Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Biden wants "just" 100 days of masks...people do realize that's over 3 months, right? Wanna wear a mask until March or April fine, but don't act like it's anything other than what it is.

A big problem I've always had with the stuff the Democrats tend to do is that they treat the public like a bunch of ADHD-addled toddlers. If the public complains about something it's okay, they'll just jingle their keys and suddenly *poof* the problem isn't being complained about any more. It makes me sick how well this technique works on grown adults and has made me more of a cranky old hermit than ever.
I'm actually starting to get pained by how relevant this C.S. Lewis quote has become in the wake of the coof hysteria:
C.S. Lewis said:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
It's a sentiment that I've heard distressingly often, especially this past year, where people operate under the assumption that the majority of people are retarded and shouldn't be allowed to determine how their lives are led. It's where you get lines like "the average person is really dumb and half of people are below average," with the not-so-subtle implication that huge swaths of the public must be forced into changing for their own good. Of course they won't have any say in the matter, they're too stupid for that.

Yeah, some people are dumb and do dumb things. Yes, an argument can be made that some of these things can end up hurting the public at large (fatties giving themselves the beetus and putting unnecessary strain on the health system). But forcing change against someone's will is only going to result in pushback and defiance, either immediately or down the line. I'd like to think that even the biggest lockdown Koolaid drinkers are going to reach a breaking point, likely if the vaccine doesn't result in the return to normalcy they were promised.

People seem to have forgotten that their fellow man is still a human being, and that line of thought leads to tragedy.
 
Hysterical doomers aside, people are fucking sick of this. There's already talk of more lockdowns in January in my country but they're not something I can't see getting a second wind. Compliance during the second one dropped massively compared to the first, I don't know anyone who wasn't breaking the rules as much as they thought they could get away with. Masks might hang on longer because they're less obtrusive, unless you're wearing one for a ten hour shift in a hot kitchen it's not that much trouble to throw one on where it's legally required.

"Until there's a vaccine" has been the definite end point everyone has been talking about for months. Well, now there is a vaccine.
Ha. And yesterday we were told there were enough doses for 20million people. Now its 800,000 people. Riiiigggghhht.


And in a month deaths from old age and natural causes in old people will be through the roof despite having been absent since march. That or itll ne the flu and we will be getting pressured to get the flu vaccine.
 
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Here's a weird article I found describing the flu season of *2017-2018*:


Some quotes:
The 2017-2018 influenza epidemic is sending people to hospitals and urgent-care centers in every state, and medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures: asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting friends and family visits and canceling elective surgeries, to name a few.
In California, which has been particularly hard hit by this season’s flu, several hospitals have set up large “surge tents” outside their emergency departments to accommodate and treat flu patients. Even then, the LA Timesreported this week, emergency departments had standing-room only, and some patients had to be treated in hallways.
The flu has especially affected hospital patients with other health issues, says Braciszewski, who works with cardiac patients. “Almost every patient in the hospital has the flu, and it’s making their pre-existing conditions worse,” she says. “More and more patients are needing mechanical ventilation due to respiratory failure from the flu and other rampant upper respiratory infections.”

I have very faint memories of teasing my pro-flu-shot friends about how badly the flu shot had failed that year... but that's it. They didn't shut down the universe...
 
It's a sentiment that I've heard distressingly often, especially this past year, where people operate under the assumption that the majority of people are retarded and shouldn't be allowed to determine how their lives are led. It's where you get lines like "the average person is really dumb and half of people are below average," with the not-so-subtle implication that huge swaths of the public must be forced into changing for their own good. Of course they won't have any say in the matter, they're too stupid for that.
Ever notice that the ones talking the loudest about the average person being dumb and others are even dumber (which is something George Carlin said, and I'll bet he wasn't the first) aren't that bright themselves?

It's like something I run into around survivalist and homesteading types, they get all puffed up and talk about how "the sheep"are doing as they're told, going to school then getting a job and buying product that The! Evol! Corporations! tell them to buy. Then you ask what Mr Survivalist does for a living and you find out that he trained for a job and he now works at it for much of his day, then he buys stuff he wants. Do not point out the similarities in lifestyle as you will be the only one seeing them.
 
