General GunTuber thread

[Pocket Dragoon]

there must be an engineering term for developing a project that's obviously based on flawed idea.

The closest thing I can think of is something like the equivalent of an architectural folly.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Ian determines that the massive conflict of interest involved in this history lesson is actually just pure coincidence and is of absolutely no consequence.

 

[White Devil]

The "WWSD" AR was completely retarded and also not what Stoner would do.

 

[Get_your_kicks_with_30-06]

The "WWSD" AR was completely retarded and also not what Stoner would do.

I never really understood the name for it (other than just being some catchy thing). No one knows what Stoner would have done differently with modern plastics, and carbon fiber, etc, so stop acting like you're the only ones "who like totally get Stoner maaannn".

That being said they did create a pretty nice "gamer" AR. I'm curious how it would hold up in any sort of real combat scenario (probably not well), but it seems pretty good for a competition gun.

 

[White Devil]

I'm curious how it would hold up in any sort of real combat scenario (probably not well), but it seems pretty good for a competition gun.

The stock would be broken before the first day.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

The stock would be broken before the first day.

It's made to survive a 2-gun competition, not the first 48 hours in the Fulda Gap. I can't wait to see these things start failing hard when they get reviewed by non-shill reviewers.

 

[HelpingNoone]

I was one of the people that preordered a WWSD lower. They kept preaching how lightweight it was. "You're saving so much weight going polymer!"

As the project progressed, they were beginning to release weights on the lower which showed it was only like 5 ounces different from a normal AR lower. Their tune quickly changed to "POLYMER IS STRONGER AND BEST".

I canceled mine. You are stuck building a 16" AR going with a WWSD lower for little to no gain. Want lightweight? Build an AR with a 12.5" barrel and brace...

People on the InRange subreddit can't take any criticism on the topic. People were thinking it would be delivered 3rd quarter. As a machinist and someone who runs injection molds I knew it was gonna take until December to finish if everything went smooth. SinistralRifleman even replied to me, essentially saying I didn't know what I was talking about. Well fat fuck? Here we are in December, like I said, and now people are receiving their orders.

I never really understood the name for it (other than just being some catchy thing). No one knows what Stoner would have done differently with modern plastics, and carbon fiber, etc, so stop acting like you're the only ones "who like totally get Stoner maaannn".

That being said they did create a pretty nice "gamer" AR. I'm curious how it would hold up in any sort of real combat scenario (probably not well), but it seems pretty good for a competition gun.

We know what Stoner Would Do.

He went to Knight's Armament in Titusville, FL and built the SR-15/SR-25

No polymer!

 

[White Devil]

While polymer is better than it ever was, Stoner was designing weapons for combat and war. There's a reason why Colt, FN, KAC, boutique shit like Noveske, BCM, etc are carried by people who shoot at each other for a living; those rifles manufacturing processes are tried and true to hold up in combat conditions. Cheap shit like PSA, Aero, Anderson, etc are not nor are they built or QC'd to be. A combat rifle HAS to take a lot of abuse, as I'm sure some of you know. I'm willing to bet a few of you have trained on Colt M16A2s older than yourselves, ratting themselves apart, but still ticking.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I never really understood the name for it (other than just being some catchy thing). No one knows what Stoner would have done differently with modern plastics, and carbon fiber, etc, so stop acting like you're the only ones "who like totally get Stoner maaannn".

That being said they did create a pretty nice "gamer" AR. I'm curious how it would hold up in any sort of real combat scenario (probably not well), but it seems pretty good for a competition gun.

I always got the impression that Sinistral was the man behind the idea; and it was his connections with Brownells & others that made the thing physically happen, along with their faith & good will in Ian to help push the product. Karl seems to be the third wheel whenever he's doing a collaboration video, with anybody; unless it's with Olam.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I always got the impression that Sinistral was the man behind the idea; and it was his connections with Brownells & others that made the thing physically happen, along with their faith & good will in Ian to help push the product. Karl seems to be the third wheel whenever he's doing a collaboration video, with anybody; unless it's with Olam.

Karl seems to be really pushing the 2-gun format though, isn't he? A lot of his recent collaborative content with Ian was getting him to do those competitions.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Karl seems to be really pushing the 2-gun format though, isn't he? A lot of his recent collaborative content with Ian was getting him to do those competitions.

That's what initially brought them together, Ian tried getting into competitive shooting to show off clunky old guns in action and went to a crappy 3-gun match before Karl stepped up and invited him to his own.
Karl is one of those guys who's so far into the competitive scene that he's essentially done the gun guy equivalent of comparing Call of Duty to real warfare multiple times, so it shouldn't be surprising that he's using that as a basis for the "What Would Stoners Do to a perfectly good rifle" project.

 

[Shaka Brah]

That's what initially brought them together, Ian tried getting into competitive shooting to show off clunky old guns in action and went to a crappy 3-gun match before Karl stepped up and invited him to his own.
Karl is one of those guys who's so far into the competitive scene that he's essentially done the gun guy equivalent of comparing Call of Duty to real warfare multiple times, so it shouldn't be surprising that he's using that as a basis for the "What Would Stoners Do to a perfectly good rifle" project.

This is why I think he has a lot of concept investment in the WWSD rifle project. It seems designed to do the thing he wants it to do and not much else. IDK much about Sinistral and what he enjoys though so he might also be a competition fanatic too.

