2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Meanwhile, in SCOTUS precedent...

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  1. There is no "we found more ballots and started counting them" in WI. After Polls Close on Nov3, no new ballots.
  2. Courts aren't supposed to decide election rules. COVID is not the excuse.
  3. Legislatures are who sets the rules. Not Judges, Governors, or other State Officials
In other words, everything Texas is claiming and the left is disputing.

>Oct 26 2020
 
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Gustav Schuchardt said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat#In_writings_on_France
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Classical Marxist elitism and condescension. I still wouldn't put much stock into Marx's views, especially since the French lost the war due to a combination of Napoleon III's incompetence and Prussian organizational superiority and tactical brilliance. Besides, this isn't going to be a true Marxist struggle. They've already got the apparatchiks and agitprop to whip the urban poor into a motivated and fanatical fighting force. The only thing they lack is a strong industrial base with which to prosecute the war, unlike the Roundheads or the Bolsheviks, but the difficulties of urban warfare versus rural fighting make it a lot easier to occupy rural areas, as opposed to trying to capture a densely populated urban area.
 
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soy_king said:
They've already got the apparatchiks and agitprop to whip the urban poor into a motivated and fanatical fighting force. The only thing they lack is a strong industrial base with which to prosecute the war, unlike the Roundheads or the Bolsheviks, but the difficulties of urban warfare versus rural fighting make it a lot easier to occupy rural areas, as opposed to trying to capture a densely populated urban area.
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You're forgetting that they also have the backing of sympathetic corporations, academics, lawyers, journoscum, and prosecutors.

As Massad Ayoob said, "courtroom survival is the second part of street survival".
 
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Meat Target said:
Translation, please? I can't read Marxobabble.
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Marx thought the lumpenproletariat were counter-revolutionary and unreliable but opposed to and opposed by the proletariat, aka the working class.
soy_king said:
Classical Marxist elitism and condescension. I still wouldn't put much stock into Marx's views, especially since the French lost the war due to a combination of Napoleon III's incompetence and Prussian organizational superiority and tactical brilliance. Besides, this isn't going to be a true Marxist struggle. They've already got the apparatchiks and agitprop to whip the urban poor into a motivated and fanatical fighting force. The only thing they lack is a strong industrial base with which to prosecute the war, unlike the Roundheads or the Bolsheviks, but the difficulties of urban warfare versus rural fighting make it a lot easier to occupy rural areas, as opposed to trying to capture a densely populated urban area.
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You're not wrong, I just thought it was ironic that the Democrats were relying on the lumpenproletariat while Trump seems to have the proletatriat sewn up.
 
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Meanwhile, in SCOTUS precedent...

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  1. There is no "we found more ballots and started counting them" in WI. After Polls Close on Nov3, no new ballots.
  2. Courts aren't supposed to decide election rules. COVID is not the excuse.
  3. Legislatures are who sets the rules. Not Judges, Governors, or other State Officials
In other words, everything Texas is claiming and the left is disputing.

>Oct 26 2020
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As if we needed more evidence of the left going all in during their revolution .
 
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soy_king said:
Classical Marxist elitism and condescension. I still wouldn't put much stock into Marx's views, especially since the French lost the war due to a combination of Napoleon III's incompetence and Prussian organizational superiority and tactical brilliance. Besides, this isn't going to be a true Marxist struggle. They've already got the apparatchiks and agitprop to whip the urban poor into a motivated and fanatical fighting force. The only thing they lack is a strong industrial base with which to prosecute the war, unlike the Roundheads or the Bolsheviks, but the difficulties of urban warfare versus rural fighting make it a lot easier to occupy rural areas, as opposed to trying to capture a densely populated urban area.
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Yes but there a lot of territory to hold. Thats going play in favor of the rural people.

An actual civil war isnt going be one side takes all.

Its going be one of disintegration. Neither side will win.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
Meanwhile, in SCOTUS precedent...

