Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[JosephStalin]

 

[Old Man Mario]

So My Grandma has some friends who caught Covid. One of them is already on oxygen due to health problems. Last night this lady could barely breathe even with her oxygen tanks. Her husband also has Covid and was having breathing issues as well. They both went to the ER. The Hospital gave both of them whatever stuff they gave Trump and sent them home.

So, did they send them home to die or is this shit just that damn effective?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

It'll be different in the sense that the economy will fall off a cliff and civil disobedience will skyrocket.

Politicians and "experts" are way too optimistic about the idea of the public taking another 2020 up the ass when the vaccine they spent months hyping up arrives, more so when people with nothing left to lose get more agitated. If they were actually smart, they'd knock it down a notch next year before more people snap.

If people snap, then it's off to jail for them. If enough people snap and decide to have a peaceful protest, then expect the National Guard to get federalized and expect your ass to be grass. Not just soldiers standing around looking scary like with 2020's peaceful protests. And expect the media to cheerlead the "tough call" President Biden made in sending the troops in to crush the "far-right insurrection" and articles written about the victims of state brutality in terms like "man, if only he hadn't been brainwashed by [insert boogeyman of choice] and caused his own death".

Please...they never knew what they were doing in the first place.

https://reason.com/2020/12/09/im-not-sure-we-know-what-were-doing-says-a-newly-skeptical-california-lockdown-advocate/?utm_medium=email
https://archive.vn/PP0n9

He's only 9 months late in his realization. It's utterly shameful how slow the majority of society was to react to this bullshit. It took about 7-8 months before people started protesting in any numbers and defying the idiotic decrees. Even though when these orders started being passed out, there was already plenty of data suggesting this disease wasn't in fact ebolaids or whatever they keep trying to sell us. I still laugh at how LA County (or was it the city?) spent millions of their federal funds hiring PR firms to try and sell the threat of the virus to people. The first pandemic in history that needs to be marketed to people.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Yeah, I don't believe this woman's(?) story. Literally all 22 people got COVID the day after Thanksgiving? I think they're trying to get people to applaud them for doing their job again, like people did back in April.

That tweet was deleted but someone menaged to archive it. https://archive.vn/E7YaO

And Biden's 100 days mask update....what's next 200 days? One Youtuber posted that one on Styx's vlog a comment who was worth to share.

MMAFighter38
Biden begging everyone to wear a mask for 100 days will be as effective as Nancy Reagan’s ‘just say no’ campaign to deter drug abuse.

Edit: I saw this interesting article about lockdowns and masks. https://www.city-journal.org/lockdowns-more-about-faith-than-science

https://archive.vn/ybNhg

In 1349, as the Black Death ravaged Europe, a new pandemic-control strategy was adopted in cities across the continent. The protocol was precisely regulated by the experts. Three times a day, for a total of exactly eight hours, hundreds of men known as Flagellants would march in single file through town, wearing caps with a red cross and carrying scourges of knotted ropes studded with nails. “Using these whips,” one witness reported, “they beat and whipped their bare skin until their bodies were bruised and swollen and blood rained down, spattering the walls nearby.”

This specific strategy is no longer in favor among public health officials, but the spirit of the Flagellants lives on. Instead of beatdowns, today’s regulators favor lockdowns, which are less bloody but inflict more social pain. For all the talk about following science, the authorities—and much of the citizenry—can’t resist the primal intuition that a pandemic can be quelled only through public penance. Consider two strategies for dealing with the Covid-19 virus: urge the public to spend time outside in the sun to build up their vitamin D, and to take supplements of the vitamin, repeatedly demonstrated to protect against viral infection; or shut down most businesses, deprive children of classroom education, and order everyone to stay home, a strategy never previously tested and yet to prove effective.

Which strategy would you try first? If you chose the vitamin D, you have no future in the public-health establishment. While a few researchers are touting the vitamin’s potential and advocating government programs to distribute the supplements during the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control can’t bring itself even to suggest that people take the pills on their own. In its Covid-19 guidelines, the CDC declares that “there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of vitamin D.”

Somehow, though, the “insufficient data” problem disappeared when it came to lockdowns and mask mandates. Before the pandemic, the official expert consensus was against those measures, but the consensus was promptly discarded in the hope that these sacrifices might help. The evidence since then could easily be called insufficient, given the lack of randomized studies and the inconvenient data showing that places with lockdowns didn’t fare any better than the places without strict measures. And given what has emerged about the minuscule rate of transmission in outdoor settings, you could certainly say there’s insufficient evidence to order people to stay inside their homes or to mandate masks outdoors.

