2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Issue is he can't really give a fuck anymore. 'Cause he can't even tell what the hell's going on at this point. Dementia is a hell of a thing.

He doesn't have dementia, he's just high on being the most shrewd politician of all time.

Imagine distilling the essence of obtaining the nigger vote from your basement, without having to interrupt your child sniffing, you just question their niggerdom and they fall in line in exactly those places you need them to.

Amazing.
 
Push back how? I regularly go to these GOP conventions and seminars, and unless you’re part of the official club you’re treated like a leper. Eyerolls, false smiles, answering questions by regurgitating talking points. There is a massive divide between the voters and the actual politicians. To them stuff like antifa and voter fraud is very much a “you problem”. They live in gated communities and have safe districts. They don’t give a fuck about their base. None of the parties do.
Theoretically?

You turn the voter base against such politicians. Make it more difficult for them to be re-elected. Make them know that their meal ticket is your ballot. You attack weak seats and elect your people to occupy them, and then form an additional coalition on the legislative level that energizes the electorate on a broader scale-- both those things make it more difficult for the establishment types to disenfranchise you because if you all go, you're leaving seats that can be taken by the opposition and you take those aligned with your base with you.

You become a grunt in their organizations and ingratiate yourself with them, rising through their ranks silently until you're in a position where something can be done, and then you steadily start doing what you can where you are while leaving room for additional advancement if need be.

You pool resources and create PACs or at least simple money pools to support your people.

You polish your PR so that you can maximize the suspicion people have when you're maligned by the opposition.

There's always ways to push back-- things get sticky when you talk practicality.

Turning the voter base against an established politician who needs to be pruned is risky when you don't have a capable and captivating candidate-- unless you can cultivate desperation or hope, people will vote for the familiar. Should Trump be definitively defeated, that can shock plenty of people to go back to voting familiar instead of vying for what they recently lost-- this isn't them acting out of desperation, but out of resignation, since they can't let "the other side" win.

Advancing this way also requires coordination, because you have to operate clandestinely, if only initially. If you want to take seats, you have to coordinate to take low profile seats first and changing what you can there (so no gunning for Cocaine Mitch's skull throne from the jump). We're talking state delegations "small"-- in fact, even smaller than that, like county/city council seats.

And whether we talk about claiming legislative seats of any kind or ingratiating yourself with the establishment orgs, since you have to be subtle, one runs the risk of being corrupted by apathy (loss of hope in the face of the political machine) or an active selling of soul (pressure is put on you to say and do the """right""" things). On the opposite side of concern, you can have the undisciplined completely blow their power levels and get shitcanned in short order (to say nothing of payment processors).

What's certain is that this takes time, coordination, discipline, clarity-of-vision, and patience. If you start this coalition, you cast your vision in stone, and you permanently establish a sense of conduct that defines how you engage with the in-group and out-group. You wait until you've amassed enough influence before you make big moves. Casting broad nets is good, but everyone needs to know the score so nothing gets derailed by white nationalists/supremacists/identitarians or any other group who doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell to get anything of value done except allow your group to be much more easily maligned.

Of course... it's becoming all but certain that the Right-- in general-- has its work cut out for it in the next 0-4 years, to say nothing of the demoralization left in the wake of a Trump loss under suspicious circumstances.
 
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If the State Legislatures don't want to do anything about it, the Supreme Court can't make them. The Supreme Court was more about giving the Legislatures cause to act.

All that's left will be the US Senate rejecting the electoral college results on basis of cheating and throwing it to a contingent election, and if I'm correct that's the 52-48 post election Congress and I feel that's an even bigger long shot than the State Legislatures
True that the SCOTUS can't literally force the legislators to send their electors to the college on the 14th, however it's also possible that if the SCOTUS calls the election results in the contested states irredeemably tainted, they might give those state legislators the official cover they might think they need in order to send GOP electors to the college. The SCOTUS could also just declare Trump the winner outright.

I'm not holding out hope for any of this, btw, but it is theoretically possible at least.
 
A lot of people mused about this post-2019 General Election. You had a choice between Corbyn's crazy communism and Boris who claimed he'd give you everything you wanted. Still, they mused, what will you do if Boris does something you don't like? Both Labour and Lib Dems would be even more objectionable. So you've got nowhere to go. And Farage pulled the plugs on the Brexit party in 2019 and could easily pull the plugs on the Reform Party.

That looks like a uniparty regime. Now Boris seems to be slithering away from Brexit and promoting endless lockdowns. And there's nowhere for anyone to go. The whole system depends on whether or not the Conservatives can buy or bully Farage, keep UKIP crippled and use the intelligence services to destroy any far-right parties. Which they seem to be very good at doing.

