2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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It seems that there's going to be a storm no matter what. The only question that SCOTUS is going to have to ask itself is if they want to weather that storm with Trump at the helm, or with Sleepy Joe. The lawsuit has already divided the states by actual territory, which is something I thought wouldn't happen again because it wasn't a Mason-Dixon division and the divides of today are more rural vs urban. Beanie man is probably looking like Nostradamus right around now.
While I'd like to believe SCOTUS will end up ruling on the law... the truth is they'll end up ruling on whoever gives the best backroom deal. Its simply to fucked a situation for anything else to be.

Ironically, I think that BOTH sides have a -really- shit hand to make a deal from. Oh yes, both have good cards to play, but they also have so many bad ones sprinkled in that any attempt to use the good will necessarily drag in the bad.
 
right, i haven't seen the whole thing because the state hasnt shown the whole thing. which means you dont have anything to prove me wrong either.

the video the state alleges is evidence that clears them of wrong doing doesnt clear them. you couldn't take those state farm clips out and arrange them in such a way to fashion a narrative that vindicates the state. thats conjecture.

all you have left is the statements made by the official which are anecdotal. since that doesnt prove anything you're now hiding behind "the state has the whole thing but you have to petition them for it".

in otherwords, you dont have the evidence to prove "this election was secure and legit" to be true
You could have FOIA'd the whole footage - you've failed the Don.

See, my argument? I'm not making it as matter of fact. I'm looking at the footage, and I'm saying, "What is this?" The GA officials provided an explanation. You have yet to offer a rebuttal to their explanation. Not just you, but the legal people, who would already have had access to the entire footage, have not offered a rebuttal.

You are literally asking me to prove a negative. You assert that the evidence was fraudulent. Officials testify and recount that it was not, and you provide this video evidence - which they provide explanation for. Got it? At this stage, here's what you have to do, because the burden of proof has been shifted back to you. This is an important concept.

You have to show evidence that the election officials are lying or misrepresenting the facts in their case. You have yet to demonstrate that the statement "the election was secure and legit" is false, because you've buckled and crumbled under every request to prove it.

Literally the most you have is "but isn't it POSSIBLE that it was fraudulent? Couldn't it be TRUE that lots of votes were fraudulent? On the basis of this POSSIBILITY, discount 80 million votes."
Video evidence? Why would people be mic'd up. I don't know what world you live in but in mine CCTV doesn't record sound. All we see is people leaving together as a group and that group being identified as observers where less than a few minutes later ballots are being pulled from under a table in nonstandard packaging and are being processed. The news reported the observers as being instructed to leave and the observers themselves support that assertion. It is clear that counting was still continuing as this county would go onto report a massive drop massively favouring biden and closing near 200k in his favour.

Now you election officials claiming differently, but these are some of the same election officials who either the news negligently misreported or are lying to protect electoral impropriety.

Here's a question for you Jack, if the observers left by their own accord by a mistaken belief, that counting had stopped once the envelope openers had left, did the election officials not interrupt this process by informing the observers what was going on?
...uh. Where did I say it was surveillance? It was a stream set up by the election committee. I believe it's been called that in all instances.

Nigger do you have all of the footage? All of the testimony is this: the counters are told to leave, and the observers leave with them. Some news outlets report that the observers were also told to leave early-on, and the observers themselves state that -- yet there is no cell phone footage or indeed even this footage demonstrating that the observers were told to leave. Meaning that they assumed they were told to leave. The officials all claim that they did not tell the observers to leave, and the observers just left with the other group because they saw people leaving. Again, this ones' really easy to disprove - cell phone footage. Stream footage. Why didn't the legal team do this :thinking:

The assertion that there was a massive jump makes complete fucking sense - the ballots that were going into the bins weren't being scanned into the count. Once they were scanned into the count, the number inflated. IE throughout the ENTIRE DAY that those ballots were being opened from envelopes, they were not being added to the Biden count. When they were scanned after the people opening the ballots left, the number went up.

The election officials are under no legal obligation to inform the poll workers that they could stand and watch some people scan in the ballots. I welcome you to find the legislation that suggests that the election officials will get in trouble for not informing a bunch of people leaving that they aren't required to leave. About all the more that they had to not do was tell the observers to leave. And there's no evidence beyond a few testimonies that haven't been presented in an actual court of law that such a thing was ordered of them -- and hell, might even be some evidence that it -was- just the ballot openers told to leave that has been presented which is similarly not available to the public outside of making some FOIA requests.

