Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

[Cucky]

"Come on, this is my field."

Still pretending to know anything about video games, I see.

Maybe she was talking about Twitter?

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

FYI, I won't name names, but I've had a few people inform me that Wu will ruin your fucking career if you oppose her directly.

These types always do this. I'll bet after a few months of inactivity all the people who have silently distanced themselves from her still get sugar coated attempts at reestablishing dialog from time to time, as long as they're valuable to her in some way.
Wu has literally nothing to lose she has no boss to answer to and anyone who knows her well has already seen her spaz out so while your friends will be disgusted if they hear you're a sexist asshole who chased her from her home.... Her entire social group is composed of people who didn't leave her after witnessing what most people would consider bad behavior. No social impact.

Most of us have a boss, stakeholders, or customers that we can't upset. Wu has almost none of this, once again the few people that she has any accountability to, being frank, game reviewers, and her few customers. Are all likely to excuse much more bad behavior than your boss. No professional impact... in fact any attempt to challenge her may later be used as evidence of the unseen challenges faced by women in tech. Anyone reading the sort of pushback a personality like wu would generate from a colleague ... frustrated and emotional, maybe sort of crazy sounding.. would think to themselves that they've never been treated that way personally at work so maybe there actually is some rabid 10% of white men at every tech workplace who would go to bizarre lengths to exclude select groups. Notice how composed she was when she dealt with that one chick who wanted her money... she almost sounds like she's mocking her if you know her normal tone.

Any wu experts wanna confirm or deny that I'm not far off? I'm literally just making this up based on past encounters with her particular flavor of asshole so it would be interesting to hear.

Maybe she was talking about Twitter?

The field holds 140 characters and then you must hit send.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

Really now? Care to provide more details? Does she flood your employer's Twitter with her insanity until they cave and let you go? Does she exploit the media connections she has for hit pieces? What on earth does she do to get people scared of her? Because, frankly, all I see is an screaming nutjob on social media.

Well, she does seem to have the reputation of being good in "politics", as the leaked exchange with Chloe Sagal where she begged for help in the Paypal/indiegogo debacle . As is also infamous how she changed Patreon policies to hurt 8chan admin.

Mind you, this was before she went to be hated by antiGG alike and when she appeared in a important media outlet every week.

 

[tepid]

Does she flood your employer's Twitter with her insanity until they cave and let you go?

Isn't this just the standard thing SJWs do these days with people they dislike.

Destroying someones livelihood because you disagree with things they said on the internet… what could possibly go wrong.

 

[HickoryDickory]

Isn't this just the standard thing SJWs do these days with people they dislike.

Destroying someones livelihood because you disagree with things they said on the internet… what could possibly go wrong.

I cannot wait until someone does that to Wu. There certainly has to be someone "bigger" than her that could take her down with a few quips.

 

[Cubanodun]

FYI, I won't name names, but I've had a few people inform me that Wu will ruin your fucking career if you oppose her directly.

that is not new, but as far as i know you have to be in a SJW infected workplace for that to work

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I cannot wait until someone does that to Wu. There certainly has to be someone "bigger" than her that could take her down with a few quips.

Wu is pretty hard to injure, his money comes mostly from Hipster welfare and he's his own boss kinda.

Only way to knock him out is to get the SJWs to turn on him. Buts that's easier said then done.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

I cannot wait until someone does that to Wu. There certainly has to be someone "bigger" than her that could take her down with a few quips.

Take her down with who? Anything bad said about wu is generally distilled down into quotes, paraphrases, and video clips and used as evidence that people hate women in gaming. She's not like a normal person who has a boss who can decide she's a liability

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

that is not new, but as far as i know you have to be in a SJW infected workplace for that to work

It just needs a workplace that is overly protective of their image.thats why Anita has make a living in being a "consultant".

 

[Cynical]

Wu is pretty hard to injure, his money comes mostly from Hipster welfare and he's his own boss kinda.

Only way to knock him out is to get the SJWs to turn on him. Buts that's easier said then done.

The only other way to discredit Wu if for Wu to massively fuck up in the public sphere in a way that would be impossible to spin doctor, to the point even most of Wu's acolytes realize the futility of trying to sugarcoat things.

But again, easier said than done.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

One thing that Wu seems to have to a insane level is the ability to be able to appear friendly and approachable at first. Remember when she approached that dev the SJW hated with passion and even had a a coffe with him? Thought it backfired to her with the AntiGG crowd, she seems able to be "diplomatic" when there is a opportunity.

