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Hilarious Wiki discussion about "deadnaming" in quotes because of Ellen Page.


While this is under discussion, I believe it's also important to establish a standard on the use of deadnames within quotes; for example, in Hard Candy (film), several quotes in the Critical Reception section have had the dead name replaced with the updated name; this is obviously incorrect form, as it is no longer a proper quote at this point. A minor edit war has raged over this due to a lack of clear standard or consensus. I believe there are four options here for how this can be handled, though welcome the introduction of any others;

  • Option A: Leave the quotes as they are, including the deadname.
  • Option B: Leave the quotes as they are, including the deadname, but add a footnote explaining that the person now goes by a different name.
  • Option C: Remove the deadname from the quote through use of an ellipsis {...} where applicable.
  • Option D: Remove the deadname from the quote altogether, without the use of an ellipsis; for example, "spectacular performance by teenage thesp Ellen Page" would become "spectacular performance by teenage thesp Page"
  • Option E [edited in]: Substitute the deadname for the current name using brackets, e.g. "spectacular performance by teenage thesp [Elliot] Page"
  • Option F [edited in]: Add an editorial clarification in square brackets, e.g.: "John [now Jane] Q. Public", or "John Q. Public [now Jane Q. Public-Gutierrez]"
  • Option G [edited in]: Adjust sentence or summarize quoted material to avoid use of dead-name.
 
He's still there, he changed his account handle to @BryliSheHers
also his Twitch, there must have been so much literal violence misgendering before he added those pronouns front and center
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cow crossover with monicaaaaaah
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they are equally creepy, please date each other and leave lesbians alone
 
I think it’s funny as hell. No sympathy for these dumb bitches. Can’t wait for them to be 35, back to being a woman, and whining about where have all the good men gone/why doesn’t their insurance cover IVF.
They'll probably be more concerned with their skeletons falling apart, their mysterious number of virulent cancers, their uterine prolapse and constant incontinence.
 
Bryleigh's hairline is at the point where normal men would think "I need to do something about this!" and either just shave it all off, or have a style that conceals it a bit, or maybe take those propecia tablets ... but no, Bryleigh scrapes it rightback into a tranbun, showing off his expanding dome!
 
Bryleigh's hairline is at the point where normal men would think "I need to do something about this!" and either just shave it all off, or have a style that conceals it a bit, or maybe take those propecia tablets ... but no, Bryleigh scrapes it rightback into a tranbun, showing off his expanding dome!
He’s at the point where normal women would be doing something about it! Women don’t get male-pattern baldness, but we do get thinning hair as we age so we have methods to fix that. Everything from makeup tricks (shoutout to Chantel) to weaves to hair units (basically wigs that you weave to your head long term and just regular wigs. Not to mention the ever popular babushka variants that literally every culture has.
If my hair had deteriorated to that point I’d either go for a hair unit to be weaved in or, depending on the surrounding hair, just head-scarf it. I’d rather have a femininely draped scarf than show baldness (my features can’t pull that off!).
Again, this person could be doing a lot better if he just left the hug box and talked to some actual women with actual skills

Edit: attached two photos of scarf examples for the menfolk.
 

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Why don’t they just do whatever’s done when a woman marries?
Yeah I'm surprised they haven't already jumped onto using née, although I don't know if Wikipedia use that for married women in their style manual and I don't care to look. Unfortunately this would just be another case of the confusion of existing language by now applying it to first names, plus also it is very uncommon for it to be applied to men (as historically they would never be the ones to change their last name at marriage).
 
also his Twitch, there must have been so much literal violence misgendering before he added those pronouns front and center
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I never understood why changing your sex legally also means changing your birth certificate. That's like having multiple layers of lying, and what for?
 
Yeah I'm surprised they haven't already jumped onto using née, although I don't know if Wikipedia use that for married women in their style manual and I don't care to look. Unfortunately this would just be another case of the confusion of existing language by now applying it to first names, plus also it is very uncommon for it to be applied to men (as historically they would never be the ones to change their last name at marriage).
I imagine you can just place the parenthesis further up the name like:
Meghan Windsor (née Markle) vs. Elliot (née Ellen) Paige
 
for godsake, some people actually need to told to do those things? I'm vain and a fag but I use foundation (well, cover-up), blowdry, have longish hair, and moisturize. I'm not even trying to look female, I just know those things are how to make the best of an ugly situation, haha. Whyyyy do sooo many troons seem to have trouble with basic hygiene, and simple grooming? If they're just slobs, then fine (I guess) but they have no right to moan that lesbians won't touch their dick if they don't even make a token effort...
 
