2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[WhimsicalTrolli]

So Alito hasn't chosen yet so a surprise midnight drop?

 

[A Security Guard]

So, Missouri just joins the fight.

https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1336506935982624768

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Sometimes I wonder how Missouri managed to stay red despite having three major cities, Columbia, St. Louis and Kansas City. Some of those cities are growing and I worry that one of them will become the next Denver since house prices are cheap over there.

 

[Reisen Storm]

This person didn't even acknowledge the widespread fraud that was happening last month (and still contested in these states). Biden underperformed in major cities except Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta. Plus Biden is low energy compared to Trump or even Hillary. Also this person didn't explain how most of the seat flips were Republicans despite it supposedly being a "blue wave". And don't forget that Biden slipped during the last presidential debate about ending the oil industry which turned away PA along with other states. Finally Trump's rallies are bigger than Biden's rallies and he successfully did it in these swing states. I would like to see this person's reaction to the Texas lawsuit succeeding so I can feed on their tears and fears.

Biden rallies were more impactful personal appearances, so he or they claim.

And if you hold Rallies and Run around the country without being cautious during a pandemic, you risk the health of yourself and your voter base. That's why Biden primarily ran a mostly online campaign with rare, but impactful personal appearances.

And it obviously worked, because not only did Biden Beat Trump nine ways to Sunday, he beat out Hillary's turnout by over 15 million votes.

They also address the whole mail-in ballots

They are going with "It's impossible that given a random sampling Biden votes would suddenly skyrocket late in the evening to such a degree."

Of course what they fail to grasp or say is that due to COVID and Trumps/Bidens conflicting statements many more democrats voted by mail then ever before compared to republicans and since those votes are counted after the in-person ones it was only natural that Biden would rise much more the Trump late in the game. This was by the way being said like a month before the election.

In short they seem (at least from what I understand) to be running statistical models without taking into account the fucking global pandemic.

I also like to note that when texas sued the contested states, everyone was spooked until a mod came in and gave his two cents.

I believe it is most just a lot of cheerleading from the sidelines, without actually doing anything atleast until they see if SCOTUS just sticks the whole thing through the shredder on Thursday.

 

[stets]

No, it's Trump's everyday, average, businessman-like "key jingling." He has Rudy do some shit, aka the hearings he's done in the contested states, and the media eats it up while gloating that Trump is flailing like a lame duck. Generally, distract the pozzed media with bait they will waste time moaning about, while the real machinations are laid undetected.

Who knows if MSM had the Texas+Southern States suit news in the crawl below the chyron, while they celebrated Kelly and Parnell's suit getting "tossed?"

Why not file a legitimate lawsuit immediately after the election? Why have your allies lose forty cases all over the country first? Why wait until literally the last second to file?

People have been saying “lol, just kidding, THIS case is the real case!” for over a month now. First it was other people filing the cases, but wait for the Trump campaign to file lawsuits. Then it was forget about the Trump lawsuits, release the Kraken! Then those got tossed, and everyone moved on to Pennsylvania.

Now that’s been rejected by nothing less than the Supreme Court, and everyone is focused on the Texas lawsuit, a case so weak that the state’s own solicitor general wouldn’t put his name on it. A case filed by a federally-indicted attorney general that badly wants a pardon and is trying to curry favor while also shoring up his right-wing street cred before the next primary.

Now this case is the ticket? There is no way the Supreme Court ever hears an oral argument for it. They’ll dutifully accept motions through Thursday and summarily dismiss it, likely before the weekend gets here. Like virtually every other case, it will end it disappointment, people will pretend like it never even matter, and that it’s the next case that’s always been the important one.

Every single step of the way for almost five weeks, victory has literally been just around the corner. No one seems to ever step back and realize that to keep believing this shit is full-blown retarded.

 

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Meanwhile...

https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC%20-%20Finance%20Joint%20Report%202020.09.23.pdf

 

[JambledUpWords]

Why not file a legitimate lawsuit immediately after the election? Why have your allies lose forty cases all over the country first? Why wait until literally the last second to file?

