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Retire A&N and Happenings to Spergatory.
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Not enough right wing articles, really dude? You just want A&N to be a pure hugbox lol
If fixing A&N was that easy Jewsh would have done it, but contrary to your belief I post elsewhere too, maybe use that part of the website if you have such a big problem with A&N?
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I get what you are saying, BUT.....
When something important happens in the world, like riots or coronavirus for example, The Farms has the absolute best, most up to date information anywhere on the internet.
Because of A&H I knew that chinese citizens were being welded into their homes. I knew that something terrible was coming and was able to prepare. I found links to the most amazing sources of unbiased information (peak prosperity for example). We can not overlook the value real, shared information.
There is nowhere else on the internet where people can freely post their thoughts on our current year issues. Sure politispergs and kool-aid drinkers of the culture wars make it difficult. But when something happens and information needs to be sussed out, shared and archived we are an amazing team. There has always been a cost to living in a free society.
This whole thing is a cry for help. Josh needs shit. He needs a lawyer, he needs help managing and moderating the forum, he probably needs money because money can help fulfill any of his professional needs.
But Josh doesn't like to ask for help. He is the kind of guy that always contributes more than his share and expects that there are enough people like him that will offer to carry the load without resorting to e-begging or even delegating.
@Null
Dear Leader,
Please tell us what we can do to make your life easier. There should be a monthly list of items, referrals, services and funds needed to keep the place afloat. Give your community an opportunity to help you. If throwing you some BAT every month isn't enough please tell us. We can organize whatever is required. At the very least we can raise some money. You just have to communicate your needs even if it makes you uncomfortable. Make the list. Let us help.
I don't want to lose this place, even A&N and Happenings. Please let this community you built, this community you give so much of yourself to, show you that most of us care about the place. Tell us, very specifically, what you need so we can at least try to make it happen. Just pretend like you're a thot for 10 minutes and make a wish list.
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I say to balance this out we nuke the news side of a&h and inject more politics. This can only end well!
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Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to giving @CatParty elevated privileges so only he can post on A&N.
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Actually, why not just have a newsboard or something where people can post articles, but which are automatically locked after a set period of time, to prevent gigantic rambling threads that are just an endless cycle of the same three people calling each other 'Jew', 'Nazi' and 'Mudslime' over and over?
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Do note this is written by someone who's partial to A&N, as a regular.
Regarding the specific incident: the liability in question was a particular user that couldn't make his satire clear, making what could easily be read as a threat if you knew nothing about the user. As previously mentioned, the offending comment wasn't even in an A&N or Happenings thread. As a matter of fact, I don't even think @SIGSEGV made many, if any, serious contributions to either.
More broadly, you have to ask whether the culture of A&N contributed to this. To contextualize: would @SIGSEGV have said anything on the level of what he said absent the forum?
Certainly-- rather than posting that he was going to shoot people who were of a certain political alignment in a specific city, he could have posted that he would travel to a lolcow's house to shoot them. However, you have to consider why he posted what he posted. I stated that what he said was satire, and I'm not playing loose with words-- for those who knew him, it was obvious that @SIGSEGV sought to satirize what he saw as hysteria in the thread where he made the post that got him banned and vanned. The thread, even now, cycles between "doom" and "hope". There was and is in fact hysteria-- discussions of extremely unlikely Trump moves that could net him victory at the cost of absolute chaos, discussion of the possibility of a left-right civil war, comical doomsday scenarios, and even a poster discussing the need for the right to mobilize and act like Antifa in order to get stuff done. On the other hand, the latter two were consistently reined in as fedposting and were stark minority voices at any rate-- and none of these categories manifested a post comparable to that of @SIGSEGV. It was this mood that he sought to lampoon-- however, he walked a tightrope he fell off of because someone brought in the lion (the FBI) as a surprise.
So I'm inclined against the idea that A&N or its culture had a grand part in what happened, because 1) what he did could have easily been done elsewhere on this site (with another person or group as a "target"), and 2) it happened because his brand of satire relies entirely on the reader recognizing it as such.
Regarding the specific incident: the liability in question was a particular user that couldn't make his satire clear, making what could easily be read as a threat if you knew nothing about the user. As previously mentioned, the offending comment wasn't even in an A&N or Happenings thread. As a matter of fact, I don't even think @SIGSEGV made many, if any, serious contributions to either.
