2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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:story: fucking hypocrite.

You fuckers have no right to bitch about SJWs or the Left whining about safe spaces ever again after this election.

But you don't bring anything though. WCT seems to always share bad news and is extremely pessimistic about Trumps chance of success (don't know his political affiliation) but at least what he brings are facts or reasonable takes on the situation. For all I know he voted (or would have) for Trump and sees the situation differently. Another thing I've noticed is that you often go on a reply spree where you will post multiple times within one page with cliched one liners

This isn't just you disagree or that you have values we find offensive, you are trolling this thread actively. Is that your right? Sure!. People will think you are a prick, but isn't that what you wanted?
 
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Nobody opposed to SJWs, "the Left", or both have ever argued that you have to allow people to do what you consider wasting your time.
Dude went full Reddit/Twitter because I pointed out Trump's lost everyone of his fraud lawsuits to date and this place falls deeper into desperation and delusion with each new failure.

If a blue checkmark had done that to a right winger you'd all be smugposting.
 
Sen Doug Mastriano is also trying to get a resolution passed in the PA legislature today. Which is going to be a nailbiter because he needs to extend the session which would normally end 5pm today.

https://ballotpedia.org/Dates_of_2020_state_legislative_sessions
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https://twitter.com/dougmastriano
https://archive.vn/wip/WnnM0

He needs to get Republicans to vote to extend the session and hold hearings into the the election irregularities.

The normal RINO thing would be to let the session end but his strategy is to force an up down vote. He can also filibuster.
Jesus fucking Christ, the suspense will quite honestly kill me some day. I don’t think, I can handle next week being the last week of this entire fiasco.
 
You know what. You're on ignore. You bring nothing to this thread other than tired 'cope' memes and disinformation from Twitter.



I reckon over the next couple of days we'll get some idea of how the GOP state legislatures are going to go on this.

Will they follow someone like Mastriano and flip the state? Or will they follow treacherous swine like Kemp? If they follow Kemp they're finished - the Democrats will rig the next election and even if they didn't it's hard to see much enthusiasm among Republican voters to vote for them ever again.

Kemp may have his landing zone in the Democrats sorted out but most of the Republican state legislators who follow him over the cliff do not.

"zomg trumpsters are rating me TOP HATS cope seethe cope seethe orange man bad"

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Dude went full Reddit/Twitter because I pointed out Trump's lost everyone of his fraud lawsuits to date and this place falls deeper into desperation and delusion with each new failure.

If a blue checkmark had done that to a right winger you'd all be smugposting.

We should have a new poll to separate out the mingled axis of Doomerism and Fraud-belief. I.e.
  • Believe there was fraud and Trump will win.
  • Believe there was fraud and Trump will lose.
  • Believe there was no fraud and Biden will win.
  • Believe there was no fraud and (just added for completeness) Biden will lose.
I imagine the majority of people will be in the first two.
 
Oh what the Hell. I'm just gonna go grab a bottle of red pills and wash them down with Kool-aid. The 305th MIB "The Kraken".....I'm just going to buy it all as it's the current year. May as well go all in. "Garbage, puzzles, and spectrums, Oh My". HK and SecretA just put my out of my misery, lol.
 
Nobody opposed to SJWs, "the Left", or both have ever argued that you have to allow people to do what you consider wasting your time.

Exactly. I have no objection to him spewing his low effort bait here, or better in the thread devoted to low effort bait, but I'm under no obligation to read it.

The notion that 'If I'm not allowed to yell nonsense in your face you're a hypocrite is absurd'.

Also, Pinochetian Minarchism doesn't exactly commit to free speech in all circumstances. For example, if the Commies are trying to take over it could be argued that extra-judicially killing them was a violation of almost all of the rights they would be guaranteed under the US Bill of Rights except perhaps the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. However, under Pinochetian Minarchism the violation of their rights is permissible because it allows for an authoritarian regime to take over instead of a totalitarian one. As leading foreign policy expert Jeane Kirkpatrick noted authoritarian regimes are both less repressive and much more likely to liberalize than totalitarian ones.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jeane-kirkpatrick/dictatorships-double-standards/
https://archive.is/os6uw

Surely it is now beyond reasonable doubt that the present governments of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos are much more repressive than those of the despised previous rulers; that the government of the People’s Republic of China is more repressive than that of Taiwan, that North Korea is more repressive than South Korea, and so forth. This is the most important lesson of Vietnam and Cambodia. It is not new but it is a gruesome reminder of harsh facts.

