Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[Zeke Von Genbu]

1: then I go IRL.
2: to be honest, at this point keyboard warrioring isn't helping the movement.
3: We gotta go IRL even if that means confronting ANTIFA.

1: No you won't, you've said that for months and you keep making excuses for why you aren't doing anything IRL.

2: You just figured out talking to an audience of a couple dozen people that want to laugh, throw rocks at you, and make you dance for their amusement isn't helping a movement? That 145+ IQ really working overtime huh?

3: You first oh great leader, all you've done is whine about student debt and how you need to be paid before you produce anything worthwhile whatsoever.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

1: No you won't, you've said that for months and you keep making excuses for why you aren't doing anything IRL.

2: You just figured out talking to an audience of a couple dozen people that want to laugh, throw rocks at you, and make you dance for their amusement isn't helping a movement? That 145+ IQ really working overtime huh?

3: You first oh great leader, all you've done is whine about student debt and how you need to be paid before you produce anything worthwhile whatsoever.

wow, you learned the rule of 3. maybe one day you can upgrade from your boring cost-center accounting career into a value add consulting career. See I'm a good teacher. You're getting smarter every day.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

wow, you learned the rule of 3. maybe one day you can upgrade from your boring cost-center accounting career into a value add consulting career. See I'm a good teacher. You're getting smarter every day.

Let me know when you upgrade yourself to having a job at all and not being a proud NEET.

 

[Pee Cola]

then I go IRL.
to be honest, at this point keyboard warrioring isn't helping the movement.
We gotta go IRL even if that means confronting ANTIFA.

Have you considered any strategies to take your manifesto and disseminate it irl?

Will you recruit others to assist with spreading your message? Indeed, have you recruited anyone else to assist irl?

How will you be able to harness your manifesto and turn it into an irl movement?

If you haven't considered these factors, you'll risk falling further behind in the event that 230 ends up cucking the internet. For all its foibles, the internet is an excellent tool to spread and amplify a message; achieving the same end irl will be much tougher IMHO.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Have you considered any strategies to take your manifesto and disseminate it irl? Will you recruit others to assist with spreading your message?

He's been trying to recruit kids through Discord, if you catch my meaning.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Have you considered any strategies to take your manifesto and disseminate it irl?

Will you recruit others to assist with spreading your message? Indeed, have you recruited anyone else to assist irl?

How will you be able to harness your manifesto and turn it into an irl movement?

1. You can see a tactic here. Force people to admit whether they support a border or not. Reframe anti-racism into white-genocide. Works very well.
2. I've given some of these ideas to friends of mine IRL but I don't expect them to spread the word. The avg person is too busy working a job, they can't become a political expect, like a 2nd job. So I want to give them the manifesto and they can spread it to friends and family. But very people will be able to actively spread the word because it requires being an expert. To do that, I need to get some of the e-celebs to join me.
3. I'm the type of person who is willing to spend 100s of hours watching online political pundits and debates to make-up my own mind. The average person needs all this information pre-digested so they can regurgitate the talking points. We need a manifesto to on-board the IQ 115-130 crowd, maybe even 100-115. That is how we go mainstream. A lot of normies are starting to realize something is wrong and they'll eventually reach the point where the msm is not sufficient, we have the answers.

 

[Narc]

ad hominium isn't a fallacy when character matters, when motives matter, when a person has a bias/prejudice or w/e.

Correction: *Ad hominem, not hominium. You can copy and paste from my posts if you forget.

 

[Pee Cola]

I've given some of these ideas to friends of mine IRL but I don't expect them to spread the word. The avg person is too busy working a job, they can't become a political expect, like a 2nd job. So I want to give them the manifesto and they can spread it to friends and family. But very people will be able to actively spread the word because it requires being an expert. To do that, I need to get some of the e-celebs to join me.

Given that joining your movement in a post-230 world would be career suicide for an e-celeb, this could be a challenge. What happens if you're unable to convince any e-celebs to take up your cause?

Even if they do come on board, how do you expect them to influence others without running afoul of midwit libtards and concern trolls who are likely to push for said e-celeb's deplatforming? Deplatforming is already a hot issue; the repeal of 230 may just turbocharge the deplatforming movement.

