2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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It could be abused like patent trolls by states with cash to burn (or AGs with ulterior motives) to try to contest other states simply for having results they dislike. This opens up the door to a lot of money being wasted on pointless suits. The exception is if Texas either brings forth something wholly new or makes a legal argument so compelling and specific that the precedent set isn't something that can be easily imitated or abused in this manner.
So what they have presented? Its literally a narrowly tailored lawsuit establishing exactly why it has standing to continue. Its not "We dislike the results" its "They failed to follow the procedures we agreed to".

"We" in this criteria being the states themselves, with the original contract dating back 2 centuries.
 
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Arkansas, Lousiana, Mississipppi, South Carolina and Utah are now seeking not to just support Texas, but to join them in their lawsuit against the other states. This is an escalation, it's now 6 states directly suing 4 states, not 1 state suing 4 states with 18 states filing "friend of court" briefs.
 

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ok, i'll change the assumption to "this was a fraudulent election"
It's a positive assertion.
by your standards we have to be start off with holding the assumption to be true.
my proof is
a lady shows a video where the observers were forced to leave and the poll workers continued counting.
now prove that it wasn't as sham.

Alrighty, autist. I go back to the route I said before. This is the evidence that you use to suggest that it was fraudulent.
The counter-point is that this video is incomplete, and according to testimony from the GA election officials, the observers were not forced to leave and indeed simply left because the ballot counters were told to leave. (IE, people opening the ballots and counting the number of ballots overall opened). The ballots under the table had been opened throughout the day and put there after being opened. The people scanning are not scanning in 'new' ballots, but rather ballots that have been opened throughout the day. The full footage of the event shows this, and nothing in the edited video makes clear that a) observers were told to leave or b) the scanners were using ballots which had not been opened earlier in the day.

Sound familiar? Now, everything but the point about the video being incomplete is the statement of the Georgia election officials as to the validity of your claims.

Now, like I said you have to do when this all began, you need to rebut the election official. If you can't, then we can't conclude anything about this video.
 
I have spent the last 3 minutes trying to figure out what you said. I think I get it?

For me, I have three worries that need to be addressed.
1: A legal remedy to fraud
2: Court packing
3: How to avoid The Uniparty.

What was suggested in the thing you responded to solves 1 and 3. It doesn't solve 2 though so I'd remain leery as fuck about it. Still, its the closest thing suggested to getting all three.

The powers that be dont even want to entertain the idea that fraud is an issue, even though it clearly is. Political Machines in Americas cities have a long history of shenanigans going back over a hundred years. Even acknowledging this fact raises uncomfortable questions.

The problem I see here though is they cant just stick their heads in the sand anymore. I would honestly be okay with then just kicking it back the State Legislatures and then glossing it over that way. Yeah it would be shitty, but it would smooth the ruffled feathers and add a few years to the time bomb we are all sitting on. Maybe even give us time to defuse it. I just dont know if the people running this shit show have thought this far ahead. The fact that they are simply trying to ignore this pretty much proves it. They never expected a coalition of States to form, and this also means they may not realize the enormity of the danger and act in a way that avoids the country blowing up.
 
So what they have presented? Its literally a narrowly tailored lawsuit establishing exactly why it has standing to continue. Its not "We dislike the results" its "They failed to follow the procedures we agreed to".

"We" in this criteria being the states themselves, with the original contract dating back 2 centuries.

Narrowly tailored? Scroll to the 'facts' portion of the complaint. It says a looooooooot of things which have nothing to do with the constitutional argument, which instead are trying to argue fraud rather than "this was done incorrectly and unconstitutionally."

If the Texas team only argues very very narrowly from the bulk of their complaint, sure. If they try to go over everything, no, this is just a compilation of "we don't like that"
 
It could be abused like patent trolls by states with cash to burn (or AGs with ulterior motives) to try to contest other states simply for having results they dislike. This opens up the door to a lot of money being wasted on pointless suits. The exception is if Texas either brings forth something wholly new or makes a legal argument so compelling and specific that the precedent set isn't something that can be easily imitated or abused in this manner.

...? The anecdotal? Dude, that's what the official testified and explained to investigators. That's not fucking anecdotal. The objective evidence is not the statement of that official - it's the statement of that official plus the footage of the event in question. You don't have that second one. Important people who matter have that second one. You can FOIA for that second one. All I can conclude lacking that second one is that these snippets are useless and anything "determined" by them is conjecture.

We're not back to the video of the suitcases. It's incomplete and impermissible as evidence BECAUSE everything you conclude about it is conjecture. You cannot in the video explain what those ballots are doing there, how they got there, why anything is happening, or what is happening between obvious cuts in the footage and between the various cameras - you need the full and unedited footage to contradict the claims made by the election officials. Election official makes a claim, references the full footage. Unable to rebut that, we return to the state before the video - claims about the video have not been proven demonstrably true.

If Trump said FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD and then he provided conclusive evidence for which there was no counterargument of fraud, based on no conjecture, then I would believe him. There has also been some evidence of dead SSNs voting, for which I fully believe small-scale fraud has happened. Not to the tune of even tens of thousands of votes, much less hundreds in a single state. Furthermore, if ANY of the damn cases went anywhere in the courts, I would fully give them more credence. The cases NOT going anywhere in the courts, by contrast, gives more credibility to their counter; IE, that the claims were frivolous.