And you can also see the deep state decide to push Keir Starmer as a Biden-like candidate to replace Boris who is now very unpopular. At some point you have to realize you're not actually choosing freely between candidates. You've got a uniparty candidate who the Establishment backs running against some jobber they've decided to allow a doomed run to make it look like a contest.
Just you wait until Donald Trump tweets about GamerGate and the Liberalist Revolution commences
 
UKIP is an absolute joke and is dead in the water thanks to lolcows like Carl Benjamin. A successful right-wing challenge would come from the Reform Party or anyone else but them.

Carl Benjamin did a lot of damage but the real problem is people like Neil Hamilton on the NEC deposing Nigel Farage, Gerard Batten, and now Freddy Vacha as leader and doing everything they could to sabotage the party from the inside.

That would have happened even if Batten had listened to people telling him that Benjamin was a lolcow.

Incidentally, the reason The Brexit Party was set up with Farage Uber Alles is that he didn't want to have a body like the NEC capable of being captured by Tory saboteurs like Hamilton.
 
Carl Benjamin did a lot of damage but the real problem is people like Neil Hamilton on the NEC deposing Nigel Farage, Gerard Batten, and now Freddy Vacha as leader and doing everything they could to sabotage the party from the inside.

That would have happened even if Batten had listened to people telling him that Benjamin was a lolcow.

Incidentally, the reason The Brexit Party was set up with Farage Uber Alles is that he didn't want to have a body like the NEC capable of being captured by Tory saboteurs like Hamilton.
Having that cash for questions corrupt loser in the party was always an obvious mistake.
 
Do you mean 2019? We didn't have elections this year.

Farage standing down in 2019 made complete sense because Boris finally pushed Brexit through and he didn't want to split the vote. He didn't know about COVID-19 at the time so that didn't factor in. The Reform Party will come back at the next election, but with the fixed-term parliaments act, that's 2024, a long way from now.

He better fucking do so. The 2024 election's going to be a fucking (METAPHORICAL) bloodbath one way or the other, the british political system is collapsing right now, it is the best time for 3rd parties and if the uniparty pulls it of voter disengagement's gonna be at an all time high for the foreseeable future.

A lot of people mused about this post-2019 General Election. You had a choice between Corbyn's crazy communism and Boris who claimed he'd give you everything you wanted. Still, they mused, what will you do if Boris does something you don't like? Both Labour and Lib Dems would be even more objectionable. So you've got nowhere to go. And Farage pulled the plugs on the Brexit party in 2019 and could easily pull the plugs on the Reform Party.

That looks like a uniparty regime. Now Boris seems to be slithering away from Brexit and promoting endless lockdowns. And there's nowhere for anyone to go. The whole system depends on whether or not the Conservatives can buy or bully Farage, keep UKIP crippled and use the intelligence services to destroy any far-right parties. Which they seem to be very good at doing.

And you can also see the deep state decide to push Keir Starmer as a Biden-like candidate to replace Boris who is now very unpopular. At some point you have to realize you're not actually choosing freely between candidates. You've got a uniparty candidate who the Establishment backs running against some jobber they've decided to allow a doomed run to make it look like a contest.




Yeah, I got my dates mixed up.

FPTP, it does that. So does D'hont to a lesser degree. If the uniparty ain't got nothing to fear from 3rd parties why would it ever give you what you want.

Honestly, more and more I am becoming convinced Boris is actively trying to sabotage Brexit, and willingly so. At first I thought he was a fucking idiot. But as much as I believe in Ockham's Razor I'd say there is a point past which stupidity is off the fucking table as an option and boy that time has come three times over with him. I mean I know he was already considered a fucking idiot back when he was the mayor of london, but come on, he can't be this dumb. That Withdrawal Agreement was so obviously shit, where the fuck was that bravado he used against his own fucking citizens when it was needed against the EU? Oh yeah, nowhere, because he only acts tough when he shouldn't. I can't fucking handle that asshole. And my god. I mean I sure can get a lot of resentment against Britain if I remember all the bullshit your government's pulled in the past, they sure fucked over us spaniards as a matter of course for hundreds of years now. But come the fuck on even if I try to get all that hate out, no one deserves a leader this fucking bad.

He's not a doomer, he just doesn't really care about the election because in his words "politics shouldn't be the forefront of your life and they don't really affect you". He's mostly just been lurking because he thinks this thread is autistic.

That's somehow even worse than being a Doomer.
 
Just you wait until Donald Trump tweets about GamerGate and the Liberalist Revolution commences
His last act as President should be having Barr formally indict Zoe Quinn for causing Alec Holowka's suicide.

Speaking of doomers, remember when everyone ITT was calling me a doomer before Nov. 3rd because I was pointing out Biden's obvious dual advantages of a) the entire Cathedral being at his back, and b) the masses are gullible dolts?