 

[Narc]

1. You can see a tactic here. Force people to admit whether they support a border or not. Reframe anti-racism into white-genocide. Works very well.

You linked to a post on the same page, quoting me successfully evading your strategy after several poignant attempts at legitimate criticism? As a critic, I don't owe you a response and IRL could reframe your behavior as harassment, which, according to present-day values, would be judged by the populace to be worthy of a brutish escalation. I have not wavered from the winning hand in this argument, for, in a hypothetical situation where you confronted me regarding my personal beliefs, I could even share your views privately and find reason to grift and attack you personally for disobedience to the moral majority, because you are an ignorant and libertine ephebophile incel.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Given that joining your movement in a post-230 world would be career suicide for an e-celeb, this could be a challenge. What happens if you're unable to convince any e-celebs to take up your cause?

Even if they do come on board, how do you expect them to influence others without running afoul of midwit libtards and concern trolls who are likely to push for said e-celeb's deplatforming? Deplatforming is already a hot issue; the repeal of 230 may just turbocharge the deplatforming movement.

But that's the entire problem isn't it? The e-celebs and even edgy-Con Inc. (Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter) WILL have to risk their jobs to advance white nationalism. Yes, the average person is a coward and even many people in this movement are cowards (e.g. Nick Fuentes). My job is to be a Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, Jared Taylor and go 100% full white nationalist and give the talking points that defeat the left. Once the left is losing, those e-celeb cowards will start joining. Alternative payment processors and platforms would be useful because they would lower the risk but the risk will still be there.

If you haven't considered these factors, you'll risk falling further behind in the event that 230 ends up cucking the internet. For all its foibles, the internet is an excellent tool to spread and amplify a message; achieving the same end irl will be much tougher IMHO.

I think we're reached a plateau. Look at Nick Fuentes, 3years doing the same message. Has he advanced the overton window. Most of the people who will get redpilled by /pol/ are already redpilled and the youtube and twitter's social media censorship is enough to cuck any serious white nationalist. It'll take years for alt-tech to build-up to the point where we can have the same redpilling power as 2015-2016. So I'm over online internet redpilling. We need to go IRL.

You linked to a post on the same page, quoting me schooling you. This big brain move does not hold for any cognizant reader, does it? As a critic, I don't owe you a response and IRL could reframe your behavior as harassment, which, according to present-day values, would be judged by the populace to be worthy of a brutish escalation. I have not wavered from the winning hand in this argument, for, in a hypothetical situation where you confronted me regarding my personal beliefs, I could even share your views privately and find reason to grift and attack you personally for disobedience to the moral majority, because you are an ignorant and libertine ephebophile incel.

Yes or No. Do you support the right of white people to have borders? Just say "No." Why are you hesitating? Because you know that's bad optics? This isn't even an "ad hominem." This is a policy question. The ad hominem will be that either you have white hatred or white apathy.

Also 9/10 liberal's harassment/bulling = holding other people accountable for their actions and behavior.

 

[Jah Hates Kaffirs]

But that's the entire problem isn't it? The e-celebs and even edgy-Con Inc. (Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter) WILL have to risk their jobs to advance white nationalism. Yes, the average person is a coward and even many people in this movement are cowards (e.g. Nick Fuentes). My job is to be a Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, Jared Taylor and go 100% full white nationalist and give the talking points that defeat the left. Once the left is losing, those e-celeb cowards will start joining. Alternative payment processors and platforms would be useful because they would lower the risk but the risk will still be there.


I think we're reached a plateau. Look at Nick Fuentes, 3years doing the same message. Has he advanced the overton window. Most of the people who will get redpilled by /pol/ are already redpilled and the youtube and twitter's social media censorship is enough to cuck any serious white nationalist. It'll take years for alt-tech to build-up to the point where we can have the same redpilling power as 2015-2016. So I'm over online internet redpilling. We need to go IRL.


Yes or No. Do you support the right of white people to have borders? Just say "No." Why are you hesitating? Because you know that's bad optics? This isn't even an "ad hominem." This is a policy question. The ad hominem will be that either you have white hatred or white apathy.