"prove the election wasn't fraudulent" is not how this works. That's like proving a negative. The -implicit assumption- in all legal contexts is that it isn't fraudulent, and the burden of proof falls onto you to prove it is fraudulent. If your arguments fart out the instant that someone makes a rebuttal, you've got fuckall.
 
Another interesting trend:
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Also, I think the state total is now 18 or 19, so it’s inaccurate anyway
 
While I'd like to believe SCOTUS will end up ruling on the law... the truth is they'll end up ruling on whoever gives the best backroom deal. Its simply to fucked a situation for anything else to be.

Ironically, I think that BOTH sides have a -really- shit hand to make a deal from. Oh yes, both have good cards to play, but they also have so many bad ones sprinkled in that any attempt to use the good will necessarily drag in the bad.
Which is why I think a major diaster would be nice right about now. Heard Yellowstone caldera is over due.
 
From where I sit, the best way to thread the needle is for the Supreme Court to hear the Texas Case, and order the 4 states in question to have their legislatures review and or approve their election. They could very well go on to certify their results anyway, but it would take the wind out of the sails of this growing coalition of States. Refusing to even hear the argument would be catastrophic. Biden is planning national level mandates for lockdowns and so on when he is inaugurated. Right out the gate these 20 states are going to be getting hard mandates from a President they don't feel is legitimate.

We are witnessing head counting in real time. The fact that its actual State Governments picking sides is alarming in the extreme. And I don't expect it to stop at 20. This shit is going to take on a life of its own.
 
While I'd like to believe SCOTUS will end up ruling on the law... the truth is they'll end up ruling on whoever gives the best backroom deal. Its simply to fucked a situation for anything else to be.
You can't make backroom deals with SCOTUS. Not really. The justices have a cushy job that they can't get fired from and Biden can't offer them anything that they wouldn't get automatically from ruling in Trump's favour.

All the justices swore an oath to uphold the constitution. The contested states' changes to the election laws was unconstitutional. Really this shouldn't be an argument.
 
There is no astroturfing. Most humans are just really stupid.
Twitter is known for having some hashtags with only 3K tweets as trending and will sometimes not even show how many people are tweeting about it. Yes, some stupid things trend naturally, but Twitter is known for curating and astroturfing their trending page.
 
You can't make backroom deals with SCOTUS. Not really. The justices have a cushy job that they can't get fired from and Biden can't offer them anything that they wouldn't get automatically from ruling in Trump's favour.

All the justices swore an oath to uphold the constitution. The contested states' changes to the election laws was unconstitutional. Really this shouldn't be an argument.
This is the dumbest post I have read today; Look, there is how things work on paper, and then there is how things actually work.
 
From where I sit, the best way to thread the needle is for the Supreme Court to hear the Texas Case, and order the 4 states in question to have their legislatures review and or approve their election. They could very well go on to certify their results anyway, but it would take the wind out of the sails of this growing coalition of States. Refusing to even hear the argument would be catastrophic. Biden is planning national level mandates for lockdowns and so on when he is inaugurated. Right out the gate these 20 states are going to be getting hard mandates from a President they don't feel is legitimate.

We are witnessing head counting in real time. The fact that its actual State Governments picking sides is alarming in the extreme. And I don't expect it to stop at 20. This shit is going to take on a life of its own.
Announcing that mandate was the -stupidest- thing Biden could have done, holy shit. Short version since this would be a -lengthy- rant. Gorsuch JUST RECENTLY did a firey and acerbic blasting of lockdown procedures on religious institutions, with a lot of his arguments crossing over to secular institutions.

Gorsuch is the conservative justice that they have the best chance of peeling off, and this ACTIVELY antagonizes him,
 
From where I sit, the best way to thread the needle is for the Supreme Court to hear the Texas Case, and order the 4 states in question to have their legislatures review and or approve their election. They could very well go on to certify their results anyway, but it would take the wind out of the sails of this growing coalition of States. Refusing to even hear the argument would be catastrophic. Biden is planning national level mandates for lockdowns and so on when he is inaugurated. Right out the gate these 20 states are going to be getting hard mandates from a President they don't feel is legitimate.

We are witnessing head counting in real time. The fact that its actual State Governments picking sides is alarming in the extreme. And I don't expect it to stop at 20. This shit is going to take on a life of its own.


I Thought state lines would fade as the new boundaries would be drawn up by warlords and bandit kings as america slowly descends into a technological collapse

I didnt expect states to form a coalition either.


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