I don't understand it people in the thread seem more concerned about wearing a mask for a couple months. Trust me if you are worried about that then you are gonna want to hang yourself when you find out what is gonna happen when the vaccines are being deployed and it is your turn to get it.
 
I can see now, months later, that this COVID-19 business was used to push a nefarious, hidden agenda. What we've just witnessed is the most massive psychological warfare operation in human history. A global PsyWar.


There are over a thousand videos of people being detained at checkpoints, people collapsing and seizing on the ground, temporary hospitals being built, mass graves being dug, bodybags being tossed in the back of freezer trucks, et cetera, et cetera. How do you fake something like this? One or two, I could understand, but hundreds? In multiple countries? Wuhan, Tehran, Guayaquil, all over the damn place. It's insane. Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that this shit was real. Now, I'm not so sure.

The COVID-19 death figures replaced the deaths from all other causes in the US. The total excess deaths remained practically the same over the year, compared to previous years.


What in the everloving fuck is going on here? VILI can cause symptoms that look like ARDS/ALI. What if thousands of pensioners were murdered with ventilators? High PEEP settings and barotrauma can trigger severe inflammatory injury of the lungs.




Treating a vascular endotheliitis of the lungs with a ventilator is stupid anyway. Forcing more air in wouldn't fucking do anything but make the inflammation worse; if the blood-air barrier is compromised and there's pulmonary angioedema and a ton of hyaluronan in there, and there are tons of little blood clots, more air does nothing. The only way to fix it is to restore endothelial health, and the only way to do that is with antioxidants and anti-inflammatory drugs.

I can tell you right now, Apocynin, Melatonin, Vitamin D, Indomethacin, and Dexamethasone could fix this shit immediately. You have to stop the neutrophilia and lipid peroxidation triggered by the virus, and once you do that, endothelial health is restored, coagulopathy resolves, and the subject can breathe normally again. I can almost guarantee this. In fact, I would be willing to bet money on it. If you give any COVID-19 patient a cocktail of the aforementioned drugs, their symptoms will resolve. Apocynin and Vitamin D prevent NADPH oxidase in neutrophils from overproducing free radicals. Melatonin suppresses the NF-kB pathway. Indomethacin prevents the iron-driven oxidation of arachidonic acid to isoprostanes. Dexamethasone helps calm down the immune system more generally. No ventilator is necessary.

This shit is infuriating to watch. It's infuriating because the physiology of Acute Lung Injury has been known for a very, very long time.

 
Here's a weird article I found describing the flu season of *2017-2018*:


Some quotes:




I have very faint memories of teasing my pro-flu-shot friends about how badly the flu shot had failed that year... but that's it. They didn't shut down the universe...
Flu shots are legitimately a shot in the dark. It's theroetical guesswork of *which* strain will be the most common (typically labeled strain A for the year followed by strain B near the end of the flu season though other strains are possible) and the vaccine is made to combat that. If you can vaccinate against a strain that causes a little more than half of flu cases, that would be theoretically good. 2017-2018 was just a massive failure because strain B ended up being a far stronger strain than A and hit about 2 months before it was projected to.

Schools in my area did have to shut down for about a week and customer facing areas did have to be sanitized frequently (basically the same procedures we have for covid) but it wasn't the end of the world and we operated at a normal capacity back then.
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Masks are completely pointless in this setting. Might as well not have the band there
 
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Treating a vascular endotheliitis of the lungs with a ventilator is stupid anyway. Forcing more air in wouldn't fucking do anything but make the inflammation worse; if the blood-air barrier is compromised and there's pulmonary angioedema and a ton of hyaluronan in there, and there are tons of little blood clots, more air does nothing. The only way to fix it is to restore endothelial health, and the only way to do that is with antioxidants and anti-inflammatory drugs.

There's still no consensus about ventilator settings by the way. It isn't ARDS except when it sometimes is ARDS. It's really not surprising NYC managed to murder so many patients with them.

I started getting a NAC drip set up before I left to go back outpatient and that shit was working great.
 