 

[Ruin]

One thing that Wu seems to have to a insane level is the ability to be able to appear friendly and approachable at first. Remember when she approached that dev the SJW hated with passion and even had a a coffe with him? Thought it backfired to her with the AntiGG crowd, she seems able to be "diplomatic" when there is a opportunity.

Agreed. Her ability to be oddly friendly and even charming when it benefits her makes me wonder if she has antisocial tendencies.

 

[Jaimas]

Really now? Care to provide more details? Does she flood your employer's Twitter with her insanity until they cave and let you go? Does she exploit the media connections she has for hit pieces? What on earth does she do to get people scared of her? Because, frankly, all I see is an screaming nutjob on social media.

Simply put: If you're in a location where she can have any control (at cons, panels, et al), she can - and more critically, will - rally her horde to wreck your shit. If you disagree with her politically, you are persona non grata. She can - and will - have her allies on social media blacklist you, trump up charges against you, and do everything in their power to ruin your reputation and your ability to retaliate. They will go behind your back and bad-mouth you to colleagues and do everything possible to kill your career by making sure any outlet they have access to will not hear your side of things out. If she actually gets to the point where she deems you a threat, she will use every method she has to kill your career.

These types always do this. I'll bet after a few months of inactivity all the people who have silently distanced themselves from her still get sugar coated attempts at reestablishing dialog from time to time, as long as they're valuable to her in some way.

Wu has literally nothing to lose she has no boss to answer to and anyone who knows her well has already seen her spaz out so while your friends will be disgusted if they hear you're a sexist asshole who chased her from her home.... Her entire social group is composed of people who didn't leave her after witnessing what most people would consider bad behavior. No social impact.

Most of us have a boss, stakeholders, or customers that we can't upset. Wu has almost none of this, once again the few people that she has any accountability to, being frank, game reviewers, and her few customers. Are all likely to excuse much more bad behavior than your boss. No professional impact... in fact any attempt to challenge her may later be used as evidence of the unseen challenges faced by women in tech. Anyone reading the sort of pushback a personality like wu would generate from a colleague ... frustrated and emotional, maybe sort of crazy sounding.. would think to themselves that they've never been treated that way personally at work so maybe there actually is some rabid 10% of white men at every tech workplace who would go to bizarre lengths to exclude select groups. Notice how composed she was when she dealt with that one chick who wanted her money... she almost sounds like she's mocking her if you know her normal tone.

Any wu experts wanna confirm or deny that I'm not far off? I'm literally just making this up based on past encounters with her particular flavor of asshole so it would be interesting to hear.


The field holds 140 characters and then you must hit send.

You called it, Chuck. She has no one to answer to and a scary level of power. Remember, if you will, the Sophia Banks incident. Banks went after Chobitcoin, who near as I can tell is Twitter's Jon-Nyan. Anyone who opposes Wu can nearly be guaranteed to recieve a fucking barrage of bad press. Consider, if you will, how often someone who's criticized Wu gets microtargeted by the Antis. Harken back to the bad press she tried to throw at our dear Commander Stryker. If you don't think Wu is just as capable of leveraging that at her political opponents, you haven't paid enough attention to those who have worked for her:

This is the true nature of Brianna Wu.

One thing that Wu seems to have to a insane level is the ability to be able to appear friendly and approachable at first. Remember when she approached that dev the SJW hated with passion and even had a a coffe with him? Thought it backfired to her with the AntiGG crowd, she seems able to be "diplomatic" when there is a opportunity.

Agreed. Her ability to be oddly friendly and even charming when it benefits her makes me wonder if she has antisocial tendencies.

She's arguably a sociopath, from what I've heard.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Simply put: If you're in a location where she can have any control (at cons, panels, et al), she can - and more critically, will - rally her horde to wreck your shit. If you disagree with her politically, you are persona non grata. She can - and will - have her allies on social media blacklist you, trump up charges against you, and do everything in their power to ruin your reputation and your ability to retaliate. They will go behind your back and bad-mouth you to colleagues and do everything possible to kill your career by making sure any outlet they have access to will not hear your side of things out. If she actually gets to the point where she deems you a threat, she will use every method she has to kill your career.



