2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Random Internet Person]

I have got absolutely no idea which way this is going to go.

Reasons for the not interfering

1) Biden looked like he won on the night
2) All the claims of fraud have been deboonked by CNN
3) The left will riot if President Biden is taken away from after CNN has spent a month promising him rather in the way toddlers throw a tantrum if you promise them ice cream and then change your mind
4) Courts have a high bar for overturning elections. It's possible there just aren't strong enough cases to justify this
5) There might be some sort of deal behind the scenes between the leadership of the RNC and the centrist/neoliberal branch of the Democrats where the Democrats get the Presidency and the RNC get the Senate and rid of Trump and then there will be some sort of consensus government. In which case all our sperging here is simply ill-informed because the US has a sort of technocratic government that will exclude both the MAGA crowd and the far left

Reasons for interfering

1) I'm convinced fraud occurred. They might be too
2) If Biden gets in he'll stack the court, amnesty illegals, and set up a one-party state
3) Even if Roberts cucks there's still a constitutionalist majority on the court
4) Allowing this fraud to go through would set a precedent for future fraud
5) Even if conservatives are unlikely to riot we're going to see some serious shit once they realize their votes don't matter and the left wants to censor their voices
6) Alito gave that lecture which was very critical of constitutional rights being taken away by Democrats at the state level
7) Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, ACB, and Thomas all probably agree on the totalitarian tendencies in the Democrats and probably regard the attempt to stop them from getting confirmed was a worrying example of a mob whipped up by lies
8 ) The Democrats want to stack the court which means if the conservative majority don't act now they'll be powerless forever
9) Democrats have hinted they want to impeach Kavanaugh
10) Even if elements of the RNC and DNC have some sort of deal to divvy up the power, the supreme court might decide to object to the obvious fraud that happened to make it work as fundamentally unAmerican.

Obviously, you can think of reasons for either. I can think of more for interfering than not because I'm really hoping they interfere but I'm not a SCOTUS judge.

It could go either way.

And that’s the worst part: we don’t know. Honestly, I’m prepared for the worst to happen because Democrats know how to twist people’s arms and they have no restraints in going after Trump and anyone who supports him even slightly.

 

[Cypher]

And that’s the worst part: we don’t know. Honestly, I’m prepared for the worst to happen because Democrats know how to twist people’s arms and they have no restraints in going after Trump and anyone who supports him even slightly.

This is the thing that people need to understand. We can predict what could happen next week, but there are so many variables that we honestly don’t know what’s going to happen. This isn't a slam dunk case that the Trump camp keeps saying, and there isn't a guaranteed victory for Biden either. I do not know how Trump is going to make a case for that, I can see Pennsylvania getting a Florida Redux, but how is he going to overturn more than one state is beyond me. The decision would be a landmark case, bigger than Gore v. Florida given how Trump has to overturn like three states to win in multiple counties in a ballot margin larger than 500 votes

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

And that’s the worst part: we don’t know. Honestly, I’m prepared for the worst to happen because Democrats know how to twist people’s arms and they have no restraints in going after Trump and anyone who supports him even slightly.

On the upside, the US has had the Democrats rig elections in the past and they didn't manage to set up a one-party state.

It may well be that US politics is too high entropy to allow for a low entropy equilibrium as a one-party state.

 

[Dr J]

1) Biden looked like he won on the night

He didn't though. This election took like three days for even the media to call

4) Courts have a high bar for overturning elections. It's possible there just aren't strong enough cases to justify this

1) I'm convinced fraud occurred. They might be too

4) Allowing this fraud to go through would set a precedent for future fraud

6) Alito gave that lecture which was very critical of constitutional rights being taken away by Democrats at the state level

These are the only reasons that matter. Literally everything else shouldn't influence the Supreme Court's decision (but probably will because the justices are human beings same as everyone else).

I get the impression above all that the conservative justices aren't particularly happy about COVID being used as an excuse to throw the constitution away or put it on the shelf, and this case has plenty examples of exactly that happening.

John Goodman's probably right that, if they take it, they'll probably rule in Trump's favour. I mean, it's a pretty big indicator of something for them to even take the case, what with all the media outlets and various other cretins screaming to the high heavens that there was no evidence of fraud.

 

[NeroRisotto]

The scenario where I see SCOTUS stepping in is this. They somehow flip two states and one is left. I seriously don't see SCOTUS on its own initiative overturning three different state elections. However we have some unknown quantities. Nobody really knows how ACB will react to this. Nor Gorsuch, nor Kavanaugh. They're not total mysteries but who knows what they'll actually do? Anyone reading tea leaves and thinking they know for sure is full of shit. I'm pretty sure Roberts will cuck, but that still leaves Alito and Thomas. Between them that's five. That's a majority. Now it takes four to grant cert. But why would four on the losing side grant it? So if you see a cert grant it's very likely they're going to overturn.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Ironic that it's the Trump appointees we're all worried about.

 

[AnOminous]

Wait a minute did it actually get to SCOTUS ?

It's obviously going to, because that's the court of last resort. The question is really whether they grant cert. I think that is unlikely, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility and the media are absolute idiots, and really don't know shit.

 

[JambledUpWords]

It's ironic

Ironic that it's the Trump appointees we're all worried about.

