Terry Pratchett's "The Watch" - A diverse and inclusive steampunk BBC series inspired by the Discworld Novels

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Nobody is happy with this, apparently, not even in the usual SJW's caves.

On Tumblr they are already doing it. People are livid because in the series Sybil is a skinny young thing instead of middle-aged, matronly woman.

About Cheery, I found this sperging:
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Cheery a transwoman? A few years passed since the last time I read a Watch book, but I'm sure Cheery is a female dwarf. I mean, Angua is able to detect her real sex from her smell, so what the fuck is this moron saying?
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Cheery's subplot is complicated. Dwarf culture in Discworld is somewhat weird because the sexual dimorphism we take for granted isn't as pronounced. It's actually hard to tell male from female dwarves just on sight or even hearing. I'm not even getting into how dwarves believe the world was written into being.

Part of the subplot is Cheery wanting to be female -- wear a skirt, try makeup, maybe braid ribbons in her beard. She still wants to be a dwarf of course, so she's not giving up her axe. It's actually a pretty interesting allegory for (as Tragi-chan noted) feminism, independence from the group, or even 'closeted' vs 'open' homosexuality. But the point here is that it's cleverly done. It's not beating you over the head.

Which is why it enrages me that this... travesty is being touted as an adaptation.
 
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I couldn't get more than a third into RS. Terry just isn't there. I suspect that a lot of it was flat out written by his assistant who I can never remember the name of , and the rest was just jumbles of words that Terry threw onto the page before they could escape. Pratchett was a very subtle writer, and I think that dementia stripped him of that subtlety. And so, in Snuff, Raising Steam and large parts of Unseen Academicals, what he would have previously painted in a fine brush was done with a couple cans of spray paint. In neon colours.

This is what makes this SJW Approved 'Watch' so fucking infuriating, insulting, and so very, very fucking stupid. The storyline of Ankh-Morpork is literally the evolution of rights and equality for all species, races, genders and etc. It already is everything that you need for a progressive , left leaning, show and there's absolutely no reason for some retard 'writer' or 'producer' to fuck with it to make it acceptable for idiots. And yet they shat out this insult to basic intelligence anyway. The fuck.
 
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Cheery's subplot is complicated. Dwarf culture in Discworld is somewhat weird because the sexual dimorphism we take for granted isn't as pronounced. It's actually hard to tell male from female dwarves just on sight or even hearing. I'm not even getting into how dwarves believe the world was written into being.

Part of the subplot is Cheery wanting to be female -- wear a skirt, try makeup, maybe braid ribbons in her beard. She still wants to be a dwarf of course, so she's not giving up her axe. It's actually a pretty interesting allegory for (as Tragi-chan noted) feminism, independence from the group, or even 'closeted' vs 'open' homosexuality. But the point here is that it's cleverly done. It's not beating you over the head.

Which is why it enrages me that this... travesty is being touted as an adaptation.
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I thought you should know that they recently released this character trailer for cheery


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I like how they made a character that is basically applicable to all aspects from cultural identity to sexual identity and change it in such a way, that it barely applies to ideas of trans identities.

Book Cheery is a very complex allegory that applies to many things, TV show Cheery is a hamfisted travesty (literally) that applies to nothing. Good going, I feel like this virtue signal representation crap is off to a great start.
Let's just hope this show bombs exactly as much as it deserves and exactly in such a way that the failure can't be swept under the rug (like with many shows on streaming services that never release numbers of how successful it actually is).
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I like how they made a character that is basically applicable to all aspects from cultural identity to sexual identity and change it in such a way, that it barely applies to ideas of trans identities.

Book Cheery is a very complex allegory that applies to many things, TV show Cheery is a hamfisted travesty (literally) that applies to nothing. Good going, I feel like this virtue signal representation crap is off to a great start.
Let's just hope this show bombs exactly as much as it deserves and exactly in such a way that the failure can't be swept under the rug (like with many shows on streaming services that never release numbers of how successful it actually is).
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It's proof positive that unless a creator keeps their heel on the throat of the Hollyweird retard brigade, things will go pear shaped.

Good Omens worked, in part, because Neil Gaiman had massive creative control and had promised Pratchett he would keep an eye on things, as well as working from copious notes Pratchett had made. The worst criticism of it I've seen is that it sometimes gave too much screen time to Crowley and Aziraphale -- but in defense, the chemistry between David Tennant and Michael Sheen was excellent.

