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Least Concern said:
EDIT: Regarding the Kiara ban thing, I'll say again what I said before - these companies should consider leaving YouTube and their 30% haircut in the dust. It's too much money to leave at the whim of a third party.
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Question is, where? Twitch has already been a disaster
 
Jaeger said:
The Japanese chat has its fair share of backseaters. They just finesse it a bit better. Even then, you get the occasional smackdown of the J-chat when it gets too overbearing. Luna's "shut up!" wasn't just to the English speakers when she was playing Super Metroid--there were Japanese guys telling her how to play as well.

Overall, though, the Japanese chat is better behaved, from what I can tell. I've heard (but not confirmed) that there is a degree of frustration with the English chat among the Japanese viewers. I can't say I blame them.
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I observe Japanese chat on VODs from time to time. They're generally more chill than EN chat but when shit goes down, it's akin to a tactical nuke of autism. But really, it also cuts both ways. I've seen JPbros who're pretty fond of how engaged English chat gets and how EN chat (for better or worse) is willing to look past the vtuber kayfabe and treat the personalities as actual human beings (unlike the idolfags that the JP fandom is full of).

In general though, I think the friction is honestly a good thing. Breaks the JPs out of their shell a little.
 
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The ProjektMelody stream for cyberpunk was as chaotic as expected but the highlight had to be when she flat out forgot the game has nudity and an option to turn it off so she flashed twitch with in-game titties. Low point was definitely when she approached a stealth mission with all the grace and strategy of a coked out chimpanzee so she died like 20 times before she realized that simply following the mission prompt would avoid having to fight off a dozen guards with assault rifles and SMGs.
 
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Kiara played it off as if she had just revived a few hours ago and had temp amnesia. Called Ollie and Gura her sempai and forgot about Calli and Amelia sent her the memes as evidence to jump-start her memory. Kinda cute, and the chat really got into it. The ID Gen 2 holos, Gura and Moona popped up in chat along with Calli.

She chatted a bit over end card, apparently the only hint she had for why YT terminated without any warning was a very vague message about promoting activities that could bring harm to herself and others, though YT responded and was like "lol it's our algorithm again" - no message otherwise for termination nor for reinstatement. Is apparently the first termination of any Hololive account.
 
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Gisae said:
Hot damn, are Calli's fans that cancerous?

Makes me wonder what's the general "atmosphere" of all Holo's unofficial fan discords
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I'd say the polka server is pretty chill.
Aside from "damn russians are crazy" being considered offensive
 
rikochi88 said:
Question is, where? Twitch has already been a disaster
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No, no, no. I think they should build up and use their own site/service. I think they're well beyond the threshold where it would be profitable, they'd have more control over moderating chat and such, and they wouldn't have to put up with random bans like this.
 
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Least Concern said:
No, no, no. I think they should build up and use their own site/service. I think they're well beyond the threshold where it would be profitable, they'd have more control over moderating chat and such, and they wouldn't have to put up with random bans like this.
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The development and operation costs of that, without any sort of economy of scale, would easily overwhelm the amount they'd gain in the revenue cuts, even presuming the virtual impossibility that they wouldn't see a major drop-off in traffic due to the loss of network effects the YT ecosystem provides.
 
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Least Concern said:
No, no, no. I think they should build up and use their own site/service. I think they're well beyond the threshold where it would be profitable, they'd have more control over moderating chat and such, and they wouldn't have to put up with random bans like this.
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I think you greatly underestimate the cost and bandwidth required for HD video streaming to tens of thousands of people as well as the server space requirements to store an ungodly amount VODs.

Beyond that using a 3rd party platform keeps a degree of seperation for legal matters as well. as it stands when a company might get pissy with them over copyright related matters, Youtube serves as a shield and they just get video takedowns instead of legal papers. In those situations as well platforms like Youtube (or Twitch) being US based offers up some minor protection as well just by virtue of location as it has to go through American Copyright law which, while fucked in it's own ways, is still miles better than Japan's
 
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Thomas Talus said:
The development and operation costs of that, without any sort of economy of scale, would easily overwhelm the amount they'd gain in the revenue cuts, even presuming the virtual impossibility that they wouldn't see a major drop-off in traffic due to the loss of network effects the YT ecosystem provides.
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Economy of scale? You mean like having many of the highest-revenue streamers on the platform under a single organization? Sounds pretty "scale" to me.

And the network effect is good, but there's a point of declining returns, and IMO they're near or at that. And I'm sure there'd still be plenty of clips that make it to YT either officially or otherwise which will help discoverability continue.

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I think you greatly underestimate the cost and bandwidth required for HD video streaming to tens of thousands of people as well as the server space requirements to store an ungodly amount VODs.

Beyond that using a 3rd party platform keeps a degree of seperation for legal matters as well. as it stands when a company might get pissy with them over copyright related matters, Youtube serves as a shield and they just get video takedowns instead of legal papers. In those situations as well platforms like Youtube (or Twitch) being US based offers up some minor protection as well just by virtue of location as it has to go through American Copyright law which, while fucked in it's own ways, is still miles better than Japan's
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As a web developer, I have some vague ideas of what's required. VODs aren't really a problem at all; storage is cheap. Definitely the streaming is the hard part, but even if they didn't want to do it entirely themselves, they can still contract out to white-label services which handle some of the hard parts for them. Amazon, the operators of Twitch, offers a service like this.

I'm a bit puzzled by the copyright argument. If Hololive were to do this, and they were to continue to get explicit permission from various game companies, who would be striking their content exactly? The game company couldn't, Hololive wouldn't strike themselves, and nobody else would have a claim.
 
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