Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[GranDuke]

I guess I wasn't clear enough, but in my opinion rebrandings today aren't really rebrandings. They take everything from the previous character and just replace his face with some black/muslim/gay/non-binary self-insert and call it a day. Its not even that they are aiming for wrong demographics, but that they usually don't bring anything new to the table.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

@FROG, When I woke up this morning I saw there was some controversy with Cecil's twitter account. It amazes me how fast people are to jump to the conclusion that the "Etsy Boys" have something to do with it.

We had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was surprised Cecil actually unblocked me a couple days ago. Unless there was something I did not see him post, he can probably appeal and get his account back.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

This is partially related to what I wrote in comics book sperging thread, but we have lots of people who grew up with, for example, Silver Age (or Bronze Age or 90s) characters and think that this is how this shit is supposed to be. For example, should Superman and Lois be married? We have lots of people who claim that if they are not married then it is not real Superman. Yet character was fine for 50 years before the marriage. Was Superman broken back then? One could probably even make an argument that Superman's stagnation started at around the same time as marriage, but there is obviously more to it. Either way new fan doesn't give a shit if Superman is married or not, but 60 years old fat faggot writing him has very strong opinions about it and he'll make sure that you hear about them.

You know what happened when DC thought that Alan and Jay ain't working? They created Hal and Barry and changed the entire concept of what Green Lantern and Flash are supposed to be. Decades passed and we got bunch of new Lanterns and Speedsters, but for the most part they are all still operating under the same Silver Age premise.

Hit the nail on the head. We're past a point where any "continuity" makes sense, and every company is incentivized to regress their characters back to "Iconic silver age" for film purposes.

The only testing of the waters they do is when they make stunning and brave BIPOC-LGBTQWTF knock offs of the characters to try to force into films for social agenda purposes.

No stories ever actually progress. No characters change or progress. It's a ridiculous scam at this point and there's enough simps that "buy every DC title ever" that they'll go to the shop and pick up "I Am Not Starfire". Most will die of covid from being morbidly obese and diabetic soon though, so this model will be dead.

Indie Crowdfunds are the only way forward for real stories that actually mean something and go somewhere.

 

[FROG]

@FROG, When I woke up this morning I saw there was some controversy with Cecil's twitter account. It amazes me how fast people are to jump to the conclusion that the "Etsy Boys" have something to do with it.

We had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was surprised Cecil actually unblocked me a couple days ago. Unless there was something I did not see him post, he can probably appeal and get his account back.
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Nobody thinks you did it.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

@FROG, When I woke up this morning I saw there was some controversy with Cecil's twitter account. It amazes me how fast people are to jump to the conclusion that the "Etsy Boys" have something to do with it.

We had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was surprised Cecil actually unblocked me a couple days ago. Unless there was something I did not see him post, he can probably appeal and get his account back.
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Looks like it might have been Mags who did him in.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Nobody thinks you did it.

 

[The Holmes]

Fucking lol. Someone tell that retard Micah to go back to a coloring book and put his helmet back on. I'd encourage his stupidity (like lol Liam) if he wasn't so god damn boring.

Archive: https://archive.is/b7hMq

Someone else can do cliff notes on this shit if they had the fortitude to sit through the 20 minutes of Micah faggotry. I skipped through it and this guy has a strong case of never being able to get to the god damn point. Pretty sure what it boils down too: "Wahhh, mean to Liam, ethics, principles, waaaah, Liam is my friend." Yeah, you're friend that makes shit up to make himself look like a superman despite having those chubby little t-rex arms. Guess he had to make sure everyone knew that they were going to continue to touch micro peens together.

I tried to let Liam and Micah know NICELY that maybe this is kind of sleep inducing.

It was deleted almost instantly. The orange koala continues to silence voices of reason.

 

[Rupin]

Fucking lol. Someone tell that retard Micah to go back to a coloring book and put his helmet back on. I'd encourage his stupidity (like lol Liam) if he wasn't so god damn boring.

Archive: https://archive.md/b7hMq

Someone else can do cliff notes on this shit if they had the fortitude to sit through the 20 minutes of Micah faggotry. I skipped through it and this guy has a strong case of never being able to get to the god damn point. Pretty sure what it boils down too: "Wahhh, mean to Liam, ethics, principles, waaaah, Liam is my friend." Yeah, you're friend that makes shit up to make himself look like a superman despite having those chubby little t-rex arms. Guess he had to make sure everyone knew that they were going to continue to touch micro peens together.

