A conversation between Vaggie and Charlie where they talk at each other about how they met and why they're girlfriends? Sounds natural to me.) Hell, there's a huge point of interest when Angel Dust asks her (somewhat paraphrased), "Is there a man you do trust? Any men? Heh. Men?" Obviously something happened to her, it was an evil done by men, and it's probably related to why she's in Hell.

But because it's not elaborated on or specifically talked about, it doesn't exist and implicit information isn't real. Same thing for them just laughing off Alastor, too. The two writers make a point that there are 'no consequences' in Hazbin Hotel because Charlie didn't shake Alastor's hand, apparently totally unaware that the conflict is obviously going to be Alastor manipulating events in order to force Charlie into a position where they have to make a deal. The pilot established the tension of 'what happens if she does make a deal?' instead of following the immediate consequences and they dismissed that as the show having no stakes. Given that they're professional writers it was pretty baffling to see them just utterly not understand what the show was doing, 'cuz it aint' that hard.

Going back to Lily specifically, I did a quick search to figure out what the context for suddenly disliking Vaggie is and yeah, it really is that shallow; somebody else said something, I assume it was somebody with some amount of clout, therefore Lily is now cold to the character. Also the last time she mentioned Vaggie (properly spelled, at least) was three months ago and only now does she get an 'Anonymous Ask' which conveniently sets her up to mention an upcoming video. It's small potatoes compared to how she usually anons herself but still part of her pattern.

Somewhat unrelated but in looking for what she said about Vaggie I also found a few posts where she was railing against Hazbin ships putting Charlie with anybody that wasn't Vaggie and saying 'why would anybody assume she liked men?' She says this in the same breath as mentioning that Charlie's sexuality isn't well-explained within context of the show, implying that she must have looked at outside information too... which would reveal that Charlie is bi and that shipping her with male characters wouldn't be a problem even if Vivzie herself cared (and Vivzie does not care how people have fun with her characters so why raise hackles on her behalf?) Just thought that bi erasure was pretty funny coming from Lily.
Vaggie probably is the weakest and most undefined character... but it's a pilot. A pilot that needs to set up the premise and the world. Giving her focus wasn't a priority, and now that the show has been picked up she can be explored more. Like I'm not a huge Hazbin fan but I watched it, it's a neat idea, it has a distinctive art style, but some of these takes online act like it should have had the depth of an entire season or something.
Id like to mention that ive been following Vivzie since about 2015 and ive seen her process through the entire hazbin creation. Their names and their appearance in hell have something to do with why all the characters are there (with the exception of Charlie who was born there). Vaggie specifically was a rape victim who hung herself and ended up in hell unjustly according to Charlie. Angel dust was a coke addict who died of an overdose, Alastor was a serial killer who killed in a hunting accident, etc.

Now thats technically all speculation and it might change because of T.V. guidelines or studio interference, but right now that's what we know about their characters from what Vivzie herself has said in the past. Vaggie has an extreme disliking of men because theyre by all means the reason she's in hell. Of course if Lily did her research she mightve found that information and might still like Vaggie, but we all know doing research past "this Hispanic person said its racist" is all too reasonable.
 
Either Lily is sending herself asks again or she struck gold with a very inane person. Place your bets.
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On a different note, how dare Lily steal the smug wojak image from me. I shall have justice!
 
Remember that these kinds of analogues itself aren't the problem as they can be used to touch on themes and bolster the tone of a story depending on the context.

Why this should piss you off isn't the analogue itself, no. It's that Jerry is making up this imaginary context nlt for any reason but to artificially make his waifu more sympathetic and thus make detractors look morally wrong if they disagree with him.


Seriously.
Exactly. I don't have any problem with the analogy (I've actually used it myself in a pretty similar context), it's that Lily doesn't even use it as analogy-- she just straight-up considers Sylvanas a rape victim. There's no simile or metaphor or analogy, she just claims that Sylvanas is literally a rape victim, and that's really demeaning and dismissive toward, you know... actual rape survivors.


On a much lighter note:

'insect loving' lesbian neighbors

I know this was an autocorrect thing but I'd love to hear about the police raid into that apartment.
 
