Plagued Biden Derangement Syndrome - Blue man bad, KF, /pol/, Twitter and Reddit sperged over the 46th president

[proteus4994]

They tend to agree upon Orange Man Bad, and their control goes far beyond a few idiots on the internet.

Silencing critics tends to be something the AOC socialists and corporate Dems both agree on.

I’m a card carrying DSA member and I absolutely do not agree with silencing critics. You know who else is vocally against it? “Socialist poster boys” Chapo Trap House.

(edit: I don’t necessarily disagree with corporatist Democrats wanting to silence critics, though)

Pigeonholing everyone on the left into the same bucket is never really going to work. The party is too ridiculously diverse.

 

[Duke Nukem]

The Soviets spent their first few decades purging each other over minor disagreements. That reinforces his point. Leftists love infighting, even when they win.

They still managed to run a country into the ground for decades, just because you disagree on some things doesn't mean you won't work toward a common cause. Like branding conservatives as Nazis. Common enemies are the great unifier.

I’m a card carrying DSA member and I absolutely do not agree with silencing critics.

Could you please explain how a socialist country would work without silencing its opposition and critics, then? Because I've hardly seen a historical example.

 

[proteus4994]

They still managed to run a country into the ground for decades, just because you disagree on some things doesn't mean you won't work toward a common cause. Like branding conservatives as Nazis. Common enemies are the great unifier.


Could you please explain how a socialist country would work without silencing its opposition and critics, then? Because I've hardly seen a historical example.

I’m not going to derail this thread too hard, but America is already quite socialist, we have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, unemployment, worker reforms and rights, etc. Democratic Socialists aren’t trying to turn the country into pure socialism, they want to extend the safety nets already offered to cover more people and more things, such as a reworked college tuition system and universal healthcare. It’s not impossible to imagine.

You are absolutely free to criticize their political platform exactly the way Democratic Socialists criticize the political platforms of Democrats and Republicans. Nobody’s saying you can’t.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I’m not going to derail this thread too hard, but America is already quite socialist, we have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, unemployment, worker reforms and rights, etc. Democratic Socialists aren’t trying to turn the country into pure socialism, they want to extend the safety nets already offered to cover more people and more things, such as a reworked college tuition system and universal healthcare. It’s not impossible to imagine.

You are absolutely free to criticize their political platform exactly the way Democratic Socialists criticize the political platforms of Democrats and Republicans. Nobody’s saying you can’t.

So basically, you have freedom of speech.

But not necessarily freedom AFTER the speech.

Got it.

Seriously though, if you want to start a thread about DSA ideology I'm sure Deep Thoughts would be a good starting point.

 

[proteus4994]

So basically, you have freedom of speech.

But not necessarily freedom AFTER the speech.

Got it.

Seriously though, if you want to start a thread about DSA ideology I'm sure Deep Thoughts would be a good starting point.

Nah, while I generally agree with the cause, I’m not enough of a zealot about it to do that. There’s plenty of areas where I don’t agree with the DSA policy. The Green New Deal is a good example. A great idea in theory, but nobody has really put enough research into where money will need to go to deal with displaced jobs and things like that (ie. Downstream low skill workers who can’t just ”learn to code” or whatever), so I can’t support it in its current form.

Edit: Basically, like every American, no party fits my beliefs 100%, so you just go with the one closest to your ideology and hope they don’t suck too bad.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

I’m a card carrying DSA member and I absolutely do not agree with silencing critics. You know who else is vocally against it? “Socialist poster boys” Chapo Trap House.

(edit: I don’t necessarily disagree with corporatist Democrats wanting to silence critics, though)

Pigeonholing everyone on the left into the same bucket is never really going to work. The party is too ridiculously diverse.

It is just like everything in politics, the loudest people get attention. And when you get censorious, racialized authoritarians screaming that they believe in democratic socialism, it is the first thing that comes to mind when people think of that political side.

It is more common with the "big tent" political parties of the U.S. Remember how much Obama was tarred with the label of socialism? The freakout over him starting his campaign at Bill Ayers house, the anti-american speeches from his pastor, the condemnation of his "death panels". And yet at the end of his presidency, what kind of far-left policies did he implement? It was neoliberal, with any actual left-leaning policies like DACA being temporary, kick-the-can measures.

Biden, if nothing changes, will be just the same. Probably add more people to DACA, return some regulations cut by Trump, and be praised for being "a normal president".

And that might be what gets me BDS. The media is going to laud Biden for being able to piss standing up, like Colbert saying to Obama that he wants to "drink him in" because he is finally talking to someone presidential. They are already praising Biden's all-female communications team like it is a momentous occasion for women.