More broadly, you have to ask whether the culture of A&N contributed to this. To contextualize: would @SIGSEGV have said anything on the level of what he said absent the forum?
Certainly-- rather than posting that he was going to shoot people who were of a certain political alignment in a specific city, he could have posted that he would travel to a lolcow's house to shoot them. However, you have to consider why he posted what he posted. I stated that what he said was satire, and I'm not playing loose with words-- for those who knew him, it was obvious that @SIGSEGV sought to satirize what he saw as hysteria in the thread where he made the post that got him banned and vanned. The thread, even now, cycles between "doom" and "hope". There was and is in fact hysteria-- discussions of extremely unlikely Trump moves that could net him victory at the cost of absolute chaos, discussion of the possibility of a left-right civil war, comical doomsday scenarios, and even a poster discussing the need for the right to mobilize and act like Antifa in order to get stuff done. On the other hand, the latter two were consistently reined in as fedposting and were stark minority voices at any rate-- and none of these categories manifested a post comparable to that of @SIGSEGV. It was this mood that he sought to lampoon-- however, he walked a tightrope he fell off of because someone brought in the lion (the FBI) as a surprise.
So I'm inclined against the idea that A&N or its culture had a grand part in what happened, because 1) what he did could have easily been done elsewhere on this site (with another person or group as a "target"), and 2) it happened because his brand of satire relies entirely on the reader recognizing it as such.
With that said, that's only part of the reason why Null found himself at a crossroads re: A&N and Happenings. See here:
After Null announced that he had to do a disclosure, you saw a variety of responses-- most pertinent were from those who argued that he shouldn't have turned over @SIGSEGV 's information (stupid idea, of course). And if you're not aware of the discourse that has occurred regarding Section 230, there are people (particularly, A&N regulars as far as I can tell) who actually applaud the idea of removing Section 230 because they believe it'll impair the censorious behavior sites such as Twitter employs while it hides behind platform protections that render it not liable for the postings of its individual users (i.e. if you wanted to sue for something posted on Twitter, you have to sue the individual that posted, unless it was something like CP). Of course, it would be ridiculous to repeal the statute-- the argument of many in that discourse was that Trump was bluffing, as per his personality/previously witnessed bargaining strategy and since he also released guidance meant to refine the statute against its exploitation by big social media. I even got this avatar glued onto me because I insisted on this point while Null kept bringing up the tweet, though-- though it should be noted that this seems to have some degree of bipartisan support because Democrats ostensibly think it'll curb hate speech, which would fly in the face of the value of a bluff. But there are people who honestly think that 1) this would only ever hurt Twitter, or 2) KF and small websites that can't eat lawsuits for breakfast and/or are unwilling to sanitize their website to the point of sterility are worth the cost of maybe stopping Twitter kind of. Keep in mind that, due to the nature of this site (and in particular, the subjects of the content hosted on this site), Null is assailed by lawsuits that he can only economically dispatch with the very statue being threatened (for whatever purpose those threats occur), and even hosting this website in the way he intended has already tanked his domestic and professional reputations and potentially makes him a bad marriage candidate. He leads a lonely life. He's a one-man team on a site that often gets hit with DDoS attacks on top of standard maintenance woes. And while Null is very appreciative of freedom of speech, it cannot be denied that radical groups (of any stripe) take advantage of it in order to make a suitable festering ground-- this is actually an inherent weakness of freedom of speech.
The specific incident has very little to do with A&N, by my appraisal-- the member banned had presence elsewhere on the site, and in context, it's clear that he could have made the same kind of comment outside a political context such that the feds would be invited in the same way. However, it could be argued that present political tensions made the feds more likely to act. That aside, it seems the current mulling over what to do with A&N has to do with the lack of consideration for Null's plight that some from the forum (I'd wager a stark minority, actually). If in fact this is part of the reason why the continued existence of the forum is being reconsidered, I reckon it's a poor reason in and of itself-- specifically, I don't believe nuking A&N is a proportional response or would solve any issues (in fact, A&N and Happenings are functionally containment boards-- I couldn't tell you myself if nuking them would force its natives to assimilate or if it would spoil other forums).
That said, it's reasonable for Null to say that it's far too much of a hassle to continue hosting A&N for any reason, frankly, including no reason--it's his turf, after all.