But whatever these lockdowns and mandates do or don’t accomplish in stopping viral spread, they definitely enable officials and citizens to demonstrate that they’re taking bold actions against Covid—and the more painful the measures, the more virtuous and heroic they feel. Whenever evidence emerges that the lockdowns are ineffective, the proponents have a ready answer: not enough people are following the rules. Stop sinning! Do your penance!

Going out for a walk or taking a vitamin D pill is just too easy. It entails no pain and provides no glory or power to public-health officials and politicians, so they rarely give this advice despite the evidence that vitamin D helps the immune system against viral infections. It’s not surprising that groups with disproportionately high rates of Covid mortality are also prone to vitamin D deficiency: African-Americans and other minorities, the obese, residents of nursing homes and other elderly people. Levels of vitamin D tend to decline with age, and because the vitamin is synthesized in the body by exposure to sunlight, people tend to have lower levels if they spend less time outdoors or have darker skin that absorbs less ultraviolet radiation from the sun.

As days shorten in the autumn, people’s vitamin D levels tend to decline because of less exposure to the sun, and that’s one explanation for why the flu season starts in October in northern Europe and the United States (whereas flu occurs throughout the year in tropical countries). To strengthen the immune system, researchers have repeatedly studied the effects of taking vitamin D supplements. After analyzing 25 such studies, the authors of a meta-analysis in the BMJ concluded in 2017 that the supplements do indeed help prevent colds, influenza, and other respiratory infections.

Would these supplements protect against Covid? Researchers in Chicago, Indonesia, Israel, and other places have found that people with vitamin D deficiency are disproportionately represented among people infected with Covid and among patients suffering from severe cases. In a randomized clinical trial in Spain, Covid patients who received doses of the vitamin were less likely than the control group to develop severe cases. “I consider it scientifically almost proven that high levels of vitamin D provide protection against severe COVID-19, but even more importantly there appears strong evidence that high vitamin D levels slow markedly virus circulation,” says Mikko Paunio, an epidemiologist and medical adviser in Finland’s Ministry of Social Affairs and Health. He says he has started taking a daily supplement of 4,000 IU.

 

[Aqua Panda]

This may sound like doomering, but IMO if the stimulus talks stall out again we are going to see a disaster unlike any before in North America. (The really scary shit is that these things may have to eventually happen since so many jobs won't be coming back.)

The mass evictions are going to be nuts. Most will hit after December 31 but others will start as soon as the 18th. We are talking a homelessness boom that is going to make 2008 blush. The housing markets won't outright crash thanks to all the quanatative easing, but inflation and real estate prices are likely to soar from individuals shoaring up assets. Aka home ownership is going to be out of reach for even more people.

We are also looking at actual stagflation. Everything is going to be more expensive. Basic costs like food, clothing, and utilities are already shooting up.

 

[FatalTater]

So My Grandma has some friends who caught Covid. One of them is already on oxygen due to health problems. Last night this lady could barely breathe even with her oxygen tanks. Her husband also has Covid and was having breathing issues as well. They both went to the ER. The Hospital gave both of them whatever stuff they gave Trump and sent them home.

So, did they send them home to die or is this shit just that damn effective?

When a friend of mine had it, the hospital put him on oxygen and blood thinners, kept him for a day or two and released him. He said it seemed like the nurses and doctors didn't really seem to know what to do with him. He wasn't sick enough for a ventilator but was still pretty bad, and all they could do was treat the symptoms and eyeball him to see if he was getting worse. It must be frustrating for medical staff to not have a magic wand with which to fix this.

This may sound like doomering, but IMO if the stimulus talks stall out again we are going to see a disaster unlike any before in North America. (The really scary shit is that these things may have to eventually happen since so many jobs won't be coming back.)

The mass evictions are going to be nuts. Most will hit after December 31 but others will start as soon as the 18th. We are talking a homelessness boom that is going to make 2008 blush. The housing markets won't outright crash thanks to all the quanatative easing, but inflation and real estate prices are likely to soar from individuals shoaring up assets. Aka home ownership is going to be out of reach for even more people.

We are also looking at actual stagflation. Everything is going to be more expensive. Basic costs like food, clothing, and utilities are already shooting up.

I really hope TPTB have a plan to keep big awful things from happening to the average people but after watching what was allowed to happen with the riots all summer I have no faith in our leaders.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

Just in case if she delete that tweet. https://archive.vn/NlUjL

Looks like she did. Her latest tweets are essentially refusing to address why she removed it while claiming it did not violate any rules, people are being mean online, everyone is ignoring the evidence, why won't people think of the healthworkers etc.