 

[Dangerously Gay Llama]

Decided to pop in this thread to let you all know I voted for Biden lol

 

[CheezzyMach]

It is just like everything in politics, the loudest people get attention. And when you get censorious, racialized authoritarians screaming that they believe in democratic socialism, it is the first thing that comes to mind when people think of that political side.

It is more common with the "big tent" political parties of the U.S. Remember how much Obama was tarred with the label of socialism? The freakout over him starting his campaign at Bill Ayers house, the anti-american speeches from his pastor, the condemnation of his "death panels". And yet at the end of his presidency, what kind of far-left policies did he implement? It was neoliberal, with any actual left-leaning policies like DACA being temporary, kick-the-can measures.

Biden, if nothing changes, will be just the same. Probably add more people to DACA, return some regulations cut by Trump, and be praised for being "a normal president".

And that might be what gets me BDS. The media is going to laud Biden for being able to piss standing up, like Colbert saying to Obama that he wants to "drink him in" because he is finally talking to someone presidential. They are already praising Biden's all-female communications team like it is a momentous occasion for women.

I'd rather have the media mindlessly dicksucking Biden then sperging that only Trumpers hate Captain Marvel or other dumb shit.

 

[proteus4994]

I'd rather have the media mindlessly dicksucking Biden then sperging that only Trumpers hate Captain Marvel or other dumb shit.

This is what kills me, the majority of the left hates SJWs as much as the Republicans do, yet the right insists we all want to implement some SJW infested hellworld.

 

[CheezzyMach]

This is what kills me, the majority of the left hates SJWs as much as the Republicans do, yet the right insists we all want to implement some SJW infested hellworld.

In fairness those tards are the loudest voices and openly pandered to by the candidates. * see all the tranny ass kissing Joe's done *

But these are the same guys who get triggered at being stereotyped as racists so maybe they shouldn't talk.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

This is what kills me, the majority of the left hates SJWs as much as the Republicans do, yet the right insists we all want to implement some SJW infested hellworld.

It is seen that way because they have the loudest voice. Chapo, Secular Talk, Jimmy Dore are small compared to Huff Po, The Guardian, or Salom in terms of mainstream attention. Plus it is very easy to adopt left-leaning social stances without expanding political capital. Institute criminal justice reform to reduce reincarceration rates? How about instead we create an all-black committee to investigate equity in traffic stops! #BlackLivesMatter. Saying you are progressive, in favor of inclusivity, and other positive-sounding messages is easy to convince the average voter, which is why the corporate democrats use that language.

If the left attacks the SJWs, it will weaken the left overall which the right will take advantage of. Because at the end of the day, the reason why the left and the SJWs work together is because you have some aligned interests. They both believe in utilizing more centralized power to improve society, such as increasing the minimum wage. Yet while the Left will view it as a class issue, the SJWs will frame it as a race issue (though none of them question why alot of non-whites have minimum wage jobs beside assuming racism).

Same with conservatives having to pay lip service to the evangelicals, even though the neo-conservatives and moderates would want to throw them off a cliff.

It is just the crazies in the parties need to get shoved in the corner before they become the center of attention.

 

[CheezzyMach]

It is seen that way because they have the loudest voice. Chapo, Secular Talk, Jimmy Dore are small compared to Huff Po, The Guardian, or Salom in terms of mainstream attention. Plus it is very easy to adopt left-leaning social stances without expanding political capital. Institute criminal justice reform to reduce reincarceration rates? How about instead we create an all-black committee to investigate equity in traffic stops! #BlackLivesMatter. Saying you are progressive, in favor of inclusivity, and other positive-sounding messages is easy to convince the average voter, which is why the corporate democrats use that language.

If the left attacks the SJWs, it will weaken the left overall which the right will take advantage of. Because at the end of the day, the reason why the left and the SJWs work together is because you have some aligned interests. They both believe in utilizing more centralized power to improve society, such as increasing the minimum wage. Yet while the Left will view it as a class issue, the SJWs will frame it as a race issue (though none of them question why alot of non-whites have minimum wage jobs beside assuming racism).

Same with conservatives having to pay lip service to the evangelicals, even though the neo-conservatives and moderates would want to throw them off a cliff.

It is just the crazies in the parties need to get shoved in the corner before they become the center of attention.

The amazing thing about SJWs is when you look beyond the surface you expose the grift. CRT is just so race grifters can get easy money by monologuing about bullshit no one cares about same with diversity officers.

Question is what will be the next grift once the movement starts aging like old milk?