After Null announced that he had to do a disclosure, you saw a variety of responses-- most pertinent were from those who argued that he shouldn't have turned over @SIGSEGV 's information (stupid idea, of course). And if you're not aware of the discourse that has occurred regarding Section 230, there are people (particularly, A&N regulars as far as I can tell) who actually applaud the idea of removing Section 230 because they believe it'll impair the censorious behavior sites such as Twitter employs while it hides behind platform protections that render it not liable for the postings of its individual users (i.e. if you wanted to sue for something posted on Twitter, you have to sue the individual that posted, unless it was something like CP). Of course, it would be ridiculous to repeal the statute-- the argument of many in that discourse was that Trump was bluffing, as per his personality/previously witnessed bargaining strategy and since he also released guidance meant to refine the statute against its exploitation by big social media. I even got this avatar glued onto me because I insisted on this point while Null kept bringing up the tweet, though-- though it should be noted that this seems to have some degree of bipartisan support because Democrats ostensibly think it'll curb hate speech, which would fly in the face of the value of a bluff. But there are people who honestly think that 1) this would only ever hurt Twitter, or 2) KF and small websites that can't eat lawsuits for breakfast and/or are unwilling to sanitize their website to the point of sterility are worth the cost of maybe stopping Twitter kind of. Keep in mind that, due to the nature of this site (and in particular, the subjects of the content hosted on this site), Null is assailed by lawsuits that he can only economically dispatch with the very statue being threatened (for whatever purpose those threats occur), and even hosting this website in the way he intended has already tanked his domestic and professional reputations and potentially makes him a bad marriage candidate. He leads a lonely life. He's a one-man team on a site that often gets hit with DDoS attacks on top of standard maintenance woes. And while Null is very appreciative of freedom of speech, it cannot be denied that radical groups (of any stripe) take advantage of it in order to make a suitable festering ground-- this is actually an inherent weakness of freedom of speech.
The specific incident has very little to do with A&N, by my appraisal-- the member banned had presence elsewhere on the site, and in context, it's clear that he could have made the same kind of comment outside a political context such that the feds would be invited in the same way. However, it could be argued that present political tensions made the feds more likely to act. That aside, it seems the current mulling over what to do with A&N has to do with the lack of consideration for Null's plight that some from the forum (I'd wager a stark minority, actually). If in fact this is part of the reason why the continued existence of the forum is being reconsidered, I reckon it's a poor reason in and of itself-- specifically, I don't believe nuking A&N is a proportional response or would solve any issues (in fact, A&N and Happenings are functionally containment boards-- I couldn't tell you myself if nuking them would force its natives to assimilate or if it would spoil other forums).
That said, it's reasonable for Null to say that it's far too much of a hassle to continue hosting A&N for any reason, frankly, including no reason--it's his turf, after all.
Threads on A&N die out on their own unless they're tracking long term developments like elections or are megathreads.
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Back in 2016, American politics were mostly banned from whatever A&N was called at the time. Politics from other countries were allowed. Maybe reintroducing that rule would be a good idea.
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This is the most autistic thing I’ve ever read.
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I will make another post to because I am a smug asshole when I get proven right. I am always right.
I feel like the point of this website, first and foremost, is to have fun at the expense of people who post foolish things on the internet. When I joined here the majority of posters here to have fun and while a lot of them had autism, it was autism that let them have fun still. Politics have been an issue since I joined but in the last year it's become a massive issue. People were mean, but good natured ribbing each other. People got along a lot better and were a lot more chummy.
Since the christchurch shooting video being hosted, and the open armed welcome of 8chan refugees there's been a massive group of unhinged users who wouldnt know fun if it bit them in the ass. They saw null tell the NZ feds to fuck off and assumed he would let them do anything without having to worry about getting scooped up by feds. They're a bunch of spoiled kids who only wanted this place so they could run it into the ground until they were chased off or got the site shut down like they did with every place they'd inhabited before. They don't, and never have, given a single fuck about the wellbeing of this site, it's users or even null. They just saw it as a place they could overrun and use to their ends.
They've also made the culture of the site a lot more cold. They're openly hateful and unfun people and it's affected the culture as a whole. New users used to get bopped a bit until they would chill out and learn to have fun. When I joined I was a much more serious user but I learned to have fun because some cool people told me to calm down and accepted me when I started acting cooler. New users now don't have that luxury. They can chimp a bit and instead of learning that such behavior is frowed upon they can go to this huge section of the site that's overly serious and unfunny and have that poor behavior enforced. Even worse, a more sensible person might end up reading the a&h garbage and end up finding themselves becoming more unfunny and gay because of it. These people have managed to radicalize some sensible people into hate filled faggots like themselves.