I tried to let Liam and Micah know NICELY that maybe this is kind of sleep inducing.

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It was deleted almost instantly. The orange koala continues to silence voices of reason.

Good thing you archived it

 

[Newman's Own]

This is partially related to what I wrote in comics book sperging thread, but we have lots of people who grew up with, for example, Silver Age (or Bronze Age or 90s) characters and think that this is how this shit is supposed to be. For example, should Superman and Lois be married? We have lots of people who claim that if they are not married then it is not real Superman. Yet character was fine for 50 years before the marriage. Was Superman broken back then? One could probably even make an argument that Superman's stagnation started at around the same time as marriage, but there is obviously more to it. Either way new fan doesn't give a shit if Superman is married or not, but 60 years old fat faggot writing him has very strong opinions about it and he'll make sure that you hear about them.

There are core elements to a characters life that make that character work for the audience. Peter Parker (a character who's appeal comes from his relate-ability) was far more relatable before he married the supermodel and before he became a billionaire.

Superman's character suffered less when he got married because Superman is in essence a God and him marrying a mortal works far better for the character than perpetually hard luck Peter getting everything he wants when the core that made Peter so popular was that Peter almost never got a free lunch.

Part of what makes Bat-Man enjoyable is that despite the fact he's smart enough to kick Supe's ass without powers his life is a tragedy. If Bat's had Hal Jordan's backstory he wouldn't be likeable.

When GL and Flash were replaced in the Silver Age it was after the originals were out of mind for years (and comics were something kids read for a few years typically) Hal and Barry were completely new characters for a mostly new audience which made them easier to sell. It didn't hurt that Hal and Barry were at least as interesting as Jay and Alan.

Guy Gardner will always be more interesting than Kyle because Kyle's a boring cypher and Guy is something different and interesting.

When Bendis introduced Ultimate Peter Parker it worked because he stayed in touch with the relate-ability that made him work in '62 but when he took over Superman it became apparent that he had no idea what actually makes Clark compelling.

Fucking lol. Someone tell that retard Micah to go back to a coloring book and put his helmet back on. I'd encourage his stupidity (like lol Liam) if he wasn't so god damn boring.

'CG sucks.... but I'm in no way talented enough to survive in the crowdfunding world without it so I'm going to kick the can down the road.'

- Micah, 2020


This is peak CG. He is right about CG but losing Liam will only make CG less of all the things he and Micah were whinging about. The lack of self awareness present in this @Tyne address through this moron is hilarious and full of unconscious projection.

On a side note, "good writing" requires a level of introspection and self awareness so far beyond Liam and Micah's ken that it's fascinating to watch them flounder about with their derivative properties talking about how creative they are.

Perfect examples of 'The CG Lol-cow' in it's native habitat. And to get Micah to say it for him is pure sweet cringe.

https://twitter.com/TheVikkiVerse/status/1334221971266088961?s=20

 

[jspit2.0]

CG update.

It's one hell of a week.

As our good Newman pointed out, Micah is in crisis. He desperately needs CG dollars. On the other hand, he has tism brotherhood with @Tyne to consider.

Richard Meyer has had brief outbursts of emotion recently. He reviewed Tom King's latest abomination, memorialized Marvel describing it as dead, and noted the hypocrisy of privileged fifth? generation college educated TieNy Coates having first generation Irish immigrant Steve Rodgers lectured on his privilege in what I'm now crowning as his best video of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZysqOXUC18E

Is this a sign of the Zombie Apocalypse?

Ethan has been having a terrible week. Is he and Richard tied to one Karmic wheel?

He might have COVID, Cecil is banished from Twitter. But none of that has stopped him from dunking hard on Micah on Twitter

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1334212852140437510

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1334195876789702658

Micah calls Ethan a 17 year old girl. Pretty sure a 17 year old girl would have come up with better insults...

Ethan has been on a tear on Tube. He's slammed comic pros and has been having livestreams, subsequently deleted, regularly.

The news is apparently Cecil may have been reported to twitter by Mags!!!! (Lol jk it was probably just one of her rando friends triggered by him).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsc-JJ6aS3w

In reality he was likely targeted by someone for a meme of Ellen Page.

This latest whodunit, social media murder is a great late season twist in the never ending soap opera that is ComicsGay.

 

[EGB]

The recent live and let live movement is probably the direction to go.
I did a quick scan of projects and it looks like CG is approximately the same size it was a year ago +-10%.
There is so much saturation in a fixed market that quality is going to have to be relatively high.

