2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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The thing that urks me about the opioid epidemic is that the government's response to this is basically cracking down on pharmacists which is the symptom, not the cause. Until then, the deaths will continue to grow. But oh look, it's the coronavirus. That thing will kill you! Fucking hate it.
The citizens are unhappy. Do you:

1. Try to fix their problems
2. Banish the Jews
 
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SCOTUS is giving them 48 hours to reply to Texas. Clock's ticking, cucks! Maybe this time don't break out the "If you stop us from cheating that'll be REALLY BAD FOR US" reasoning, fuckers.


The citizens are unhappy. Do you:

1. Try to fix their problems
2. Banish the Jews

Trick question. They're one and the same.

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China only survives because we ship them food. We'd cut them off. We'd destroy their ports and the Three Gorges Dam. That destroys any and all ability China has to feed itself. Two, Three Weeks Later, we've won. Give it 2 or 3 weeks more to let the population numbers drop down to a sustainable level, and we start making deals with the 9 or 10 different countries China has fractured into by then.

The only catch being that the Globalists would lose their FUCKING MINDS if we threatened their outsourced slaves. China is protected by Israel and the EU, because everyone outsources human rights abuses to them.



I genuinely think if we ever did get into a war with China, the Three Gorges would be gone within a week or two. It's too tempting a target, and it's destruction would end China.
Now that rare earths are a National Emergency, we’re not outsourcing that particular abuse to China anymore.

Also, I’m pretty sure if we thought they could get off with a scolding, Taiwan could bomb the dam.
 
This is an era of "optics" warfare, and the US would have to seriously pull its punches and do a ground war - which it would never win simply due to China's size and raw manpower
You act as if going to war against an emergent, if not an outright, superpower would be a time for 'optics' warfare.

Two superpowers (certainly two nuclear powers) have never gone to war, outright war, with each other ever before. Forget all prior precedent when it comes to tactics.
 
Two superpowers have never gone to war, outright war, with each other ever before. Forget all prior precedent when it comes to tactics.
Two NUCLEAR superpowers have never gone to war before. Superpowers have been dueling it out since Rome vs Parthia.

Also optics pretty much was the defining feature of the Cold War. USSR didn’t lose militarily or economically, they lose because the Warsaw Pact lost trust in Soviet leadership due to Chernobyl and the secret division of Poland with the Nazis being revealed.
 
You act as if going to war against an emergent, if not an outright, superpower would be a time for 'optics' warfare.

Two superpowers (certainly two nuclear powers) have never gone to war, outright war, with each other ever before. Forget all prior precedent when it comes to tactics.
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Hypothetically, if America fought China they could probably win. China is a little bitch. The Indians have been fighting with the Chinese and reported that most of them are scared little kids who don't know one end of a gun from the other and are severely undernourished. Similar goes for the Russians, incidentally. The Russians have won like one war in two hundred years. That's why they try to subvert the US instead

But, as you said, China has nukes and even though they're Russian made nukes from like the '50s they probably don't want to risk even one of them landing. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were like 90% dud and look at the destruction they caused. Today's modern nuclear weapons are at least a thousand times more devastating than those and we don't know how good American missile defence systems are.
Pretty much this. I'm of the opinion that the only reason we haven't had a nuclear war yet is because nobody really knows exactly how one will go down. Once somebody pops the cherry on a nuclear exchange and it doesn't end the world? Well, it's going to be a bad fucking day to be an infantryman.
 
Pretty much this. I'm of the opinion that the only reason we haven't had a nuclear war yet is because nobody really knows exactly how one will go down. Once somebody pops the cherry on a nuclear exchange and it doesn't end the world? Well, it's going to be a bad fucking day to be an infantryman.

No one wants Nuclear war because it would as the old "Wargames" movie shows, it would just result in mutually assured destruction. It only really applies to non Nuclear states trying to strongarm a Nuclear capable state. And aise from that, no ones going to get into a landwar with China, or China with anyone else, since they are an economic superpower. It's why China wants control of the major shipping lanes. It's far more efficient to threaten your target with starvation than sending some battlalions over the border.
 
Complete and total disagree.
If the objective was "total war against China", then sure. The US would lose several major cities, but ultimately China would be strangled into submission. However, this is not an era of total war. This is an era of "optics" warfare, and the US would have to seriously pull its punches and do a ground war - which it would never win simply due to China's size and raw manpower. In addition you'd get calls for surrender even if one nuke hit a major US city, so the fifth column at home would lose you the war just like it lost Vietnam.

If China tried to fight to take over Taiwan and so forth, yeah the US would win. Because all the US has to do at that point is hold Taiwan and Guam and so forth. But the US absolutely cannot win a scenario where they are the aggressor.
Never underestimate the fact that the United States has to play good guy. In WW2 we had the luxury of firebombing the Germans and Japanese because both parties tried to do that to the United States. Just War demands that the escalation be reciprocal and that most actions - however violent - seek to deescalate the conflict. Like nuking Japan. Why was that a-okay then but if we just nuked Beijing tomorrow we'd be war criminals? Because nuking Japan brought the war closer to its end, and nuking China would escalate a conflict to its absolute maximum scenario and likely draw in Russia and Iran as well.
This- the US still has its 'leader of the free world' image to uphold. It fundamentally cannot be justified in preemptively attacking the mainland- even if China invades Taiwan- unless China goes Imperial Japan-tier. If it does that anytime before that, the US will be perpetually painted as the aggressor.

All I can see the US doing is eliminating China's navy and maybe its amphibious capabilities, but not much beyond that. It'll be a war of containment. That being said, I am entirely sure that espionage will be rife during any hot conflict- China may be more aggressive in that regards in targeting the US electric grid and infrastructure via sabotage and communication warfare, and vice-versa.

Same with economic warfare- it'll be a war of economic attrition if not quickly solved militarily.

China only survives because we ship them food. We'd cut them off. We'd destroy their ports and the Three Gorges Dam. That destroys any and all ability China has to feed itself. Two, Three Weeks Later, we've won. Give it 2 or 3 weeks more to let the population numbers drop down to a sustainable level, and we start making deals with the 9 or 10 different countries China has fractured into by then.

The only catch being that the Globalists would lose their FUCKING MINDS if we threatened their outsourced slaves. China is protected by Israel and the EU, because everyone outsources human rights abuses to them.

I genuinely think if we ever did get into a war with China, the Three Gorges would be gone within a week or two. It's too tempting a target, and it's destruction would end China.
I'd say the Three Gorges is too obvious a target, maybe unless things get desperate. Definitely economic and material blockades come first. In that regards, I think China has more durability in its citizenry and a more united government, but the US has more tools at its disposal. The Belt and Road system will definitely be tested as an alternate economic lifeline...
 
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Also optics pretty much was the defining feature of the Cold War.
Think about that sentence. We're not talking about a Cold War. We're talking about a Red Hot one
USSR didn’t lose militarily or economically
They did, though. Afghanistan ended up being their Vietnam and drained the economy back home, which was already shitty because planned economies generally are. Gorbachev tried to modernise the economy by basically putting in capitalist features, exactly like China. This led to an easing up of the boot which, naturally, led a lot of people to come out and express how much they hated the Soviet Union coupled with a wellspring of nationalist sentiment which pretty much destroyed the whole thing.

See, nationalism is the death of communism. That's why they hate Trump
 
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