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  1. There is no "we found more ballots and started counting them" in WI. After Polls Close on Nov3, no new ballots.
  2. Courts aren't supposed to decide election rules. COVID is not the excuse.
  3. Legislatures are who sets the rules. Not Judges, Governors, or other State Officials
In other words, everything Texas is claiming and the left is disputing.

>Oct 26 2020
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How often is that cited by Texas?
 
soy_king said:
Not to rain on your fantasies that Red States would win a hypothetical civil war, but do you know who also had overwhelming support in rural areas against a side with support mostly from urban centers? The Whites in the Russian Civil War and Royalists in the English Civil War? I wonder how well holding all of the rural areas worked out for them.
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They might win, but people need to acknowledge that even with control of resources the opposition would just storm said states to try to jack them.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
Meanwhile, in SCOTUS precedent...

View attachment 1780415
  1. There is no "we found more ballots and started counting them" in WI. After Polls Close on Nov3, no new ballots.
  2. Courts aren't supposed to decide election rules. COVID is not the excuse.
  3. Legislatures are who sets the rules. Not Judges, Governors, or other State Officials
In other words, everything Texas is claiming and the left is disputing.

>Oct 26 2020
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Let the SCOTUS rule, the left riot, the Insurrection Act be invoked and the Feds pick up the leaders in minivans.
 
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Meat Target said:
You're forgetting that they also have the backing of sympathetic corporations, academics, lawyers, journoscum, and prosecutors.

As Massad Ayoob said, "courtroom survival is the second part of street survival".
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I would lump them into the apparatchik and agitprop class. Otherwise, when it comes to an actual war, individual members of those groups would be practically useless as fighters. The support of the corporations could be helpful as a way of financing mercenary involvement, but even then the corporations will flee as soon as shots start flying.
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Yes but there a lot of territory to hold. Thats going play in favor of the rural people.

An actual civil war isnt going be one side takes all.

Its going be one of disintegration. Neither side will win.
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Holding all that land wouldn't matter, they'd just need to hold key infrastructure for both rural and urban areas while the conventional war plays out. Once any large opposing force is absent from the field, they'd be able to commence mop up tactics against whatever rural partisans remain.

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There was the Chinese Civil War which involved the rural peasants versus the urban areas dominated by the nationalists.
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The vast majority of the Chinese cities were economically devastated from the Japanese occupation, and when they were functional in the 1930's, the KMT was destroying the Communists.
 
Gustav Schuchardt said:
Let the SCOTUS rule, the left riot, the Insurrection Act be invoked and the Feds pick up the leaders in minivans.
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Biden and his son are both faggot simps for the Chinese and I hope the SC gives it to Trump. Even if he is a retarded baby. A retarded baby is better than a Chinese puppet.
 
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soy_king said:
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Holding all that land wouldn't matter, they'd just need to hold key infrastructure for both rural and urban areas while the conventional war plays out. Once any large opposing force is absent from the field, they'd be able to commence mop up tactics against whatever rural partisans remain.

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I predict the right going figure the key to winning is destroy that key infrastructure.

As long the infrastructure stays up the cities and the left will survive.

No infrastructure means they lose.

Once again this would be a war of disintegration.

Its easier to destroy then rebuild.

No one wins.
 
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Moviebob’s take on the Texas case
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Wow, Movieblob got a law degree for Christmas. It seems like everyone is getting one.

I will reiterate that noone knows what will happen now that Texas has fast tracked it to the Supreme Court and anyone trying to tell you what will is bullshitting. This has never happened before.
 
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soy_king said:
Not to rain on your fantasies that Red States would win a hypothetical civil war, but do you know who also had overwhelming support in rural areas against a side with support mostly from urban centers? The Whites in the Russian Civil War and Royalists in the English Civil War? I wonder how well holding all of the rural areas worked out for them.
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The White's were also massive morons who couldn't work together to save their lives. Also completely different situations, completely different counties, different time periods and you might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Hell, different people. Modern American Diverse cities are not 1910s Russian cities are not English Civil War cities. How would they feed themselves?

I don't want a civil war, that's bad for everyone at the end of the day, but modern cities are enormously vulnerable from a logistics stand point.
 
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