Creating new comic book fans particularly since the price of entry is high, is likely a problem with no easy answer.
Less people read, and comics have some stigma - I listened to a portion of a Nasser stream the other day and realized I don't recognize many of the people or the inside references.

The insularity of CG is probably a barrier to entry.

Given the small ecosystem, and the large percentage of Ethan fans, it makes business sense to be cordial, even if there are disagreements.
With the small market size there is going to be EVS, a tier under him that supports maybe a 12 creators and then rapid drop off.
Smaller creators under that are going to have hustle and generate their own market.
I didn't dig that deeply but it looks have Tim and Mark, and Sweetcast have created their own followings.

With the comic book companies imploding much of the early intent is irrelevant. in retrospect much of the early intent was unachievable.
DC and Marvel are subsidiaries of large corporations, there isn't enough leverage from a few thousand fans to shift them in any meaningful sense.

In that context making comic books and merchandise, and creating video content for those that enjoy it is a direct way to satisfy a small market.

I backed Nasser's project, and am backing Mike's Lonestar, that's probably about the extent of my participation.
I spent the last 8 months elbow deep in politics and I don't think I've read more than two comic books in the last 6 months.

From a distance most of it looks goofy.

E.

 

[FROG]

CG update.

It's one hell of a week.

As our good Newman pointed out, Micah is in crisis. He desperately needs CG dollars. On the other hand, he has tism brotherhood with @Tyne to consider.

Richard Meyer has had brief outbursts of emotion recently. He reviewed Tom King's latest abomination, memorialized Marvel describing it as dead, and noted the hypocrisy of privileged fifth? generation college educated TieNy Coates having first generation Irish immigrant Steve Rodgers lectured on his privilege in what I'm now crowning as his best video of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZysqOXUC18E

Is this a sign of the Zombie Apocalypse?

Ethan has been having a terrible week. Is he and Richard tied to one Karmic wheel?

He might have COVID, Cecil is banished from Twitter. But none of that has stopped him from dunking hard on Micah on Twitter

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1334212852140437510

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1334195876789702658

Micah calls Ethan a 17 year old girl. Pretty sure a 17 year old girl would have come up with better insults...

Ethan has been on a tear on Tube. He's slammed comic pros and has been having livestreams, subsequently deleted, regularly.

The news is apparently Cecil may have been reported to twitter by Mags!!!! (Lol jk it was probably just one of her rando friends triggered by him).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsc-JJ6aS3w

In reality he was likely targeted by someone for a meme of Ellen Page.

This latest whodunit, social media murder is a great late season twist in the never ending soap opera that is ComicsGate.

Turns out Cecil got booted for calling Starfire's daughter "cunt faced". I wish I was kidding.

Zack is on fire lately, and it's just great to see. I told him that his videos were getting good views again, and he said, "It's easy to blame the algorithm for everything, but sometimes you're just making boring videos."

Yep. Dispassionately reviewing corporate shit comics isn't nearly as interesting as Zack tearing the fuck out of them, and the people who destroyed Marvel and DC. His observation about why there are so many new gay characters in comics was so simple and brilliant:


"I just figured out why they make so many characters gay
It's their shortcut to making them likable
You're not allowed to dislike any gay characters for any reason
Therefore you must pretend to like them." -Zack

When you can't create actual 3-dimensional characters, this is what you must resort to. Identity politics.

---The Micah and Liam situation is frustrating. They think of ComicsGate as a room or a party that we must all gather in. Therefore, if someone they don't like is in that room, they must leave.

Last thing, here's the package for the Cyberfrog PVC toy:

 

[Analog Devolved]

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@vonbrucken on twitter, you're damned right I'm excited about the Cyberfrog sale! I bought ten of them.

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Glad you liked the meme @Smug Freiza

From a distance most of it looks goofy.

E.

It's pretty retarded up close too.

Turns out Cecil got booted for calling Starfire's daughter "cunt faced". I wish I was kidding.

Zack is on fire lately, and it's just great to see. I told him that his videos were getting good views again, and he said, "It's easy to blame the algorithm for everything, but sometimes you're just making boring videos."

Yep. Dispassionately reviewing corporate shit comics isn't nearly as interesting as Zack tearing the fuck out of them, and the people who destroyed Marvel and DC. His observation about why there are so many new gay characters in comics was so simple and brilliant:


"I just figured out why they make so many characters gay
It's their shortcut to making them likable
You're not allowed to dislike any gay characters for any reason
Therefore you must pretend to like them." -Zack

When you can't create actual 3-dimensional characters, this is what you must resort to. Identity politics.