Also 9/10 liberal's harassment/bulling = holding other people accountable for their actions and behavior.

lol quiet faggot

 

[Narc]

But that's the entire problem isn't it? The e-celebs and even edgy-Con Inc. (Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter) WILL have to risk their jobs to advance white nationalism. Yes, the average person is a coward and even many people in this movement are cowards (e.g. Nick Fuentes). My job is to be a Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, Jared Taylor and go 100% full white nationalist and give the talking points that defeat the left. Once the left is losing, those e-celeb cowards will start joining. Alternative payment processors and platforms would be useful because they would lower the risk but the risk will still be there.

None of your talking points in this 466-page thread have been effective. They are slippery slope arguments, value judgments, opinions, and impossibly Sisyphean attempts to redefine terms with a presently-agreed-upon cultural usage.

I think we're reached a plateau. Look at Nick Fuentes, 3years doing the same message. Has he advanced the overton window. Most of the people who will get redpilled by /pol/ are already redpilled and the youtube and twitter's social media censorship is enough to cuck any serious white nationalist. It'll take years for alt-tech to build-up to the point where we can have the same redpilling power as 2015-2016. So I'm over online internet redpilling. We need to go IRL.

Look, if you're in it for the fame, I don't know what to tell you, other than, you're not well received and you'll be aging terribly quickly on this spongy bed of time wasted in your youth.

Yes or No. Do you support the right of white people to have borders? Just say "No." Why are you hesitating? Because you know that's bad optics? This isn't even an "ad hominem." This is a policy question. The ad hominem will be that either you have white hatred or white apathy.

I came to this thread with no preconceptions, but truthfully, I haven't been convinced that you are worth trusting with the truth about life, so this may be goodbye.

Also 9/10 liberal's harassment/bulling = holding other people accountable for their actions and behavior.

That's odd that you framed that positively, I doubt you're sincere about your platform/agenda

 

[BoxerShorts47]

None of your talking points in this 466-page thread have been effective.

Really? than why are you avoiding this question?

Do you support the right of white people to have a border?

I know this question works. I've field tested it.

They are slippery slope arguments,

which is the logical deductive conclusion of a axiom. Not a fallacy.

value judgments,

Ya, that's called morality. Politics is morality.

opinions,

lived experience

and impossibly Sisyphean attempts to redefine terms with a presently-agreed-upon cultural usage.

debunking

Look, if you're in it for the fame, I don't know what to tell you, other than, you're not well received and you'll be aging terribly quickly on this spongy bed of time wasted in your youth.

That's called a dream.

I came to this thread with no preconceptions, but truthfully, I haven't been convinced that you are worth trusting with the truth about life, so this may be goodbye.

Bullshit. You came into this thread believing "diversity is a strength," Confess!

That's odd that you framed that positively, I doubt you're sincere about your platform/agenda

Okay doubt me.

 

[Pee Cola]

I think we're reached a plateau. Look at Nick Fuentes, 3years doing the same message. Has he advanced the overton window. Most of the people who will get redpilled by /pol/ are already redpilled and the youtube and twitter's social media censorship is enough to cuck any serious white nationalist. It'll take years for alt-tech to build-up to the point where we can have the same redpilling power as 2015-2016. So I'm over online internet redpilling. We need to go IRL.

Going irl requires a lot of work, a robust strategy and a core of true believers. There's also the issue of people who've decided to nope the fuck out of irl because 2020. How are you going to reach people that are harder to reach, because they don't want to be reached?

 

[SIGSEGV]

Do you support the right of white people to have a border?

Yes, and we don't want you on our side of that border. You can stay with the rest of the dirty brown "people" while we throw peanuts at you from atop the wall. Because, lest you forget:

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Going irl requires a lot of work, a robust strategy and a core of true believers.

Correct.

There's also the issue of people who've decided to nope the fuck out of irl because 2020. How are you going to reach people that are harder to reach, because they don't want to be reached?

you cannot reach people who do not want to be reached. But there is already a critical mass of people who want to go mainstream. Look at all the supporter's Nick Fuentes has. I've shared his groyper war video with friends and the people who are already Ben Shapiro / Charlie Kirk red-leaning have liked his groyper war video. He is retarded, he should have continued his groyper war against Charlie Kirk with serious questions like white genocide rather than dancing Isrealis. If his rhetoric was better, he could steal a large chunk of their audiences.