What I'm saying is that a purge is both needed, and welcome. I love this website and love a number of it's users. I care about it and I hate to see what these people are doing to it.
I need to take a cold shower. Fuck you people for making me care about this.
I feel like the point of this website, first and foremost, is to have fun at the expense of people who post foolish things on the internet. When I joined here the majority of posters here to have fun and while a lot of them had autism, it was autism that let them have fun still. Politics have been an issue since I joined but in the last year it's become a massive issue. People were mean, but good natured ribbing each other. People got along a lot better and were a lot more chummy.
Since the christchurch shooting video being hosted, and the open armed welcome of 8chan refugees there's been a massive group of unhinged users who wouldnt know fun if it bit them in the ass. They saw null tell the NZ feds to fuck off and assumed he would let them do anything without having to worry about getting scooped up by feds. They're a bunch of spoiled kids who only wanted this place so they could run it into the ground until they were chased off or got the site shut down like they did with every place they'd inhabited before. They don't, and never have, given a single fuck about the wellbeing of this site, it's users or even null. They just saw it as a place they could overrun and use to their ends.
They've also made the culture of the site a lot more cold. They're openly hateful and unfun people and it's affected the culture as a whole. New users used to get bopped a bit until they would chill out and learn to have fun. When I joined I was a much more serious user but I learned to have fun because some cool people told me to calm down and accepted me when I started acting cooler. New users now don't have that luxury. They can chimp a bit and instead of learning that such behavior is frowed upon they can go to this huge section of the site that's overly serious and unfunny and have that poor behavior enforced. Even worse, a more sensible person might end up reading the a&h garbage and end up finding themselves becoming more unfunny and gay because of it. These people have managed to radicalize some sensible people into hate filled faggots like themselves.
What I'm saying is that a purge is both needed, and welcome. I love this website and love a number of it's users. I care about it and I hate to see what these people are doing to it.
I need to take a cold shower. Fuck you people for making me care about this.
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You've basically said everything I could say, only much better. Thank you.
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This incident has everything to do with the behavior of idiots from A&N. SIG was responding to braindead conservative cockmonglers who would lick Lindsay Graham's spooge from a toilet if GEOTUS Donald Trump told them to do so. None of those jackasses have even been banned, despite being exactly the sort of retards who cheer on Daddy Trump suppressing free speech on the internet because they can't get enough of that fat diaper-clad ass.
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I love you, too.
Being stupid isn't by itself a bannable offense. The stupidity of others also isn't a good reason to glow so hard that Santa's recruiting you to be his sleigh guide.
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No, you will likely eat a ban when you and your ilk are being run off.
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You don't understand. The jewish globohomo state is SERIOUS BUSINESS and if you're not spending every waking moment sperging about it on the internet without regard for the community you chose to be involved in, then I obviously haven't screamed loud enough.
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Does having a verifiable 65 IQ assist in building a community?
ColtWalker1847
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"Unbiased" yeah no. And that isn't really the issue. It's the goofballs shitting things up like it's an imageboard.
Somebody posts a bait thread and I can already tell by the title what 20 posts on the first page are going to be. It accomplishes nothing. They are just shouting "nigger" into the void. It's also why Sig did what he did. He was parodying those people. The guys who in every pedo thread jerk-off about how much they want to kill them. The Trump tards doomering over the election. The kooks who rant about the joos whenever banking is brought up. This is in addition to all the made up weakly defined "globalist" "neoliberal" ranting and raving.
You gotta sift through a lot of regurgitated bullshit to find something worthwhile. A lot of it reads like the bathroom stall walls at Alex Jones' studio. And these people leak to other parts of the site and piss them off.
I can understand why the place has the reputation it has. A lot of people have a low tolerance for low effort conspiracy shitposting. I'm a pretty bog-standard Republican and even I feel pretty unwelcome sometimes because the mood of the thread is so hostile to anyone that dares go against whatever circle-jerk is happening.
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Imagine being so MATI you produce a non sequitur. But, fine, I'll bite.
Pray tell, what is my "ilk"?
Maybe not, but you haven't been banned yet.
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you mean like that massive block of cope you shat onto this thread earlier?
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Are you always this dramatic or is this a special occasion?
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