People have been saying “lol, just kidding, THIS case is the real case!” for over a month now. First it was other people filing the cases, but wait for the Trump campaign to file lawsuits. Then it was forget about the Trump lawsuits, release the Kraken! Then those got tossed, and everyone moved on to Pennsylvania.

Now that’s been rejected by nothing less than the Supreme Court, and everyone is focused on the Texas lawsuit, a case so weak that the state’s own solicitor general wouldn’t put his name on it. A case filed by a federally-indicted attorney general that badly wants a pardon and is trying to curry favor while also shoring up his right-wing street cred before the next primary.

Now this case is the ticket? There is no way the Supreme Court ever hears an oral argument for it. They’ll dutifully accept motions through Thursday and summarily dismiss it, likely before the weekend gets here. Like virtually every other case, it will end it disappointment, people will pretend like it never even matter, and that it’s the next case that’s always been the important one.

Every single step of the way for almost five weeks, victory has literally been just around the corner. No one seems to ever step back and realize that to keep believing this shit is full-blown retarded.

Many of the cases that were lost were because of partisan courts. The hearings were still useful because they helped gain traction in the cause and helped present evidence to the public. Had the hearings not happened, and the lawsuits before them, I don’t know if this Texas case would have gone forward. With cases like these, you need to gain enough traction in the public and the courts for things like this to happen. Those are just my thoughts. If Texas just did this at the start before much evidence was actually presented beforehand in the hearings, I doubt it would get the support it’s getting now.

 

[CrippleThreat]

Why not file a legitimate lawsuit immediately after the election? Why have your allies lose forty cases all over the country first? Why wait until literally the last second to file?

People have been saying “lol, just kidding, THIS case is the real case!” for over a month now. First it was other people filing the cases, but wait for the Trump campaign to file lawsuits. Then it was forget about the Trump lawsuits, release the Kraken! Then those got tossed, and everyone moved on to Pennsylvania.

Now that’s been rejected by nothing less than the Supreme Court, and everyone is focused on the Texas lawsuit, a case so weak that the state’s own solicitor general wouldn’t put his name on it. A case filed by a federally-indicted attorney general that badly wants a pardon and is trying to curry favor while also shoring up his right-wing street cred before the next primary.

Now this case is the ticket? There is no way the Supreme Court ever hears an oral argument for it. They’ll dutifully accept motions through Thursday and summarily dismiss it, likely before the weekend gets here. Like virtually every other case, it will end it disappointment, people will pretend like it never even matter, and that it’s the next case that’s always been the important one.

Every single step of the way for almost five weeks, victory has literally been just around the corner. No one seems to ever step back and realize that to keep believing this shit is full-blown retarded.

This whole process could be quicker overall, but aren't you the same guy who said Trump wouldn't win Florida in a landslide in this election, and boom, +3 point win in swing state?

 

[Syaoran Li]

Why not file a legitimate lawsuit immediately after the election? Why have your allies lose forty cases all over the country first? Why wait until literally the last second to file?

People have been saying “lol, just kidding, THIS case is the real case!” for over a month now. First it was other people filing the cases, but wait for the Trump campaign to file lawsuits. Then it was forget about the Trump lawsuits, release the Kraken! Then those got tossed, and everyone moved on to Pennsylvania.

Now that’s been rejected by nothing less than the Supreme Court, and everyone is focused on the Texas lawsuit, a case so weak that the state’s own solicitor general wouldn’t put his name on it. A case filed by a federally-indicted attorney general that badly wants a pardon and is trying to curry favor while also shoring up his right-wing street cred before the next primary.

Now this case is the ticket? There is no way the Supreme Court ever hears an oral argument for it. They’ll dutifully accept motions through Thursday and summarily dismiss it, likely before the weekend gets here. Like virtually every other case, it will end it disappointment, people will pretend like it never even matter, and that it’s the next case that’s always been the important one.

Every single step of the way for almost five weeks, victory has literally been just around the corner. No one seems to ever step back and realize that to keep believing this shit is full-blown retarded.