It’s probably because they are newer and therefore, people are less sure of how they’ll judge. At least all the Trump appointees have a consistent legal philosophy. The same can not be said for the Obama appointee Sotomayer.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

It's obviously going to, because that's the court of last resort. The question is really whether they grant cert. I think that is unlikely, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility and the media are absolute idiots, and really don't know shit.

My guess is that some cases will get granted certiorari. I'd say the PA one because using standing and laches to deny cases where the constitution has been violated seems absolutely inimical to the idea of having a constitution.

The question is whether they'll grant it to enough cases to make a difference. Also, they might punt the decision back to the legislature, and the Republicans there might still decide to let the result stand.

In Bush v Gore they didn't actually overturn the result declared. Bush was declared the winner at first and that was not overturned.

 

[Mr Cuddles]

https://mobile.twitter.com/GabrielSterling

Does anybody know how much influence he has in how the elections were actually conducted? It says Voting implementation manager for GA is in twitter title. I have no idea whether its ceremonial or meaningful.

He also has severe TDS dating back from 2016.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1335254385367130114

 

[Dr J]

Ironic that it's the Trump appointees we're all worried about.

Because if Trump did his job his appointees aren't necessarily going to side with him just because he appointed them. A good judge looks at the law and looks at the evidence before reaching a logical conclusion. Whereas cucks like Roberts and the liberal justices tend to reach a conclusion beforehand and usually don't bother to look at the law or the evidence.

You really don't want a case like this to go to the judges. It's like boxing. Ideally you want to get the knockout. There's no dispute, no ambiguity about a knockout. Whereas if it goes to the judges' scorecards they can and will rob you, even if it's plain as day that you won/did enough to win

 

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It's obviously going to, because that's the court of last resort. The question is really whether they grant cert. I think that is unlikely, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility and the media are absolute idiots, and really don't know shit.

Butttttt... if the Trump campaign never actually appeals to the Supreme Court, they can edge the donors for longer.

I don't actually think this will happen, but they might delay until January just to keep the money flowing in. Would be pretty great. Trumpian, one might say.

 

[FMW13]

Butttttt... if the Trump campaign never actually appeals to the Supreme Court, they can edge the donors for longer.

I don't actually think this will happen, but they might delay until January just to keep the money flowing in. Would be pretty great. Trumpian, one might say.

Wouldn't shock me if Trump did this. Given his history wouldn't put it past him.

 

[Psychic Espeon]

Rudy has COVID.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Same with a carbomb. This was a fuel leak and has every indication of it.

Whatever the the front vehicle used to be hit the driver side fuel tank of the building supply truck. The cab of the truck being almost completely melted means the fire was very hot in that area.

It's a video of the aftermath of the fire that occurred after the crash, not a video of the crash.

The dark black smoke is a good indicator that there is diesel burning.

 

[Smarty Pants]

Rudy has COVID.

How absolutely convenient.

 

[AnOminous]

My guess is that some cases will get granted certiorari. I'd say the PA one because using standing and laches to deny cases where the constitution has been violated seems absolutely inimical to the idea of having a constitution.

The question is whether they'll grant it to enough cases to make a difference. Also, they might punt the decision back to the legislature, and the Republicans there might still decide to let the result stand.

In Bush v Gore they didn't actually overturn the result declared. Bush was declared the winner at first and that was not overturned.

The important similarity between Bush v. Gore and the current situation is at least in Pennsylvania, they used different methods of counting and eligibility from county to county. This is literally exactly what Florida did in Bush v. Gore. You would think in an election case that the last thing you would even consider doing is exactly what got overturned in the leading Supreme Court case on the subject, but here we go, arrogance.

 

[Hoff Man]

so the big takeaway from all this is that Kanye won

 

[Prester John]

How absolutely convenient.

And entirely plausible.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

The important similarity between Bush v. Gore and the current situation is at least in Pennsylvania, they used different methods of counting and eligibility from county to county. This is literally exactly what Florida did in Bush v. Gore. You would think in an election case that the last thing you would even consider doing is exactly what got overturned in the leading Supreme Court case on the subject, but here we go, arrogance.

Rudy and Jenna clearly had Bush v. Gore in mind when they were crafting their arguments. They were clearly working on the SCOTUS friendly case from the start.

It's very different from the Sidney Powell/Lin Wood track which seems like a criminal case that will be almost impossible to win, and certainly impossible to win in time to affect the election result.

And then there's the fact that all of Trump's appointees worked for Bush in Bush v. Gore and Clarence Thomas ruled for Bush in Bush v. Gore.

 

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Whatever the the front vehicle used to be hit the driver side fuel tank of the building supply truck. The cab of the truck being almost completely melted means the fire was very hot in that area.

Indeed, very unfortunate. Does the US have any requirements for underrun protection at all? I understand that a number of Euro manufacturers leave at least front underrun bars that come standard everywhere else off the lorries they sell in the US. Of course the US fleet is a lot older, and mandating retrofitting of this gear could be pretty bad for independent truckers, but requiring it on new lorries seems like a nobrainer.

How absolutely convenient.

It's totally implausible that a mad old man who hangs around with a bunch of flubros has caught COVID.