You called it, Chuck. She has no one to answer to and a scary level of power. Remember, if you will, the Sophia Banks incident. Banks went after Chobitcoin, who near as I can tell is Twitter's Jon-Nyan. Anyone who opposes Wu can nearly be guaranteed to recieve a fucking barrage of bad press. Consider, if you will, how often someone who's criticized Wu gets microtargeted by the Antis. Harken back to the bad press she tried to throw at our dear Commander Stryker. If you don't think Wu is just as capable of leveraging that at her political opponents, you haven't paid enough attention to those who have worked for her:

This is the true nature of Brianna Wu.





She's arguably a sociopath, from what I've heard.

So, if that is her MO, how do we take that power away? If they hate her and won't throw her out we can't depend on them cleaning house. People like that have to be dealt with or they eventually start causing damage outside of their spheres. She may provide us with amusement, that the way you're describing her indicates that she is a far better triggerman then the average anti.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

That's part of his power, the more attention you feed into his ego and PR machine the stronger Wu gets. The more posts he logs and threats he gets all feed his welfare accounts giving him more monies.

The thing is Wu and Anita are like religious figureheads, the believers will believe no matter what you show them. Remember facts and truth mean dick all to these types. They go off of faith in the systems (feminism, SJWism or whateverism) and the pure belief that they are in the moral right; they love persecution and are pretty much immune to anything normal folks can do.

They have no shame, no logic and an weird absolute belief that they are the keepers of the moral high ground and thus everyone who disagrees is inherently evil.

You might as well talk about gay rights and pro-choice to a staunch religious conservative then try to convince an SJW that Wu is bad. How can you argue with someone who refuses to admit logic or reason? You just can't, there is no common ground at all between the two sides

Our only hope, beside Obi-wan, is an internal struggle where Wu get tossed to the wolves over some imagined slight. And I just don't see that happening as he's pretty much done crazy shit and his backers still hand over the shekels every month.

The only way these types will die off is when the media moves off this SJW bandwagon and that's not going to be anytime soon. So buckle up your sphincters cause we're in for a long ride.

(sorry for the sperg; this shit is just bugging me a bit more then normal lately. Maybe I'll reached my terminal limit for hypocrisy...)

 

[Peace and Harmony]

(sorry for the sperg; this shit is just bugging me a bit more then normal lately. Maybe I'll reached my terminal limit for hypocrisy...)

IMO you are right to be bothered by this kind of asshattery, because so am I. Now I know that one of the general rules around here is not to get mad at anything that lolcows do, but the difference is that John inexplicably has some kind of influence, and that bothers me. A few years ago I would have been completely willing to sit back and point and laugh at his frothing at the mouth and call it a day, but the reality is that the culture of tumblr and the like has long since spread into the mainstream, and there's no containing it now. No one cares about an idiot screaming about Sonic's arms, but people strangely do care about an ugly tranny screaming about female video game characters.

Save us, Commander.

 

[Randy Lahey]

Save us, Commander.

Don't worry, when Jace returns, he'll be back for revenge and justice against the trannies.

 

[Jaimas]

Patience, my Kiwis. There is no reason to be upset, and Wu can be defeated. Harken to this old lolcow chronicleer's tales a spell.

So, if that is her MO, how do we take that power away? If they hate her and won't throw her out we can't depend on them cleaning house. People like that have to be dealt with or they eventually start causing damage outside of their spheres. She may provide us with amusement, that the way you're describing her indicates that she is a far better triggerman then the average anti.

Simple Answer: Exposure.

Complex Answer: Wu is like the evolved form of Tumblrista - and one with almost infinite resources. She wields enormous power and influence, especially within her echo chamber, but like any asshole of her ilk, she is nowhere near as strong, intelligent, or invincible as she thinks she is. For one, as evidenced by both people I myself have talked to and posts like the above, Wu has not covered her tracks. She has left a litany of broken, bitter people and serious resentment in her wake, and her own side chafes under her having authority.

There are three specific areas Wu has critical weaknesses. And none of them she can defend against:

1. Her Grip on Her Own Side is Waxing.
The Antis are hero-worshippers. This has been shown innumerable times, when they absolutely lose their shit when one of their own gets caught with their pants down. However, they chafe under Wu's leadership at gunpoint and that of her proverbial right hand. The Antis are eager to throw Wu off the bus. They just need a big enough reason, and a big enough impetus. The endgame here is that so long as Wu remains in charge of Ghazi, she is the single greatest asset Gamergate has in the Anti camp. Brianna has lost her grip here not because of her meeting people halfway, but because she's never around, stealth edits constantly, shadowbans any discussion, and is a petty, petulent tyrant of a woman. The nanosecond Wu's grip relents, or she oversteps hard enough, she will have a full-scale rebellion on her hands. Bear in mind her "plan" for KIA: A realm where all bend ot Wu's own agenda. Wu is blatantly anti-free speech, and will not brook any dissenting voice in her hugboxes. All it's going to take is one incident where Wu could potentially be removed, and Wu goes down in flames on her own side. Bear in mind as well that the other Antis hate her guts.