 

[Tour of Italy]

This is why I think he has a lot of concept investment in the WWSD rifle project. It seems designed to do the thing he wants it to do and not much else. IDK much about Sinistral and what he enjoys though so he might also be a competition fanatic too.

Sinistral is absolutely a competition fanatic and it may surprise you to learn this, but he is actually a fantastic competitive shooter, at least in the realm of dynamic shooting like 3-gun and 2-gun. He was using a polymer lower long before WWSD and likely before he had ever even met Karl and Ian.

He regularly wins local meets and makes top cut at national competitions, including high level shit like Hard as Hell. It’s still one of funniest things in the world to me to watch his runs because you’ve got this clearly overweight guy wobbling between shooting positions wearing plates and shit, thinking that there’s no way he’ll be fast enough. Then you watch him shoulder he rifle and the fucker just doesn’t miss.

This is an especially funny video because even back then Karl tried to make fun of the trolling conspiracies surrounding InRange, including ones specifically about shilling the polymer lower, despite being only a year away at the time from literally fucking going into business with Fagan and shilling his product.

It’s also especially funny because it showcases how Karl has gotten fat again.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Sinistral is absolutely a competition fanatic and it may surprise you to learn this, but he is actually a fantastic competitive shooter, at least in the realm of dynamic shooting like 3-gun and 2-gun. He was using a polymer lower long before WWSD and likely before he had ever even met Karl and Ian.

My own private conspiracy theory is that it's Sinistral's fever-dream rifle project; but he didn't want them to fail with his branding on them, and used InRange to keep a plausible deniability/stand-off distance, if/when the project went to shit, for whatever reason.

Karl did it, because it plays into the whole Damn the Man scheme.

And Ian went along with it because he's a supportive friend and obscure, forgotten firearms are in his wheelhouse; but for the lulz he'll be featuring a WWSD rifle for the 2035 Morphy's Island Special Premier Auction, along with the story on how it failed.

He regularly wins local meets and makes top cut at national competitions, including high level shit like Hard as Hell. It’s still one of funniest things in the world to me to watch his runs because you’ve got this clearly overweight guy wobbling between shooting positions wearing plates and shit, thinking that there’s no way he’ll be fast enough. Then you watch him shoulder he rifle and the fucker just doesn’t miss.

Sinsitral absolutely is an embodiment of meme-tier shooting accuracy from The Walking Dead; he's the tubby Gen-X asshole with a weak beard & moist upper lip, who'd never touched an AR before the zombocalypse, but manages aim-bot hit rates while on the move.

Edit: Now that I think of it; Sinistral totally has gamer autism, and he's succeeded by translating that into 2-gun competition & gear videos.

 

[White Devil]

As cliche as it sounds, some people are just born to shoot. I know someone who has zero interest in guns outside of video games, doesn't own any, and can outshoot a lot of my friends who have been into guns since childhood. Dude's an insufferable Silicon Valley faggot liberal to boot.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

As cliche as it sounds, some people are just born to shoot. I know someone who has zero interest in guns outside of video games, doesn't own any, and can outshoot a lot of my friends who have been into guns since childhood. Dude's an insufferable Silicon Valley faggot liberal to boot.

I don't think it's a cliche, if the perception & commonality is based on solid science.

Having spent entirely too much time on multitudinous ranges, on the line & behind it as a range NCO/RSO; I can anecdotally add that the people who show up with the fewest bad habits tend to do the best, even when it comes to range etiquette.

They may be insufferable assholes socially, but having people there to learn, rather than practice, is very refreshing. Practice breeds complacency, and I've never had to retrain or pull someone who's completely new to shooting off the line for committing an egregious safety violation.... and it seems I'm always fucking dodging muzzles around the most "experienced" men.

 

[Shaka Brah]

And Ian went along with it because he's a supportive friend and obscure, forgotten firearms are in his wheelhouse; but for the lulz he'll be featuring a WWSD rifle for the 2035 Morphy's Island Special Premier Auction, along with the story on how it failed.

Didn't he do this with that meme 10mm handgun they were shilling, whatever it was called, after they went out of business.

 

[Trig.Point]

Sinsitral absolutely is an embodiment of meme-tier shooting accuracy from The Walking Dead; he's the tubby Gen-X asshole with a weak beard & moist upper lip, who'd never touched an AR before the zombocalypse, but manages aim-bot hit rates while on the move.

Edit: Now that I think of it; Sinistral totally has gamer autism, and he's succeeded by translating that into 2-gun competition & gear videos.

He was also a regular a poster on Something Awful untill he got banned for not denouncing Kyle Rittenhouse loudly enough. (I can't remember if that was detailed here or in the Something Awful thread).

 

[White Devil]

SA has done a good job of purging regular and good posters from The Firing Range subforum for not scurrying to beg for forgiveness for wrongthink and also being gun owners. It doesn't help that the TFR mod is also a huge cuck.

 

[Trig.Point]

One of the guys from the Silah Report was on Forgotten Weapons today wearing an AK50 shirt. I know the Silah Report got banned by PayPal a while back over something, and a few Guntubers including C&R helped get it sorted. I wonder if that was a Thank You.

Ian doesn't acknowledge it, but I don't think he's a fan of Brandon Harerra.