 

[Narc]

Really? than why are you avoiding this question?

Easy there, my fat führer.

[Slippery slope] is the logical deductive conclusion of a axiom. Not a fallacy.

That is NOT true. Slippery slope is the fallacy of INFERENCE, not analytic deduction.

Ya, that's called morality. Politics is morality.

Look, you're moralizing, and your rhetoric stops at an oddly violent vision of white nationalism, which will not convince white people who aren't white supremacists, and they will join your cause while deducing in secret every reason that they will have to turn against you once your paradigm becomes dominant.

[not "opinions,"] lived experience

Beating your bussy off to chibi with your dominant (Funyuns-grabbing) hand doesn't count

You came into this thread believing "diversity is a strength," Confess!

Someone please take away this user's ability to react at posts with 'Mad at the Internet'

 

[BoxerShorts47]

That is NOT true. Slippery slope is the fallacy of INFERENCE, not analytic deduction.

This guy is too stupid to realize slippery slope isn't a fallacy, it's the deduction conclusion.

Look, you're moralizing,

So? Morality builds societies. Are you dumb?

and your rhetoric stops at an oddly violent vision of white nationalism, which will not convince white people who aren't white supremacists, and they will join your cause while deducing in secret every reason that they will have to turn against you once your paradigm becomes dominant.

White supremacy is a term to marginalize the white people.

 

[Narc]

This guy is too stupid to realize slippery slope isn't a fallacy, it's the deduction conclusion.

Nice t-shirt concept Boxy

So? Morality builds societies. Are you dumb?

Morality doesn't build societies, work and trade for necessities do. I am dumb.

White supremacy is a term to marginalize the white people.

I'll give this one my best shot, but it seems you're not capable of responding to a single criticism without circularly repeating your talking points, so I will leave you to your own irritation and degenerate malaise after this post. White supremacy is a different concept from white nationalism. White nationalism is a mere question of correcting existing representation. WS involves discrimination not only against non-whites, but also against degenerate whites; furthermore, white supremacy can be a position held by non-whites who are interested in white excellence only. From the start of this thread, you yourself seem to have admitted to fragility and weakness in your resentment towards non-whites demanding moral excellence from whites. For what it's worth, I would argue that a white nationalist platform seeking mainstream acceptance would try to differentiate itself from white supremacist views, but you make a few of your own apparent here with your claim that a white person "isn't white" if they don't speak with a "white voice." This is what happens when you are preoccupied with a 'model' of thought being true, and thereby engage in all sorts of fallacies to attempt to dispel any negative aspects of that model of thought as non-existent as opposed to non-true. You end up speaking in circles and bringing yourself to an increasingly dogmatic and less tenable hold on your own views.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Nice t-shirt concept Boxy

Morality doesn't build societies, work and trade for necessities do. I am dumb.

I'll give this one my best shot, but it seems you're not capable of responding to a single criticism without circularly repeating your talking points, so I will leave you to your own irritation and degenerate malaise after this post. White supremacy is a different concept from white nationalism. White nationalism is a mere question of correcting existing representation. WS involves discrimination not only against non-whites, but also against degenerate whites; furthermore, white supremacy can be a position held by non-whites who are interested in white excellence only. From the start of this thread, you yourself seem to have admitted to fragility and weakness in your resentment towards non-whites demanding moral excellence from whites. For what it's worth, I would argue that a white nationalist platform seeking mainstream acceptance would try to differentiate itself from white supremacist views, but you make a few of your own apparent here with your claim that a white person "isn't white" if they don't speak with a "white voice." This is what happens when you are preoccupied with a 'model' of thought being true, and thereby engage in all sorts of fallacies to attempt to dispel any negative aspects of that model of thought as non-existent as opposed to non-true. You end up speaking in circles and bringing yourself to an increasingly dogmatic and less tenable hold on your own views.

pure midwit. imagine being too stupid to realize whtie supremacy is a term to marginalize white nationalist. Go listen to the media. They're even rebranding George Wallace as a "white nationalist."