Yeah, apology accepted.
 
Nah, the plan(and the best case scenario) is to get all this stuff into one big case and then have the SCOTUS either declare Trump the winner directly, or send it to the state legislators who would then send republican electors to the electoral college on the 14th. Again though, I'm not exactly holding out hope for this outcome.
That's good, the most likely outcome is just for PA to flip and even then so many of the GOP are cucked and are easily beaten to submission. If the GOP actually show some balls this week, I might see the optimism but as it stands, the Republican party has been too cucked and cares little for their voters like the DNC. I used to be optimistic but seeing how goalposts shift quickly and all the fuckery going on with republican incompetence, it's so clear Biden will get in office. I want to be proven wrong and I want a huge salt mine to happen, but that will not be happening based on the current state of things.
 

Donald Trump Jr. aides launch super PAC as Georgia worries mount​

Advisers to Donald Trump Jr. are launching a super PAC to prod the president’s supporters to vote in the upcoming Georgia Senate runoffs, as Republicans grow concerned that Trump’s backers will boycott the elections.

The group, Save the U.S. Senate PAC, will this week start airing commercials featuring Trump Jr. that are aimed at mobilizing Trump backers across Georgia. A person familiar with the plans said it would be the first in a series of commercials spotlighting Donald Trump Jr. ahead of the of the Jan. 5 vote, which will decide control of the Senate.

The super PAC will air its ads only on conservative radio and TV stations to reach Trump loyalists. The organization is investing six figures to run the first ads on radio stations statewide, and later this week it will begin cutting TV and digital commercials with the younger Trump.

Senior Republicans are alarmed that Donald Trump’s accusations of widespread voter fraud in Georgia and elsewhere, which he has not substantiated, will have the unintended side effect of discouraging his voters from turning out in the runoffs.

The idea of a boycott has recently caught fire online, where Trump supporters have accused Georgia’s Republican senators up for election, Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, of not doing enough to intervene in the state’s ballot counting. Hashtags like #CrookedKelly and #CrookedPerdue have begun to pop up on social media, and some Trump backers have called for voters to write in the president’s name.

Super PAC organizers hope to extinguish such talk.

“There is a critical role that must be played in both Georgia Senate runoffs: turning out the Trump vote. We know from past midterms and special elections that the Trump voter is not guaranteed to every Republican candidate, which is why it’s vital to directly engage these voters and not take them for granted,” said Andy Surabian, a Donald Trump Jr. adviser who is helping to steer the new super PAC.

“To that end, we are launching an aggressive campaign in support of the two Republican candidates, focused on energizing and turning out Trump supporters, using television, radio and digital ads featuring Donald Trump Jr.,” Surabian added.

With just a little over a month until the runoffs, party leaders are racing to address the problem. During a Saturday appearance in Marietta, Ga., Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel got into a back-and-forth with Trump supporters who told her they saw little reason to vote in January because in their view the races had already been “decided” in the Democrats’ favor.

According to CNN, McDaniel responded that “it's not decided. This is the key — it's not decided."

“If you lose your faith and you don't vote and people walk away — that will decide it," McDaniel added, saying that “we've got to focus on Jan. 5 right now" and address concerns about voter fraud later on.

Other members of Trump’s inner circle have also sounded the alarm. Agriculture Secretary and ex-Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue has privately raised concerns that the ongoing focus on voter fraud could depress turnout, according to a person familiar with his thinking.

The president himself has tried to rebuff the burgeoning boycott movement. Trump took to Twitter earlier this week to announce that he would be campaigning in Georgia on Dec. 5.

“No, the 2020 Election was a total scam, we won by a lot (and will hopefully turn over the fraudulent result), but we must get out and help David and Kelly, two GREAT people. Otherwise we are playing right into the hands of some very sick people,” he wrote.

But the president has undercut his message repeatedly, going after Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, whom he has accused of not doing enough to push his voter fraud theories. During a Sunday morning appearance on Fox Business, the president said Kemp had “done absolutely nothing” and that he was “ashamed” that he’d endorsed the governor in his 2018 election. (Trump also endorsed Raffensperger in 2018.)

Lawyers supporting Trump have also spurred on the boycott push. Georgia-based attorney Lin Wood has repeatedly bashed Loeffler and David Perdue on Twitter and recently urged Trump backers to “threaten to withhold your votes & money” until the senators become more vocal about voter fraud.

Trump has received appeals from a range of party leaders to visit Georgia, where polling data shows the Republicans in tight races with Democrats Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock. David Perdue urged the president to campaign sooner rather than later and played a key role in getting a commitment, according to two people familiar with the discussions.