 

[Just wandering]

I'm wondering in many year from now how we will see the situation?

 

[Quijibo69]

I'm wondering in many year from now how we will see the situation?

Forever, have to bleed that rock dry.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

It largely depends on what home school options are available in a given area. In some locations, different parents may handle teaching on a rotation basis so everyone takes their turn and it doesn't require a full-time commitment. Other groups may have parents teach their strong subjects. for example, a CPA might teach hands-on accounting skills such as budgeting and the true cost of loans after including the interest. Still other groups will use certified teachers so that the parents can still work while the teachers handle the instruction.

For those in areas without homeschooling groups, though, it will be a lot tougher for parents to both support the family and make sure their kids are taught what they need to know.

We always called those group things Co-Ops. That seems like a much more functional way to handle things than the solo schooling...

 

[Ari Gold]

The court's really our only hope. And I am not keen on the judiciary. But this guy Chalfant ain't too bad.

California judge says L.A. officials 'arbitrarily' set outdoor dining ban

The judge's assessment found that the county failed to perform a required risk-benefit analysis about the restriction.

www.yahoo.com

SACRAMENTO — A judge on Tuesday dealt a rebuke to Los Angeles County public health officials racing to control Covid-19's spread, blocking an indefinite ban on outdoor dining announced late last month.

"By failing to weigh the benefits of an outdoor dining restriction against its costs, the County acted arbitrarily and its decision lacks a rational relationship to a legitimate end," wrote Los Angeles Superior Court Judge James C. Chalfant in a tentative ruling issued Tuesday to a legal challenge from the California Restaurant Association.

The tentative ruling to block the open-ended ban won't have immediate practical consequences for Los Angeles-area restaurants, as the county is now under a temporary stay-home order tied to the region's quickly diminishing ICU capacity. But it marks a symbolic and legal victory for those challenging the emergency powers flexed by state and local officials — and a rare setback for public health authorities facing a worsening crisis.

Save us... you prick lawyers!

 

[General Disarray]

All of this bullshit just caps off a slow change I've been noticing - first a few years ago seeing what used to be blue-collar after-work bars turning more "yuppie" and are now SocJus hangouts (or just closing down as the industry shuttered and the regulars aged out). Lately, one of my friends who used to be "punk" and edgy (wore a shirt that said Club Baby Seals on it while jamming back in the day) is now fully onboard with both SocJus and the masks - he even has a RAINBOW mask hanging from his rearview. Many such cases!

I may be a little Sheldon-like in my aversion to change, but fucking hell this is just too much. Everything has done a 180 on me (2020 really solidified this feeling) and I can't make heads or tails of the new social order, of which I seem to be near the bottom being a white Gen X female Trump supporter. I don't recognize my friends anymore (the precious few that I do have), and my acquaintance circle has drastically shrunk (there's literally nowhere to go even if I wanted to just to have a drink and bullshit around with non-PC people). I always have to watch what I say *insert assumption that what you said was racist when you never said anything about race. Using 'Section 8' and 'baboon' in the same sentence is enough to set someone off. It's a core component of some of my more exciting stories, dammit!

Big daddy government used to be the core target of punk's rebellion. It seems now that being a questioning conservative is the new "punk," but even more dangerous to express socially if you care about that kind of thing, which I increasingly do not.

 

[JosephStalin]

The court's really our only hope. And I am not keen on the judiciary. But this guy Chalfant ain't too bad.

California judge says L.A. officials 'arbitrarily' set outdoor dining ban

The judge's assessment found that the county failed to perform a required risk-benefit analysis about the restriction.

www.yahoo.com

Save us... you prick lawyers!

Looks like the Feds are finally getting off their ass.

Court Strikes Another Blow Against Covid Restrictions on Religious Services in California

Strict lockdowns on religious services are on life support as another California church successfully challenged coronavirus restrictions in court.

freebeacon.com

https://archive.vn/Iaxak

 

[Dave.]

 

[mdrop22]

Just in case if she delete that tweet. https://archive.vn/NlUjL

She already did, and posted some BS about running away cause everyone is getting too mean.





>gender nonconforming folx

I would not let this woman within 5 ft of myself, yet alone trust her to treat me medically. Jfc

 

[NoReturn]

All of this bullshit just caps off a slow change I've been noticing - first a few years ago seeing what used to be blue-collar after-work bars turning more "yuppie" and are now SocJus hangouts (or just closing down as the industry shuttered and the regulars aged out). Lately, one of my friends who used to be "punk" and edgy (wore a shirt that said Club Baby Seals on it while jamming back in the day) is now fully onboard with both SocJus and the masks - he even has a RAINBOW mask hanging from his rearview. Many such cases!