Conversely, the film adaptation of Sahara was so bad, Clive Cussler sued the studio (sadly, he lost -- he wound up having to crank out a shitload of potboilers and airplane reads to pay off the judgement, poor guy).
 
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Aaaaaaaaaaand new teaser up, which establishes the endearing group dynamics that will be at play in the show which we can all agree are a vast improvement over the toxic and problematic characterisations in the books



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*screams internally*

*slams head into desk*

Between this and the 'amazing and diverse' casting that Amazon's LOTR series is getting... FUCK.

Damn it, crime is NOT LEGAL in Ankh-Morpork. But then, I doubt any of the writers have read Pratchett's books. Assuming they even fucking know how to read.
 
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UnsufficentBoobage said:
Holy fuck...just how bad this is?
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Imagine Gandalf as a trans Muslim-convert with vitiligo, and then do a flip.

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Aaaaaaaaaaand new teaser up, which establishes the endearing group dynamics that will be at play in the show which we can all agree are a vast improvement over the toxic and problematic characterisations in the novels.
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As predicted, Carrot has gone from 'role model of masculine virtues' to 'idiot rube that gets shat on' by the feminine and empowered characters that were once his subordinate officers. No wonder we don't have Nobby Nobbs or Colon, the role of clown has been given to Carrot.
 
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UnsufficentBoobage said:
Holy fuck...just how bad this is?
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Hard to say because there's practically no info, which makes me paranoid.

Supposedly it'll be set during the Second Age, which covers the time period between just after Morgoth getting tossed into the Void up to the Last Alliance, which covers almost 3500 years. This time period also includes the forging of the Rings (including the One Ring) and the fall of Numenor. So there's a fair amount of source material to work with.

If they weren't banging on about how 'stunning and diverse' the work was, I would be slightly less concerned. As is, with the current 'creative climate'? I expect a fucking dumpster fire.
 
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Looks atrocious, i hope it bombs. Glad the pratchett estate have disavowed it.
 
Every bit of footage, every second of a trailer, every moment of a teaser, every promotion image, every production photo, absolutely everything is pure pain that enters my brain through my eyes.
Whenever I look at this shit, I expect this to happen:
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It's not even just that the dialogue is shit and that I could literally smash my fist through a fucking bunker door whenever I see that genderspecial fuckhead, but this crap is absolutely toxic to the eyes by every little aspect of its design. These colors, those effects, that floating bullshit, it's so. Fucking. Lame.

This show will most likely be greenlit for a second season, no matter how atrocious it is. And of course, audience numbers will never be released.

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Hard to say because there's practically no info, which makes me paranoid.

Supposedly it'll be set during the Second Age, which covers the time period between just after Morgoth getting tossed into the Void up to the Last Alliance, which covers almost 3500 years. This time period also includes the forging of the Rings (including the One Ring) and the fall of Numenor. So there's a fair amount of source material to work with.

If they weren't banging on about how 'stunning and diverse' the work was, I would be slightly less concerned. As is, with the current 'creative climate'? I expect a fucking dumpster fire.
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Wasn't it sort of hinted at that the Numenorians would be black?
Or am I mixing it up with the GoT prequel, that got shitcanned, that also aimed to race-swap the ancestors of some iconic tribe?
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if they changed it, but maybe you're confusing it with the Black Numenoreans?
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It wasn't about including the Black Numenoreans, it was about literally turning some race into Blacks for no fucking reason than to make people mad and then act smug about it. But the longer I think about it, the more I think it was that horrible GoT prequel and they wanted to turn the Tagaryens black or something.
 
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Still time for a meteor to hit, it's not out till 2021.

The character omissions seem more hilarious with the confirmation of the state of the Watch. When it was Vimes, Colon and Nobby AKA drunk, fat and Nobby the fact that they were seen as a joke and no real factor in the smooth running of the city was for a long list of reasons but chief of which is they were. If they're still meant to be ineffectual and useless it's because these characters, irrespective of what the episodes will show us, have let it get like this. No doubt the Patriarchy will be to blame whoops, Vetinari's a woman. Erm well I am sure the heads of the criminal guilds will be-nope Cruces is a woman too.
 
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