There's still no consensus about ventilator settings by the way. It isn't ARDS except when it sometimes is ARDS. It's really not surprising NYC managed to murder so many patients with them.

I started getting a NAC drip set up before I left to go back outpatient and that shit was working great.

N-acetylcysteine, too. Anything to boost levels of Vitamin D, selenium, glutathione, dietary nitrate, and so on. The body's own antioxidant precursors and sustainers, in other words.

SARS-CoV-2's proteins have some very weird tricks, many of which essentially promote a pro-oxidative state in the body by disabling its natural antioxidant pathways. This, in turn, leads to lipid peroxidation.







I don't think a lot of people realize that a large portion of what's happening in COVID-19 is neutrophilia. Hell, the average person on the street doesn't even know what neutrophils are, or how extravasation works.

I'm starting to think that neutrophils are one of the main culprits in all this. If glutathione peroxidase is disabled, H2O2 will build up in neutrophils and form hypochlorous acid through the action of the enzyme myeloperoxidase. This hypochlorous acid has the potential to trigger further, runaway oxidative stress by damaging heme and releasing free, unliganded iron, as well as damaging macrophages and causing them to dump their iron, too. Then, you end up with hydroxyl radicals because of the Haber-Weiss and Fenton reactions. If there is a bradykinin storm on top of that, then there will be arachidonic acid release, and the formation of prostaglandins and isoprostanes. Then, you end up with oxidized phospholipids and oxidized LDL all over the place. The oxPL can actually trigger autoimmune reactions, like the formation of antiphospholipid antibodies (a.k.a. Lupus Anticoagulant), as the body sees the damaged, oxidized phospholipids as though they were a foreign object.

In fact, almost everything about COVID-19's coagulopathy can be explained by runaway lipid peroxidation.


Due to the formation of many micro-clots, there may also be ischemia-reperfusion injury and further oxidative stress by the action of xanthine oxidase.

Neutrophils are basically oxidative stress bombs that live for the sole purpose of killing foreign invaders by blasting them with peroxide and bleach. Normally, your cells clean up the mess with enzymes that break hydrogen peroxide down into water, but what if those enzymes stop working? The free radicals start oxidizing the membranes of your body's own healthy cells. Imagine the Neutrophils from Cells at Work, but they go crazy and start killing everyone.



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Neutrophils have another neat trick, too. They can do this:


They can shoot web like fucking Spider-Man to kill bacteria. Yes, this is a thing that happens our bodies all the time. They're called neutrophil extracellular traps.

COVID-19's hyper-inflammation causes neutrophils to flip out and start doing this all over the place.


This is some heavy-duty friendly fire. This is like unloading on a crowd of innocent people with a belt-fed machine gun to kill a few insurgents.

This is why I've been so interested in apocynin for the past few months and its potential in treating COVID-19.


Apocynin essentially defangs neutrophils. They can still phagocytize pathogens successfully, but there's less ROS release.

This pathology is insanely complicated and involves many factors in the immune system going haywire in some very specific and devastating ways. If I'm reading all this correctly, then basically, the reason why COVID-19 is more aggressive in people with Metabolic Syndrome (obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.) is because of a lack of redox equilibrium and a greater susceptibility to a positive feedback loop of runaway lipid peroxidation.

I think that if this could be dampened somehow in these vulnerable individuals, mortality and morbidity could be greatly reduced.
 

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Apocynin essentially defangs neutrophils. They can still phagocytize pathogens successfully, but there's less ROS release.

This pathology is insanely complicated and involves many factors in the immune system going haywire in some very specific and devastating ways. If I'm reading all this correctly, then basically, the reason why COVID-19 is more aggressive in people with Metabolic Syndrome (obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.) is because of a lack of redox equilibrium and a greater susceptibility to a positive feedback loop of runaway lipid peroxidation.

I think that if this could be dampened somehow in these vulnerable individuals, mortality and morbidity could be greatly reduced.

Well, and also adipokines. That's your next rabbit hole to go down.

Nigella sativa has been found to be strangely effective in COVID-19 patients. The Middle East loves that shit so they run trials for it against everything. So your theory about shoving them full of antioxidants appears to be correct.
 
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