I agree with you up to a point but given the unique circumstances that this is a state filing the suit and not an individual, we fall into "original jurisdiction" where the odds are somewhat more in favor of actually making a difference since discovery and oral arguments are part and parcel of these rare specific cases

Also, the fact that multiple states are backing this all at once gives me a small inkling of hope that this might be the "razor-thin victory at the last possible nanosecond" scenario that would be the closest thing possible to a happy ending for 2020

Peak 2020 would be Trump and crew filing worthless lawsuits and getting nowhere while Ted Cruz of all people doing the actual legal legwork and making sure a suit could get to SCOTUS that would actually have a 50/50 shot at making a difference by virtue of a state filing it and not a single individual, plus the Texas case supposedly being more ironclad and less open-ended in its arguments than any of Trump's lolsuits or the Kraken Q-Tard nonsense from Wood and Powell.

Multiple states throwing their lot in with Texas helps give it weight, but who knows how this will go

 

[Bartleby]

Why not file a legitimate lawsuit immediately after the election? Why have your allies lose forty cases all over the country first? Why wait until literally the last second to file?

People have been saying “lol, just kidding, THIS case is the real case!” for over a month now. First it was other people filing the cases, but wait for the Trump campaign to file lawsuits. Then it was forget about the Trump lawsuits, release the Kraken! Then those got tossed, and everyone moved on to Pennsylvania.

Now that’s been rejected by nothing less than the Supreme Court, and everyone is focused on the Texas lawsuit, a case so weak that the state’s own solicitor general wouldn’t put his name on it. A case filed by a federally-indicted attorney general that badly wants a pardon and is trying to curry favor while also shoring up his right-wing street cred before the next primary.

Now this case is the ticket? There is no way the Supreme Court ever hears an oral argument for it. They’ll dutifully accept motions through Thursday and summarily dismiss it, likely before the weekend gets here. Like virtually every other case, it will end it disappointment, people will pretend like it never even matter, and that it’s the next case that’s always been the important one.

Every single step of the way for almost five weeks, victory has literally been just around the corner. No one seems to ever step back and realize that to keep believing this shit is full-blown retarded.

Is the case itself actually weak though? Every time I hear people criticising it, it's always because of who filed it rather than the contents of the case itself, which from what I understand at least has the benefit of going for a constitutional argument rather than naming specific instances of fraud (since no matter what, it will always be difficult for judges to choose to invalidate votes), as well as suggesting constitutional remedies that (a) don't require overturning the vote totals and (b) don't put SCOTUS in a kingmaker position if it falls to the state legislatures or a contingent election. I'm not sure how indicative the wait for this lawsuit is of anything, either, it's a hefty document after all that needs to be perfect if it's going to be a deciding factor in the outcome of an extremely controversial presidential election. Could also argue that the decisions of the lower courts may influence how SCOTUS rules if they've been consistently disingenuous, but I admit that's not exactly a strong argument in favour of taking a month and then some.

 

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Speaking of hedging bets (from a few pages ago)...

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1336537566921826304

 

[Battyann]

People jumped on me for saying it’s legally meritless but just do a google search - article after article details how legally baseless it is and why it’s a long shot. And I’m not saying this as a Biden supporter - I’m saying it as a lawyer.
And it’s very difficult to argue that the lower court cases were dismissed Bc of partisanship when even trump appointed judges dismissed cases.

 

[HumanHive]

Speaking of hedging bets (from a few pages ago)...

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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1336537566921826304

Counterpoint: court packing
Also lol, what the fuck is Romney conservative about? He’s a Mormon chamber of commerce drone. The Constitution means nothing to him.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

So, Missouri just joins the fight.

https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1336506935982624768

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Great news, all things considered.

Still an uphill battle (as I am "hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst"), but the odds become a little bit better as more states join in on the fight. Definitely adds more weight to the case.

 

[JambledUpWords]

People jumped on me for saying it’s legally meritless but just do a google search - article after article details how legally baseless it is and why it’s a long shot. And I’m not saying this as a Biden supporter - I’m saying it as a lawyer.
And it’s very difficult to argue that the lower court cases were dismissed Bc of partisanship when even trump appointed judges dismissed cases.

How exactly is it baseless?

 

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Counterpoint: court packing
Also lol, what the fuck is Romney conservative about? He’s a Mormon chamber of commerce drone. The Constitution means nothing to him.