---The Micah and Liam situation is frustrating. They think of ComicsGate as a room or a party that we must all gather in. Therefore, if someone they don't like is in that room, they must leave.

Last thing, here's the package for the Cyberfrog PVC toy:

Micah and Liam are both fucking gay. They are the guys who show up to the pizza party and get mad they have to wait in line behind the dumpster.

The box for the toy looks pretty bad ass. High quality and will make a nice comic book shelf piece for collectors. That or they can add it to their creepy EVS shrine in the closet.

 

[The Holmes]

Speaking of Micah...

I'd pay real money to put these two gunt lords in a cage match and watch them throw down. A Battle of the Gunts PPV event would make for the best Christmas ever. At least for a few minutes until they tire out from the collision of pasty tard fat.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

Good thing you archived it

A lot of you think this was the 1st stream done on Liam's channel this morning. This was pretty cringe worthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuYt54UW0b0&t=43s&ab_channel=[CONQUESTCOMICS]

This is the first stream Liam did which was Liam posting a Metokur clip. The best part was the description from this stream. We will see by Friday if he didn't lie again. As of 3:07pm PST the strike is still on THE TRASH COMPACTOR channel. I will update this on friday. The screenshots from the A Final Message to Comicsgate are below.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/czATHlzTiH6t/

 

[A nameless trool]

i believe that Marvel and DC have lost touch with the youth culture. Whereas, in the past they pretty much had their finger on the pulse of it, especially in the 80’s and 90’s. Nowadays, you either have old boomers and gen Xers trying to write for the Gen Z crowd or you have weird outcast millennials and gen Z’s that never really connected with their peers with a chip on their shoulders. Both groups are failing miserably at writing good comics and this is why manga has taken over the comics industry the way it has.

I believe kids read manga because it is intuitive to read them: you start with volume 1, then vol 2, then vol 3 and they may end at some point.
Capeshit however... let's assume you watched and loved Captain Marvel. Where do you start reading and in what order?
Ms. Marvel? Well, there is an ongoing series, but then do you also jump to All New all shitier Avengers and Avengers but it is DiVeRsE TeEnS and if so in what order?
What about DC. How do you explain Crisis events to a casual reader going through the Best Of Superman?

Ultimate Spider-Man sold because it was issue-for-issue with no continuity baggage and the main Spider-Man titles were a cloneshow.
Marvel could do well with a crisis-style reboot.
DC could do well with more Otherworld-type titles.
Prove me wrong.

 

[Newman's Own]

He might have COVID, Cecil is banished from Twitter. But none of that has stopped him from dunking hard on Micah on Twitter

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1334212852140437510 https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1334195876789702658
Micah calls Ethan a 17 year old girl. Pretty sure a 17 year old girl would have come up with better insults...

Micah has always been a slack jawed yokel FROG, this was obvious when you were flogging his Batman as a diversity hire fan fiction as much as it is today. But at least he's consistent. CG has been a gate keeping movement at least as far back as the rise of the old EVS fan club known as War Campaign. The gate keeping was lauded and encouraged.

Liam and Micah, NPC's that they are, can only follow their programming. The CG they know and love has been a cancel culture club focused on eating it's own for 3 years now. These morons just want it to stay the way they like it.

God only knows how they managed to get the idea that CG is all about gate keeping. It's not like they've watched their heroes push multiple talented creators out in the name of loyalty or something.




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From a distance most of it looks goofy.

Amen.

Is that really you Edwin?

The Micah and Liam situation is frustrating. They think of ComicsGate as a room or a party that we must all gather in. Therefore, if someone they don't like is in that room, they must leave.

It's not hard to see where they got that impression.

Self awareness seems to have hit an all time low in Comics Gay.

EDIT:

This is the first stream Liam did which was Liam posting a Metokur clip. The best part was the description from this stream. We will see by Friday if he didn't lie again. As of 3:07pm PST the strike is still on THE TRASH COMPACTOR channel. I will update this on friday. The screenshots from the A Final Message to Comicsgate are below.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/czATHlzTiH6t/

Someone in the comments of the Bit Chute reup hit the nail on the head telling the epic tail of Liam's time in CG.

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[jspit2.0]

Speaking of Micah...

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I'd pay real money to put these two gunt lords in a cage match and watch them throw down. A Battle of the Gunts PPV event would make for the best Christmas ever. At least for a few minutes until they tire out from the collision of pasty tard fat.

He's always talking about peoples size? It's weird.