Either Lily is sending herself asks again or she struck gold with a very inane person. Place your bets.
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On a different note, how dare Lily steal the smug wojak image from me. I shall have justice!
so Lily, having nothing better to do, started a battle of vapid responses pretending to be winning against the troll she’s feeding

kind of strange that whenever Lily Tumblr is kind of slow, there is an obvious troll for Lily to gain empathy and validation, the fact that she chooses to respond instead of ignoring (the thing she says to do) gives me the impression that she longs for this type of interactions

any attention is welcome, even more when she can play the victim
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so Lily, having nothing better to do, started a battle of vapid responses pretending to be winning against the troll she’s feeding

kind of strange that whenever Lily Tumblr is kind of slow, there is an obvious troll for Lily to gain empathy and validation, the fact that she chooses to respond instead of ignoring (the thing she says to do) gives me the impression that she longs for this type of interactions

any attention is welcome, even more when she can play the victim
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Yeah come to think of it how come this anon was mean enough to call her Jerry but sensitive enough to censor rape and stab? I mean if these weren't Lily they'd have to be the same person right? It's rare that two people spontaneously go off at the same time like that.
 
Yeah come to think of it how come this anon was mean enough to call her Jerry but sensitive enough to censor rape and stab? I mean if these weren't Lily they'd have to be the same person right? It's rare that two people spontaneously go off at the same time like that.
That's the strange thing about this. I really support the theory about Lily is really playing dumb with that feature about asking in Tumblr, since the pic @SubarashiiRage provide is too specific. Probably i'm wrong but i'm not sure.

EDIT: Damn it, i don't see the posted times...
 
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Lily is simultaneously very talkative about her personal affairs and selective with what she shares, which results in no one knowing what is real or not when she does everything to control the narrative

all we have is her word and proof that her word is not 100% reliable

Lily has to stop sharing stories like that because nobody has an obligation or a duty to believe what you say, no matter how many woke points you have
seriously, everything looks like a pathetic cry for attention when you dismiss questioning like that
 
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Is she trying to imply that marriage is covert incest? God she sure as hell is milky tonight

In the Christian concept of marriage none of this even matters because everyone is already "brothers and sisters, children of god" and all marriage is is the joining of 2 groups. In a legal sense though it Implies that their family/your spouse is now a part of your family and you can count them on things like your will or other legally binding documents. Its not incest and its really weird for Lily to say that its even remotely the same as fucking your blood relative.
 
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Is she trying to imply that marriage is covert incest? God she sure as hell is milky tonight

In the Christian concept of marriage none of this even matters because everyone is already "brothers and sisters, children of god" and all marriage is is the joining of 2 groups. In a legal sense though it Implies that their family/your spouse is now a part of your family and you can count them on things like your will or other legally binding documents. Its not incest and its really weird for Lily to say that its even remotely the same as fucking your blood relative.
I'm not surprised, the comics explains a lot about incest things Lily love for some reason.
 
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Is she trying to imply that marriage is covert incest? God she sure as hell is milky tonight

In the Christian concept of marriage none of this even matters because everyone is already "brothers and sisters, children of god" and all marriage is is the joining of 2 groups. In a legal sense though it Implies that their family/your spouse is now a part of your family and you can count them on things like your will or other legally binding documents. Its not incest and its really weird for Lily to say that its even remotely the same as fucking your blood relative.
why doesn't the subject "incest" leave Lily's head?
it's so bizarre because nobody starts the conversation
 
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Anon: saying all men are bad is actually damaging to other trans people
Lily: all men are bad

Does she actually understand that she didn't change anything about what she said by saying "cis men"? The anons point still stands that anyone who chooses to be masculine and present with traditionally masculine features/values is inherently bad still damages trans men. It doesn't matter if you put "cis" in front of it because that's what trans men want to be. You would think Lily would understand that after all the effort she goes through the present herself in every fantasy as the hottest most sexiest badass cis woman in the world. The "all men are bad" shtick is so overplayed too I'm getting so tired of seeing it everywhere.
 
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