Controlled opposition means never having to ask a real conservative for their opinions.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

https://twitter.com/SelimSeesYou/status/1336528686783279108

This stuff out of Michigan is insane. Baris pulled 100K random sample, found 12K dead or change of address voters (or both, sometimes). “Mrs. so-and-so, born January 1915, died August 2001, voted in Wayne county precinct 1, ward 33 on October 23rd, 2020” etc. Tons of these.

https://twitter.com/VictorJoecks/status/1336541920017805321

In just 2.5 hours, the @realDonaldTrump campaign filled a 40 page response to NV Supreme Court. Pretty incredible. Highlights in the thread.

Based on evidence obtained from DMV, Trump campaign says they identified almost 4K immigrant voters.

I’m guessing these are people who registered to vote while using a green card for identification.

That would be a massive scandal.

District court all but ignored the testimony of the former Secretary of State of Colorado.

Democrats expert who claimed limited voter fraud in previous Nevada elections apparently did an internet search for past fraud cases.

I’ll never understand this idea that those committing fraud will brag about it after the fact.

More details on how the Trump campaign used databases to identify suspected double, dead and out-of-state voters.

That’s actual research, as compared to internet searches of past elections.

As I said earlier, I expect the NV Supreme Court to reject the Trump campaign’s case. Much easier to do that than engage in the hard work of pouring through the evidence that was filed under seal.

Why not file a legitimate lawsuit immediately after the election? Why have your allies lose forty cases all over the country first? Why wait until literally the last second to file?

People have been saying “lol, just kidding, THIS case is the real case!” for over a month now. First it was other people filing the cases, but wait for the Trump campaign to file lawsuits. Then it was forget about the Trump lawsuits, release the Kraken! Then those got tossed, and everyone moved on to Pennsylvania.

Now that’s been rejected by nothing less than the Supreme Court, and everyone is focused on the Texas lawsuit, a case so weak that the state’s own solicitor general wouldn’t put his name on it. A case filed by a federally-indicted attorney general that badly wants a pardon and is trying to curry favor while also shoring up his right-wing street cred before the next primary.

Now this case is the ticket? There is no way the Supreme Court ever hears an oral argument for it. They’ll dutifully accept motions through Thursday and summarily dismiss it, likely before the weekend gets here. Like virtually every other case, it will end it disappointment, people will pretend like it never even matter, and that it’s the next case that’s always been the important one.

Every single step of the way for almost five weeks, victory has literally been just around the corner. No one seems to ever step back and realize that to keep believing this shit is full-blown retarded.

TLDR: This is stupid, you're all stupid, and Drumphf.

 

[CrippleThreat]

How exactly is it baseless?

Legal experts said so and fraud is just a nightmare to prove, so just roll with it. And as for the partisan bit, the conservative judges while "Trump appointed," were pushed by McConnell. They're their own brand of conservative, and they won't typically side with the president. MSM rhetoric at it's simplest form. But who knows when it comes to lolfare?

Here's a Baris tweet on "muh conversative judges not backing proves he has no chance!":

https://twitter.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1336083926234836994

The judge wasn't even Trump's at all!

Every time something promising comes up... Where were these guys when the lolsuits and hearings started? At least 311doc provides his sources. Where are these articles on other legal experts/lolyers saying that the Texas suit is baseless within the same day of its reveal?

 

[A Security Guard]

Biden rallies were more impactful personal appearances, so he or they claim.


They also address the whole mail-in ballots



I also like to note that when texas sued the contested states, everyone was spooked until a mod came in and gave his two cents.

I'll organize your quotes and present them neatly while I answer them.

And if you hold Rallies and Run around the country without being cautious during a pandemic, you risk the health of yourself and your voter base. That's why Biden primarily ran a mostly online campaign with rare, but impactful personal appearances.

And it obviously worked, because not only did Biden Beat Trump nine ways to Sunday, he beat out Hillary's turnout by over 15 million votes.

I would like to see the numbers of what they're referring to cause I don't think anyone would watch Biden for "impactful appearances" during COVID because almost everyone were sick of extensive lockdowns imposed by Democrat governors and mayors and just want to go back to work. Also his turnout was quite low in other cities.