Fun fact, the word "née" in french is exclusively feminine: the masculine version would be "né". I wonder if that makes it transphobic in this case.
Huh. Learn something new everyday. On one hand, yeah, it’s gonna be “transphobic” I guess they could use né for trans men but whatever. On the other hand they could just claim “English weirdness” and make née a neutral word in English. Cause why not?
Alternatively, plenty of people have changed their name. How how the fuck to they handle Prince?
 
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I'm sure some of you have seen The Queen's Gambit, it's a Netflix original series that's very popular right now. To summarize, it's about an orphaned young female chess prodigy who seeks to become the best chess player in the world -- all while struggling with addiction, trauma, and a shitty personality -- during the patriarchal 1960s. I thought it was a decent show, but it was definitely woke; for example, the smart, sassy black character becomes a radical activist lawyer in the Black Power movement. As the story begins, the main character enters an orphanage for girls sometime in the 1950s -- and because Netflix was desperate to virtue signal, I guess -- the choir director is a transwoman. It's immediately apparent that the actor is trans mind you, and the voice leaves no room for doubt. And frankly, it kinda breaks the realism of a period drama to see something so jarringly modern shoehorned into the scene; is the audience really expected to believe that this person would be allowed to teach at an all-female, church-affiliated orphanage in the '50s? But the casting decision worked as planned, and the woke retards ate it up.
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I personally didn't realize that the choir teacher is trans. I didn't pay much attention to the character to begin with, just assumed that she was an unfortunate-looking woman. Also, the Italian voice actor chosen for the character is a real woman (Barbara Castracane, the official Italian voice actor for Famke Janssen, Queen Latifah and... Mrs Beakly), and that contributed to the illusion. Now I wonder how's the dub in other languages, and if choosing a woman to dub a transwoman (like here they did for Agrado in Todo Sobra Mi Madre) is a victory for the trans movement or if it's seen as 'cis actors stealing jobs from trans actors'.
 
Why don’t they just do whatever’s done when a woman marries?
Oh, there are tons of reasons that people change their names, it's not a new convention, especially in entertainment. However, in the other cases there has never been this delusion that the person's old name was somehow harmful to them. You'd think that, considering how proud they always are to be trans, they'd be willing to acknowledge that they used to be called their "deadname". They're not fucking divine entities who are bound up in a true name that holds literal, physical power over them. Even if you believe in troonism, the person who was hired to play Juno MacGuff, the person listed in the credits, the person who was nominated for an Oscar was named "Ellen" and the contemporary paperwork and reviews will reflect that, even if the name has since changed, and logically it shouldn't be wiped away.

But in her Wikipedia page they really do go out of their way to avoid saying "Ellen" (they simply couldn't avoid it in the references section though), really only mentioning it in regards to her birth and her new name. If you look at someone like Cat Stevens they really don't even try to avoid saying "Steven Demetre Georgiou" or any variation thereof despite the fact that he hasn't been called that in fifty years and was never known as "Mr Georgiou" or anything like that, simply because it would be dishonest to call him "Cat" or "Yusuf" for his early life.

I believe you both are missing the point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the issue isn't the abortion itself, it's the fact that once a mother in China discovers her unborn child to be female, the chances of abortion are exponentially higher, if not guaranteed. This is likely due to the two-child policy. After all, a woman cannot lead a family. You need a son to continue the bloodline. This is why there are a lack of women in China, and why they opt to kidnap women from other countries.

It's about the statistics, not the act.
No, it's about the act. But it's not contradictory, feminists aren't opposed to aborting female fetuses, they're opposed to aborting fetuses because they're female. Same way that feminists aren't against bosses firing their employees, but they are against them firing employees for being female. Or any number of things that are acknowledged as unfortunate, but necessary. This inability to distinguish between has really infested libfem ideology where you'll get people insisting that you can't be a feminist if you don't believe in these things that are similar to (but distinct from) actual women's issues.
 
Huh. Learn something new everyday. On one hand, yeah, it’s gonna be “transphobic” I guess they could use né for trans men but whatever. On the other hand they could just claim “English weirdness” and make née a neutral word in English. Cause why not?
I imagine the Académie Française would throw an absolute shit-fit if the Anglophones started misappropriating a French word to make it gender neutral. So either we choose to piss off trannies by misgendering, or piss off the French by mangling their language. Spoiled for choice!
 
I imagine the Académie Française would throw an absolute shit-fit if the Anglophones started misappropriating a French word to make it gender neutral. So either we choose to piss off trannies by misgendering, or piss off the French by mangling their language. Spoiled for choice!
They’ve gone after Spanish already, so why not? I’ve already seen people pushing for Filipinx and Italianx.

Btw, anyone else remember when the gender neutral form was Latin@?
 
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