So how was that assumption, that elections are neither secure nor fraudulent, proven true in 2016? in 2012? in 2008? Who went out there and proved that everything was true? Why do we even host elections if the assumption is that they are not necessarily secure?
To prove that you're a dumbass - how many states have verified? How could they possibly verify if the inherent assumption was that the election was not secure?

do you even know what a remand fucking is? when these fraud claims get thrown the fuck out, it isn't defaulting to "maybe there's problems, we can't conclude anything," it's "there are no demonstrable problems"

Also, fun thing about signature audits. Do you remember putting your SSN on the envelope? Does anyone else share your name? Ah, shite, now we've got to find a way to match up the envelopes with the individual ballots themselves, verify signatures on the envelopes based on potentially outdated-ass signature databases, hire thousands of people to cross-reference every single person with the given name put on an envelope, and we've got to do this all within the realm of safe harbor without any legal case which has suggested that states need to be compelled to do so. To ameliorate the feelings of a lot of sore losers who have yet to make any wins in court.

again, i don't have to foia evidence because i'm not looking to prove that this election was secure and legit. You are.

Election official makes a claim, references the full footage

you can't point to the officials statements without the video. The official's statements are contradicted by the lady's statements and she has video to go along with her statements. until the state releases the video i have no burden to accept their statements. it's up to you to bring other evidence at this point.


There has also been some evidence of dead SSNs voting, for which I fully believe small-scale fraud has happened. Not to the tune of even tens of thousands of votes, much less hundreds in a single state.

then i ask that you consider the court ruling used for the 2019 north carolina special elections that said any amount of fraud negates the election.

Also, fun thing about signature audits. Do you remember putting your SSN on the envelope? Does anyone else share your name? Ah, shite, now we've got to find a way to match up the envelopes with the individual ballots themselves, verify signatures on the envelopes based on potentially outdated-ass signature databases, hire thousands of people to cross-reference every single person with the given name put on an envelope, and we've got to do this all within the realm of safe harbor without any legal case which has suggested that states need to be compelled to do so. To ameliorate the feelings of a lot of sore losers who have yet to make any wins in court.

this isn't a refutation for signature audits. it's just more excuses for why they can't be done. I have a friend who says that signature audits would be a waste of time because it's morally wrong to throw out any cast ballot. again, not a refutation of the audit but an excuse for why they can't be done.

Alrighty, autist. I go back to the route I said before. This is the evidence that you use to suggest that it was fraudulent.
The counter-point is that this video is incomplete, and according to testimony from the GA election officials, the observers were not forced to leave and indeed simply left because the ballot counters were told to leave. (IE, people opening the ballots and counting the number of ballots overall opened). The ballots under the table had been opened throughout the day and put there after being opened. The people scanning are not scanning in 'new' ballots, but rather ballots that have been opened throughout the day. The full footage of the event shows this, and nothing in the edited video makes clear that a) observers were told to leave or b) the scanners were using ballots which had not been opened earlier in the day.

Sound familiar? Now, everything but the point about the video being incomplete is the statement of the Georgia election officials as to the validity of your claims.

Now, like I said you have to do when this all began, you need to rebut the election official. If you can't, then we can't conclude anything about this video.

the statement by the official is contradicted by the lady in the video. who do we believe? at least she has the state farm footage in front of her pointing out her claims while the offical has a boomer news segment. I have a female version of your official with real video the whole world has seen.
 

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Arkansas, Lousiana, Mississipppi, South Carolina and Utah are now seeking not to just support Texas, but to join them in their lawsuit against the other states. This is an escalation, it's now 6 states directly suing 4 states, not 1 state suing 4 states with 18 states filing "friend of court" briefs.
Oh no, this is gonna get spicy fast.
 
>The UK and EU
>General goodwill and faith
>STILL
>IMPLYING THEY EVER HAD


Nigga how high are you right now?!
English langauge doesnt have nuanced words and phrasings for relationships.

Its very binary.

Yes I am aware they dont have good faith and and good will on its own merits. Compared to how things in the USA right now? Thats different.

Begrudginly cooperative?
 
again, i don't have to foia evidence because i'm not looking to prove that this election was secure and legit. You are.


you can't point to the officials statements without the video. The official's statements are contradicted by the lady's statements and she has video to go along with her statements. until the state releases the video i have no burden to accept their statements. it's up to you to bring other evidence at this point.




then i ask that you consider the court ruling used for the 2019 north carolina special elections that said any amount of fraud negates the election.



this isn't a refutation for signature audits. it's just more excuses for why they can't be done. I have a friend who says that signature audits would be a waste of time because it's morally wrong to throw out any cast ballot. again, not a refutation of the audit but an excuse for why they can't be done.
Hahah dumb nigger, I don't have to prove this election was secure and legit. I don't fucking care if you deny reality; I just want to make you look stupid because you trip over basics. The vote being verified is a direct statement - the election was secure and legit. You've had lots of opportunity to prove it otherwise, and failed.

I don't need to point to official statements without the video. I am pointing to the fact that after the officials referenced the video, there were no further motions regarding this "evidence." The state could not give a shit less whether you accept their statements, because you are neither a judge, a litigant, or an electoral commission member. You have nothing conclusive to present in this argument, just conjecture.

Looks like that 2019 special election... uh. The board voted to redo the race? Basically, the guy broke NC law about ballot harvesting. That ain't just "a bit of fraud." (Also, how NC resolves its electoral shit through its own state courts doesn't fucking matter outside of NC.)

It is a refutation - really, just one line is a refutation. No-one who can compel the state to do it has compelled the state to do it, and no court case has compelled the state to do it. You crying about cheetos don gettin' done dirty does not compel the state to do it. Everything else is icing.
 
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