2. Wu isn't Credible Outside her Bubble.
SJWs may not require facts, but you'll notice that Wu hasn't really had any mainstream press covering her since the Street Racing Incident. Brianna Wu's systemic lying means any news org thatr covers her is going to be hit with flak from GGers and Anti-GGers alike. She's fucking cancer for your business's PR. Anita, Zoe, they're photogenic, they can contribute, but Wu's a widely-discredited nutter. The only way she's getting on the air now is by piggybacking onto people equally crazy.

This is not to Wu's benefit. Kirsten Gillibrand and Katherine Clark the Left-Wing counterparts to Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum. Zero credibility whatsoever and likely to go down in flames the nanosecond a better challenger comes along. People say there's no such thing as bad publicity, but Wu can't brook any venue where she may be criticized due to her massive ego. Even having a hostile presence there is enough to give her the vapors, as we saw during the Ralph Retort incident.

3. Wu's Made Her Agenda known.
Wu done fucked up. She deleted the post, but she left her waffle iron plugged in, and a certain nameless Destiny fan recorded her words for everyone. Allow me to put words to what Wu wants:

“Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws—always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. - Robert A. Heinlein.
I was going to post this in KiA, but their mods advised me that it would get down voted and no one would see it. So, I’m going to post it here. I hope KiA will crosslink it and have a healthy discussion so they don’t get nuked.
Can we have an honest discussion? I believe that a wide range of political opinions is both healthy and inevitable - part of human nature really. I don’t agree with anything KiA believes - but that doesn’t mean for that reason alone they should be thrown off Reddit. There is not going to be a point where conservative gamers are going to see the light and agree with us. Conservative versus liberal is part of human nature. So, since it’s unreasonable to expect them to go away, what do we want? We want their specific harassing behavior to stop.
The central problem with this is large parts of KiA do not see how they are harassing people. If KiA does get nuked, it will be because it’s denizens were unable to see how others interpreted their actions.
As an engineer, I am a pragmatist. And I have three specific actions that I would strongly suggest KiA stop today, so their forum can survive and the freedom of ideas can continue unfettered.

• 1. They must stop outing transgender people

If there’s any behavior KiA does that will end up getting them nuked for harassment, this is it. If they don’t believe transgender women are women, that’s wrong - but letting them say it is a free speech issue. Where it gets different is targeting specific individuals.
I know they don’t understand this, but outing someone transgender can literally lead to their death, their firing, and other kinds of terrible abuse. They can easily advocate against transgender rights without endangering specific people.
I have been in touch with multiple people at Reddit about implementing this specific rule.

• 2. They must stop inciting a violent mob against individuals

I’ve thought about this a lot, and this is the most likely scenario where I think I could get murdered. A reader of KiA or 8chan has been hearing all day long what a terrible person I am, and frenzied by the mob, he shows up at my doxxed address with a gun and murders me and my family. Maybe he hasn’t even sent death threats. But the steady diet of hearing that I am the worst person on earth makes him feel he’s doing the world a favor in killing me.
I have become a public figure. And I realize that part of that is I’m going to have to endure very harsh criticism. That’s fine. Where it crosses the line is where it become less about my ideas and who I am as a person. Brianna Wu is stupid, untalented, wrong, a bitch, an idiot, a failed game developer - those opinions are what I signed up for. Knock yourselves out, and long live free speech.
But if you’re minimizing the threats to my life, saying I made them up, and advocating the mob frenzy of attacking me and other women? Well, I know KiA doesn’t understand it, but this is harassment. And it could get me and others killed. If you want KiA to survive, attack the idea and not the person.

• 3. Admit the free market wants a Reddit with less harassment.