I may be a little Sheldon-like in my aversion to change, but fucking hell this is just too much. Everything has done a 180 on me (2020 really solidified this feeling) and I can't make heads or tails of the new social order, of which I seem to be near the bottom being a white Gen X female Trump supporter. I don't recognize my friends anymore (the precious few that I do have), and my acquaintance circle has drastically shrunk (there's literally nowhere to go even if I wanted to just to have a drink and bullshit around with non-PC people). I always have to watch what I say *insert assumption that what you said was racist when you never said anything about race. Using 'Section 8' and 'baboon' in the same sentence is enough to set someone off. It's a core component of some of my more exciting stories, dammit!

Big daddy government used to be the core target of punk's rebellion. It seems now that being a questioning conservative is the new "punk," but even more dangerous to express socially if you care about that kind of thing, which I increasingly do not.

You and me both, and probably several other people here as well. I don't mean to be dramatic, but it does all seem a bit Orwellian when people I haven't spoken to in a while come into conversations acting way more scared than they used to. Like there's an assumption that I believe something that I've never expressed to them.

 

[The Big O]

The fuckin' irony of it all. Andrew Cuomo as well as Charlie Baker both received the Edward M. Kennedy Institute Award for inspired *barf* leadership.

Yes. That Edward M. Kennedy. The one who drowned a 28-year-old woman in a car drive and got off lightly from it.

It's the award for Chappa-fucking-quiddick except with nursing home patient murder.

 

[Ari Gold]

You and me both, and probably several other people here as well. I don't mean to be dramatic, but it does all seem a bit Orwellian when people I haven't spoken to in a while come into conversations acting way more scared than they used to. Like there's an assumption that I believe something that I've never expressed to them.

Because you challenge the narrative. Once people notice that you are using your brain to analyze what you are being sold, people begin wondering what else you may be thinking. Maybe you're a closet racist....a sexist? a homophobe?.... a misogynist?... a capitalist?.... an actual patriot? Maybe you were one of the closet Trump supporters. OMG!

This may sound so trite. But this insanity all started with gamergate.

People thinking this garbage is intellectually rigorous in any form or fashion is utter shit:

Everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out.

-Anita Sarkeesian​

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian#cite_note-panel-78

quote begins at 32:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzcs4ti_bdI&feature=youtu.be

(I actually had to work to find this quote.... Me thinks someone doth not like this quote.)

Edit #1: Not to mention the psyops that occurred shortly after 911.

Edit #2: For all those that say 2020 be cray-cray. My university just announced that we are remote for the 1st month of school in 2021. And they are encouraging those that have left the community to stay the fuck away to stop the spread. Oh and commencement will be remote for those that achieved a graduate degree from this part of University in 2021. How nice. Making sure everyone is deprived of a normal existence is equity after all.

Edit #3: 15 days to slow the spread. Lying cocksuckers.

 

[NoReturn]

Because you challenge the narrative. Once people notice that you are using your brain to analyze what you are being sold, people begin wondering what else you may be thinking. Maybe you're a closet racist....a sexist? a homophobe?.... a misogynist?... a capitalist?.... an actual patriot? Maybe you were one of the closet Trump supporters. OMG!

This may sound so trite. But this insanity all started with gamergate.

People thinking this garbage is intellectually rigorous in any form or fashion is utter shit:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian#cite_note-panel-78

quote begins at 32:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzcs4ti_bdI&feature=youtu.be

(I actually had to work to find this quote.... Me thinks someone doth not like this quote.)

Edit: Not to mention the psyops that occurred shortly after 911.

No joke, most recently it was "secret TERF". Luckily the person it happened with is one of my closest friends so we talked it through just fine.

 

[Jarolleon]

It'll be different in the sense that the economy will fall off a cliff and civil disobedience will skyrocket.

Politicians and "experts" are way too optimistic about the idea of the public taking another 2020 up the ass when the vaccine they spent months hyping up arrives, more so when people with nothing left to lose get more agitated. If they were actually smart, they'd knock it down a notch next year before more people snap.

One one hand, we mostly put up with this shit because we're promised it's there to save us from the virus and a critical mass of people still believe that, which would start to unravel as they keep finding more and more excuses to extend it, on the other hand we still have income tax despite it being a temporary measure to fund World War One.