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Can someone tell me what the fuck “the Left” is? Because I cannot think of a single thing “the Left” agrees upon as a whole.

Do you actually mean “a vocal minority of idiots on Twitter”?

The left wing is anything fundies and hicks don't like. Right wing is anything that means less public money for them programs.

 

[HeyYou]

I’m not going to derail this thread too hard, but America is already quite socialist, we have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, unemployment, worker reforms and rights, etc. Democratic Socialists aren’t trying to turn the country into pure socialism, they want to extend the safety nets already offered to cover more people and more things, such as a reworked college tuition system and universal healthcare. It’s not impossible to imagine.

None of that is socialist. None of it. Nor is what you're saying socialists want actually democratic socialism. This is the fucking "Nordic countries are socialist bro" argument all over again.

This is what kills me, the majority of the left hates SJWs as much as the Republicans do, yet the right insists we all want to implement some SJW infested hellworld.

No current left-leaning politician disavows "SJW" shit. Not even the socialist ones. I think you're mistaken on those being the minority, dude. The class conscious anti-identity politics leftists are the minority.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Politicians are upper-class. The big corporations who fund them are upper-class. SJW IdPol shit is a distraction from the only privilege that actually matters which is being born into wealth, it is in the best interest of wealthy politicians to keep poor people shitting their pants over each other's melanin content instead, so they're gonna play into SJW stuff as much as they can. Celebrities and big businesses are doing the same thing.

 

[nekrataal]

Silencing critics tends to be something the AOC socialists and corporate Dems both agree on. Hell the Bolsheviks didn't agree on everything but they still took over Russia. Radicals are rarely 100% in agreement even if they have some common objectives.

It’s insane how so many leftoids, especially those on twitter, will happily side with corporations despite hating capitalism and the rich.

The Soviets spent their first few decades purging each other over minor disagreements. That reinforces his point. Leftists love infighting, even when they win.

Leftbook is a good example of this. Groups constantly go to shit because there’ll be spats of infighting that eventually make up the majority of posts made. They wind up turning on themselves when in an echo chamber.

 

[Duke Nukem]

It’s insane how so many leftoids, especially those on twitter, will happily side with corporations despite hating capitalism and the rich.


Leftbook is a good example of this. Groups constantly go to shit because there’ll be spats of infighting that eventually make up the majority of posts made. They wind up turning on themselves when in an echo chamber.

I actually had a coworker who thought that China was a better country than the US. Granted he was hardly out of high school but it's really crazy to hear self avowed SJW anti-racist types praising a regime that's closer to fascism than anything they've bitched about in America.

It was actually quite pragmatic to adopt a market economy while maintaining the structure of an authoritarian state. The people can buy and sell commodities and the state has a greater pool from which to conduct taxation. As long as the general population is distracted as consoomers then the ruling party can do whatever it wants.

But really, what the hell happened to the Left, they used to be anti-war and anti-corporate greed when I was younger. Now they've embraced drone strikes (as long as a Democrat is president) and CONSOOM PRODUKT bullshit.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

But really, what the hell happened to the Left, they used to be anti-war and anti-corporate greed when I was younger. Now they've embraced drone strikes (as long as a Democrat is president) and CONSOOM PRODUKT bullshit.

I wish I had a definitive answer because it baffles me.

How did the party that claimed to be the champions of free speech become the hardcore censors? How did they go from being the party of peace and anti-war to being the party of "BLOW DEM UP!!" with their voters largely ignoring overseas violence committed. How did they go from hating the rich and the corporations to being excited over every little piece of product the giant corporations throw their way.

The only thing I can think of to explain it is that the politicians themselves don't really give a shit and will say and do whatever it takes to get elected, which is why they flip flop so much. They go with whatever will get them votes and/or support at the moment. As for the Dem voters, they have probably been successfully programmed into simply wanting their side to win, and as long as a Dem is in the White House, then its all sunshine and rainbows.

Again, I don't have a definitive answer. This is all I got.

 

[HeyYou]

How did they go from hating the rich and the corporations to being excited over every little piece of product the giant corporations throw their way.

A better example would be the fact that Democrats looking to unseat Republicans got an absurd amount of donations, especially from out of state. Super PACs and corporate donations trying to sway elections are good now, according to the people who bragged about Democrats having more money on Twitter.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

A better example would be the fact that Democrats looking to unseat Republicans got an absurd amount of donations, especially from out of state. Super PACs and corporate donations trying to sway elections are good now, according to the people who bragged about Democrats having more money on Twitter.

Those were also very ineffective at down-ticket level. Orange man bad was really the only thing giving the Democrats momentum this season, and they lost ground in the House regardless.