I know Reddit believes that this policy change is all SJW brainwashing, but I strongly disagree. I think Ellen Pao is trying to make sure Reddit survives for years to come. Like Twitter, Reddit’s reputation is as a place were users get harassed. They’ve done internal studies that show, the users of Reddit itself want this change.
Reddit’s power as a social place is in its users. And if the users don’t feel safe, they’re going to leave.
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Over my life, I have been both a liberal and a conservative. Obviously, I lean very strongly one way now - and to me, liberals are much more friendly and emotionally healthy group to belong to. But, if I were being honest - we do sometimes have a pro-censorship bent that makes me deeply uncomfortable.
I hope that, rather than blame others, KiA will be an adult and take this moment to look into the mirror. The truth is, they have some harassing behavior that needs to stop. I hope they’ll reflect up on it, not for my sake, but for their own.

What we can take home from this is that Brianna:
(A) Wants to purge her being trans from the internet.
It's blatantly obvious. She and hers have a strangehold on Wikipedia and RationalWiki, which scrub her trans status, ED has little credibility with the public, and lolcow wiki has a ways to go before the full truth of her failings are made public, especially if I can get several of those Wu's victimized to talk about their experiences. Rest assured, however, we're going into battle with someone who wants that knowledge handled a-la Damnatio Memoriae: She wants it gone and no record that it ever existed to remain. She wants to silence anyone who even brings it up. But the Internet never forgets.

(B) Wants any and all criticism of her to stop.
Brianna Wu cannot take criticism. At all. Not even a little. Look at her nuclear meltdown vs. Pakman, who was an avowed moderate. Look at her debate with Hotwheels. What she especially wants, however, is the ability to lock down the criticism of her on any level. This would be what people told me about, but she hasn't been able to silence her opposition no matter how hard she's tried so far. This includes the criticism she gets from her own side. Ghazi knows this, which is why she removed it. Even Ghazi knows Tyce was a fake, Something Awful was behind Death to Brianna, and that Jace was about as dangerous as a handful of cottonballs hurled gently in someone's general direction (They claim it's indicative of a greater problem, but they do know they were hoaxes!). Brianna's running out of support gradually, and she knows that only a major victory - getting her opponents to capitulate or the like - will get any goodwill towards herself.

(C) Wants control over Reddit.
Sorry. This is fucking obvious. Wu's a giant kiss-ass with people who are more powerful than she is, and she knows it, because that's how she gets power in the first place - by kissing up to people who are "allied" to her. Brianna is, like any good social parasite, fawning and submissive in the face of greater authority and brutally tyrannical towards those of lesser status.

Solution:

1. Expose Wu. Record her lies and misdeeds. Without malice, without agenda. Let them speak for themselves. Lolcow wiki is basically designed for exactly this. Record her good and bad, her complete history, and allow the Internet to account in all things.

2. Record the words of those who have faced this beast before. Make clear what she is, who she is, and why. Put those on lolcow wiki.

3. Do not allow Wu to run from her misdeeds. Archive everything, as is the Kiwi custom. If you catch her in a lie and call her on it, if she deletes it, responds, or blocks you, nail her on it.

4. Provide increased evidence to Ghazi of Wu's misdeeds, especially cases of Wu being openly hostile towards her own side. Keep them furnished with ammunition. Wait for the fucking inevitable to happen: A massive redpilling, or a full-scale revolt against Brianna. If Destiny can have a full-scale rebellion by its userbase, than Brianna can suffer the same fucking blastback, and if they learn from GG and pack up and move? More power to them.

5. Wait for Revolution 60 to hit Steam. Allow natural selection to take its course in regards to game quality. Record subsequent Wu melt-downs and inability to manage her community forums.

6. Mock her for her lies, for her relentless avoidance of the truth, and for her willingness to harm people for her agenda. These are the talking points she cannot defend against, and which the Antis will likely back you up on.

Victory against Brianna Wu is essentially just recording Brianna Wu being Brianna Wu.

 

[AnOminous]

She has left a litany of broken, bitter people and serious resentment in her wake, and her own side chafes under her having authority.

People like this remind me of Caligula's motto. Oderint dum metuant. Let them hate, so long as they fear. The problem with that, as Caligula learned, is that you have to keep them afraid of you. You can't do that forever, and once you can't, you're finished.

 

[Cynical]

People like this remind me of Caligula's motto. Oderint dum metuant. Let them hate, so long as they fear. The problem with that, as Caligula learned, is that you have to keep them afraid of you. You can't do that forever, and once you can't, you're finished.

To add to that, Wu keeps dancing around the watershed moment of releasing his Sonichu, as once that happens and it tanks, his influence evaporates, and he knows it, which is why Wu is doing all this foot dragging and trying desperately to find another SJW hot button issue to hop on to stay relevant.