Moreover, the history of this century provides no grounds for expecting that radical totalitarian regimes will transform themselves. At the moment there is a far greater likelihood of progressive liberalization and democratization in the governments of Brazil, Argentina, and Chile than in the government of Cuba; in Taiwan than in the People’s Republic of China; in South Korea than in North Korea; in Zaire than in Angola; and so forth.

That was written in 1979. Apart from Zaire which collapses she was right about all the US-backed authoritarian regimes liberalizing and that all the anti-US totalitarian ones did not.

If there's a coup going on and the media is pushing disinformation designed to demoralize people are you obligated to allow them to do so? I'd argue no even if we're not quite at the helicopter stage yet.

https://merionwest.com/2020/06/17/no-antifa-is-not-synonymous-with-anti-fascism/
https://archive.vn/kaeLh#

Another Frankfurt School philosopher whose teachings appear to have influenced Antifa is Herbert Marcuse. In his 1965 essay “Repressive Tolerance,” Marcuse proposed a “liberating tolerance,” which “would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left.” It was, essentially, a partisan reiteration of Karl Popper’s “paradox of tolerance” from his 1945 work The Open Society and Its Enemies: “If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.” From a non-partisan perspective, however, we have no particularly good reason—much less an obligation—to tolerate Antifa’s political intolerance, especially when it takes the form of violence and intimidation.

The interesting thing about the Antifa aligned left is that their notion that censorship and violence can be used against wannabe totalitarians actually applies much more to them than the people they are tormenting. Similarly, the Democrat-aligned media and Big Tech companies have put themselves in a position where some sort of US government-imposed censorship is justified. And before anyone says 'What about the First Amendment' it's worth pointing out that Lincoln had opposition newspapers closed.

It's a shame that the modern US right is in the position the Chilean right was in the 70s but they didn't choose to be put there. The Democrats, the media, BLM and AntiFa, and Big Tech put them in that position by ramming through this election fraud through censorship and intimidation.

Pinochetian Minarchism is to regular Republicanism what General Relativity is to Newtonian Mechanics. In non-extreme conditions, they look similar but in extreme conditions, they are very, very different.

Now you could say 'If you believe in censorship and violence would it not also follow that the left will too?'. And the answer to that is 'Yes. but they would anyway. All the poisonous shit people like Marcuse came up with would lead to violence from AntiFa and BLM and censorship from the left regardless of how principled the right was'.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is mostly for the legislature right? Same as PA. Nothing actionable will happen from this unless they subsequently move to table a motion addressing it.

You are correct. Same thing that we saw in PA so hopefully Rudy and the team perform well.

The PA hearing lead to Mastriano leading the charge and Arizona's GOP seems to have something of a backbone. So fingers crossed.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is mostly for the legislature right? Same as PA. Nothing actionable will happen from this unless they subsequently move to table a motion addressing it.

Yeah. You can tell by the venue. It's in a hotel next to the legislature, not in the legislature. That tells you you've got a group of Republican legislatures led by some Doug Mastriano type figure want to hear the evidence but that the Republican leadership want it buried.

You are correct. Same thing that we saw in PA so hopefully Rudy and the team perform well.

The PA hearing lead to Mastriano leading the charge and Arizona's GOP seems to have something of a backbone. So fingers crossed.

Despite all the people telling me that it's over and Trump lost it could still go either way. I'll admit that Trump and indeed the notion that the US will have free and fair elections in the future is in serious jeopardy though.
 
Exactly. I have no objection to him spewing his low effort bait here, or better in the thread devoted to low effort bait, but I'm under no obligation to read it.

The notion that 'If I'm not allowed to yell nonsense in your face you're a hypocrite is absurd'.