But Trump aides say the president needed little convincing. Georgia, they point out, is one of the few states where both senators are close with the president.

Vice President Mike Pence is slated to make his second trip to Georgia on Friday, where he’ll hold a rally in Savannah. Republican officials say they expect the vice president to be a frequent visitor to the state.

Donald Trump Jr., meanwhile, took to Twitter last week to implore supporters to "IGNORE" calls to sit out on the runoff, harnessing his wide conservative following to try to dampen talk of a boycott.

The new super PAC is likely to intensify talk that Trump Jr. is interested in pursuing a 2024 presidential bid. But people close to the first son say he’s more interested in playing a kingmaker role in the Republican Party and using his social media presence to advocate for favored candidates. He is expected to be heavily involved in the 2022 midterm elections.

Save the U.S. Senate PAC is being overseen by Surabian and Taylor Budowich, aides to Trump Jr. who were senior advisers to the Trump reelection effort. The group’s ads are being produced by Jamestown Associates, which also made commercials for the president’s campaign.

Republican leaders said they welcomed the help.

“Donald Trump Jr. has been incredibly helpful all cycle, and he’s been particularly helpful calling out bad actors looking to mislead Georgia voters," said Jesse Hunt, a National Republican Senatorial Committee spokesman.
The Republicans and the Trump family are so desperate to grift they're using the idea of a Trump JR doing a 2024 run to save the Senate :story:

I remember all the smug retards here sperging over Joe and Kamala opening a similar pac for the race, but here let's the thing, they're actually politicians unlike Trump JR.
 
I am getting more respect for Joe Jim Crow Beijing Biden out of all this mess. He really gives a fuck about no one and at minimum got at least 65 million votes. That I can guarantee.

Basically sat on his ass for the whole summer while his handlers made giant false promises and now is boldly announcing how he is basically Obama 2.0. Not even going to help out the niggers either.
Blatant electoral fraud is a hell of a drug.
 
Oddly enough Sargon of all people said 'If you stop Trump someone much more ruthless will come along in a few years and he will end your Republic'.

I can't say I disagree. If they'd beaten Trump fair and square I think that would be one thing. Beating him via electoral fraud and GOP traitors isn't the same thing and they're fools if they think it is.
I'm thinking a communist uprising (probably led by Vaush) will be the cause of the fall of the Republic.

1) Leftists are allowed to use political violence. Combined with weakened police and general dislike for the police from everyone else, all those Trump voters may well consider false flagging Antifa by wearing their uniforms and flags. The adulation of the police as an institution is waning. Trump losing means the concept of Law and Order will be discredited by both sides. What good is Law and Order if it's used to prop up an unaccountable corrupt government?
2) Neo-Liberals, while unable to dump their Antifa thugs, will still ignore them in actual governance. It's why the Bernie bros felt so jilted and rioted in the first place. Even if Biden did crack down on them, he still needs them a few years later as his foot soldiers to fight off any kind of Right wing. Business Dems are like Bloomberg or Steyr, old rich, white people that cave to social justice. Armed security protects them sure, but Commies backstab as often as they breathe, so they can also feel the heat.
3) Most people can unify under the message that Hollywood are a bunch of pigs that hold billion dollar assets and "civil forfeiture" to pay for the massive welfare state can be justified. The optics of burning that trash heap will look like the October Revolution and get Silicon Valley to panic. Remember that the distance between Northern and Southern California is about 300 miles or a six hour drive (probably eight with heavy traffic). It won't take that long for that Hollywood hatred to shift towards them for the same basic reason: gibs.

Mind you I think these are bad things overall. At best, it'll be the Spanish Civil War (which anarchists love to masturbate to) and SJW incompetence will destroy such a revolution. At worst, the former Trump voters will be in charge as they have the largest block. Either way, identity politics will be the most useful rhetorical strategy and the upper middle class will be under the most threat during this time.
 
That's good, the most likely outcome is just for PA to flip and even then so many of the GOP are cucked and are easily beaten to submission. If the GOP actually show some balls this week, I might see the optimism but as it stands, the Republican party has been too cucked and cares little for their voters like the DNC. I used to be optimistic but seeing how goalposts shift quickly and all the fuckery going on with republican incompetence, it's so clear Biden will get in office. I want to be proven wrong and I want a huge salt mine to happen, but that will not be happening based on the current state of things.
I never said any of what I mentioned in that post was likely, just possible. I will admit I hold out slightly more hope for the SCOTUS though, Biden's non-answer to the court stacking question may well motivate the conservatives on the court(I.E not Roberts)to take up the case(s) that come to them and hand Trump the presidency one way or another.
 
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Apparently Lin Wood's and the Kraken's case in Georgia is a shitshow because the only sued the state, not any of the fucking counties, and they own the friggin machines

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