They are going with "It's impossible that given a random sampling Biden votes would suddenly skyrocket late in the evening to such a degree."

Of course what they fail to grasp or say is that due to COVID and Trumps/Bidens conflicting statements many more democrats voted by mail then ever before compared to republicans and since those votes are counted after the in-person ones it was only natural that Biden would rise much more the Trump late in the game. This was by the way being said like a month before the election.

In short they seem (at least from what I understand) to be running statistical models without taking into account the fucking global pandemic.

What about the ballots that surged in a 90 degree angle that only went for Biden at 3 or 4 am? This happened in Wisconsin and Michigan. Why didn't this happen in other states? Plus Republicans did mail-in vote only in lesser numbers so why didn't it go for Trump too when that time happened? It didn't even budge. And also why did they kick out the observers and block the windows? This happened in Detroit. I thought this was a fair and democratic election. You're supposed to have transparency.

I believe it is most just a lot of cheerleading from the sidelines, without actually doing anything atleast until they see if SCOTUS just sticks the whole thing through the shredder on Thursday.

This is a state filing a lawsuit with other states to back up. This isn't some lawsuit that Trump's team filed in the lower courts only to get dismissed. The Supreme Court today just agreed 6-3 to see Texas's lawsuit. This is BIG and will get interesting later on. Plus SCOTUS is a conservative majority since RBG died and you guys freaked out over it. You should be afraid that this is happening.

 

[babadook]

I petition to change 311doc's name, duct taping hymens isn't a valid medical procedure in civilized nations

 

[HumanHive]

Trump Legal Team Pressing Legal Challenges Into January

President Donald Trump's legal team is reportedly is moving full steam ahead with courtroom election challenges that are now expected to continue into January. Tuesday marked the "safe harbor" deadline, historically accepted as the date by which all state-level election...

www.newsmax.com

"President Donald Trump’s legal team is reportedly is moving full steam ahead with courtroom election challenges that are now expected to continue into January.

Tuesday marked the “safe harbor” deadline, historically accepted as the date by which all state-level election challenges — such as recounts and audits — are supposed to be completed.

But Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, representing Trump in his bid to overturn the election results, said the courts will look at challenges into next month, well past that deadline, the Washington Times reported.

“Justice [Ruth Bader] Ginsburg recognized in Bush v. Gore that the date of ‘ultimate significance’ is Jan. 6, when Congress counts and certifies the votes of the Electoral College,” they said in a statement, the news outlet reported.

“The only fixed day in the U.S. Constitution is the inauguration of the president on Jan. 20 at noon.”

Ellis reiterated that message on Fox Business’ “Mornings With Maria.”

"Although we have the safe harbor deadline today, and we have the meeting of the Electoral College next week on Dec. 14, the ultimate date of significance is Jan. 6,” she maintained.

According to The New York Times, there are lawsuits left unresolved in Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Of the three federal lawsuits still unresolved, two are in Wisconsin and one in Arizona, the news outlet reported.

There's also a petition before the United States Supreme Court involving an appeal of a state lawsuit in Pennsylvania; that suit addresses whether election officials were permitted to accept ballots up to three days after Election Day if they were postmarked by Nov. 3, the Times noted.

The New York Times reported that after California’s certification of its votes on Friday, Joe Biden will have secured more than the 270 Electoral College votes needed to become president.

But the president and his legal team have assailed the election results, alleging widespread and systemic voter fraud and massive errors in the tallying of a record number of mail-in and absentee ballots.

Those ballots were used more than ever this election cycle as a response to fears that requiring in-person voting would expose Americans to the coronavirus."

So to anyone who doubted, I told you so. It's actually infuriating to me, because I personally want this to be over so we can move the fuck on with our political lives but even if Trump loses in the USSC then he just moves on to arguing that the US Senate shouldn't ceritfy the election. And if Trump wins in the USSC, then it's Biden's turn to unleash the lolfare.
Nobody. Fucking. Wins.

You want a horrifying thought? Okay, here it is. This time next year we're still litigating over this election. There's actually no mechanism that unarguably shuts this shit down.