I believe kids read manga because it is intuitive to read them: you start with volume 1, then vol 2, then vol 3 and they may end at some point.
Capeshit however... let's assume you watched and loved Captain Marvel. Where do you start reading and in what order?
Ms. Marvel? Well, there is an ongoing series, but then do you also jump to All New all shitier Avengers and Avengers but it is DiVeRsE TeEnS and if so in what order?
What about DC. How do you explain Crisis events to a casual reader going through the Best Of Superman?

Ultimate Spider-Man sold because it was issue-for-issue with no continuity baggage and the main Spider-Man titles were a cloneshow.
Marvel could do well with a crisis-style reboot.
DC could do well with more Otherworld-type titles.
Prove me wrong.

Not being the god emperor of DC, I can't.

 

[EGB]

Is that really you Edwin?

Yes I am just a tourist though.

I've got a full plate with politics.

Is anyone keeping track of stats and sales now?

E.

 

[Mister Dongs]

He's always talking about peoples size? It's weird.

Micah is the master of the ad sizenum argument.

Fucking lol. Someone tell that retard Micah to go back to a coloring book and put his helmet back on. I'd encourage his stupidity (like lol Liam) if he wasn't so god damn boring.

Archive: https://archive.md/b7hMq

Someone else can do cliff notes on this shit if they had the fortitude to sit through the 20 minutes of Micah faggotry. I skipped through it and this guy has a strong case of never being able to get to the god damn point. Pretty sure what it boils down too: "Wahhh, mean to Liam, ethics, principles, waaaah, Liam is my friend." Yeah, you're friend that makes shit up to make himself look like a superman despite having those chubby little t-rex arms. Guess he had to make sure everyone knew that they were going to continue to touch micro peens together.

Okay,

• Micah says putting up this revised "Leaving CG" speech was his idea because he felt it was important the fans "keep in mind that there's no anger from Liam towards you" (emphasis mine)
• Liam wants to give thanks to his true friends, "Graded Point Five team, TUG, Yellowflash, RGE, Vinnie Tartamella, myself, Oz Art Creations, Michael Bancroft and White Cat Comics." Regarding the omission, I figure Oz is seen in Liam's mind as a CONQUEST COMICS employee like Mangerchan and Alex303 and not a friend.
• The reasons for Liam's disavowal segues directly the refusal of the rest of CG to banish Nasser, a sentiment shared by Micah.
• Micah then tries to segue how CG 's failure to gatekeep Nasser means it has become exactly what it once hated, but is unable to articulate how this is so and wades around in a pool of broken analogies and vague innuendo before settling on complaining that the toxic atmosphere in CG "behind the scenes" is equivalent to the toxic atmosphere in the mainstream industry with "one sided loyalties, manipulation tactics, threats, exploitation, blackmail". Micah immediately walks this back saying he took "poetic license" on his previous sentence.
• Micah then digresses for several minutes on the subject of DM groups and whisper networks and malicious gossip within CG, something he knows first-hand but finds distasteful.
• Micah follows with the argument that endorsement of someone's product is the same as endorsement of that person's behavior, saying sincerely "The fact of the matter is, we shouldn't promote anybody who does evil shit. Period point blank. Because if you do that you as the person promoting them are putting a stamp on everything that they're doing, and you know that."
• Micah then says that the ultimate victory of CG's enemies is to make CG like their enemies, not unlike the plot from Orwell's Animal Farm. He thankfully assures us that he has no intention of becoming the next Mike S. Miller or Doug TenNapel, something that everyone was deeply concerned about.
• Micah says Liam will be dropping the strikes on channels so "that's not even an issue anymore" and supports his decision to walk away from CG.
• Micah vouches for Conquest Comics' commitment to ethical capitalism and going their own way outside of CG, and intriguingly denounces the spreading of unfounded rumors and smears against other Comicsgaters as well as youtubers elevating content over human decency .
• He clarifies that "Comicsgate is not just a label, it is a belief system. You can claim to be Comicsgate, it doesn't make you Comicsgate", a belief system defined by the rich detail provided by Micah above.
• Micah closes by saying Liam had his loyalty for when he had his back in the face of "people throwing him under the bus for random youtubers", an oblique reference to his beef with Raz0rfist and that he and Liam "will see you guys soon".

Edit: After all this Micah tweets later he is proud to remain a member of CG, framing this as a stunning and brave move to deny victory to haters ike, uh "J-Money".

https://twitter.com/MindOfMicahC/status/1334269361696219144