Also, Pinochetian Minarchism doesn't exactly commit to free speech in all circumstances. For example, if the Commies are trying to take over it could be argued that extra-judicially killing them was a violation of almost all of the rights they would be guaranteed under the US Bill of Rights except perhaps the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. However, under Pinochetian Minarchism the violation of their rights is permissible because it allows for an authoritarian regime to take over instead of a totalitarian one. As leading foreign policy expert Jeane Kirkpatrick noted authoritarian regimes are both less repressive and much more likely to liberalize than totalitarian ones.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jeane-kirkpatrick/dictatorships-double-standards/
https://archive.md/os6uw





That was written in 1979. Apart from Zaire which collapses she was right about all the US-backed authoritarian regimes liberalizing and that all the anti-US totalitarian ones did not.

If there's a coup going on and the media is pushing disinformation designed to demoralize people are you obligated to allow them to do so? I'd argue no even if we're not quite at the helicopter stage yet.

https://merionwest.com/2020/06/17/no-antifa-is-not-synonymous-with-anti-fascism/
https://archive.vn/kaeLh#



The interesting thing about the Antifa aligned left is that their notion that censorship and violence can be used against wannabe totalitarians actually applies much more to them than the people they are tormenting. Similarly, the Democrat-aligned media and Big Tech companies have put themselves in a position where some sort of US government-imposed censorship is justified. And before anyone says 'What about the First Amendment' it's worth pointing out that Lincoln had opposition newspapers closed.

It's a shame that the modern US right is in the position the Chilean right was in the 70s but they didn't choose to be put there. The Democrats, the media, BLM and AntiFa, and Big Tech put them in that position by ramming through this election fraud through censorship and intimidation.

Pinochetian Minarchism is to regular Republicanism what General Relativity is to Newtonian Mechanics. In non-extreme conditions, they look similar but in extreme conditions, they are very, very different.

Now you could say 'If you believe in censorship and violence would it not also follow that the left will too?'. And the answer to that is 'Yes. but they would anyway. All the poisonous shit people like Marcuse came up with would lead to violence from AntiFa and BLM and censorship from the left regardless of how principled the right was'.
While it's true the South American dictatorships liberalised after the USA stopped supporting them at the end of the cold war, the current state of some of those countries is...not exactly inspiring. The "southern cone" of Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay is comparatively functional but I'd legitimately sooner live in mainland China than Brazil. At least there I wouldn't get shot by muggers and have the centre of the country turn into a desert because they logged the Amazon. And I say this as someone who is staunchly opposed to the CCP. I've just seen too many Active Self Protection videos.
 
While it's true the South American dictatorships liberalised after the USA stopped supporting them at the end of the cold war, the current state of some of those countries is...not exactly inspiring. The "southern cone" of Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay is comparatively functional but I'd legitimately sooner live in mainland China than Brazil. At least there I wouldn't get shot by muggers and have the centre of the country turn into a desert because they logged the Amazon. And I say this as someone who is staunchly opposed to the CCP. I've just seen too many Active Self Protection videos.

Chile is doing a lot better than Cuba or Venezeula. Taiwan is doing better than China.

Comparing China to Brazil is unfair since the people are so different.
 
Chile is doing a lot better than Cuba or Venezeula. Taiwan is doing better than China.

Comparing China to Brazil is unfair since the people are so different.
Believe me, I'm not trying to defend communism and I'm certainly not trying to defend Maduro. I just wouldn't hold up present day South America as an example of the success of capitalism either.

There's a lot to be said for Costa Rica never having any kind of extremist government during the cold war, left or right. Chile is certainly better than most of South America but they've been having a rough time over the last couple of years.
 
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You could say the same for the White trash and meth heads who keep pushing the R lever even as the rural states continue to decline.
Not really.

1) People in rural communities don't want government "help", they want to be left alone. They don't need more gibs, they need to not have their blue collar jobs either regulated into collapse or shipped overseas.
(The only angle this makes sense from is gun control, and even then Trump is better than the opposition.)

2) R-voters did flip the switch on the GOP because they primaried the usual GOP establishment candidates for a wild card in the form of Trump.
The GOP weren't giving white blue collar workers what they wanted, so they found an outsider who would. Your statement would be applicable of the rural R-voters went with Kasich or Jeb, but they literally went with the most outsider candidate in the primaries.
The same cannot be said for the urban welfare queen vote, who had Biden's back through the primaries.

3) Rural states are not "declining". Rural states are urbanizing, and the urbanization is bringing statistic decline at the state level.
 
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