Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[PurpleEater]

>pod rules
What exactly the fuck does this mean? I'm not caught up on the latest coof cant.

It's this exceptional new method of forming a COVID "pod" or close group of family & friends who all constantly update one another about their results, on-goings, etc. Pod rules = the process of informing each other of their whereabouts.

 

[Xarpho]

Honestly, there needs to be a thread for this insane mask cult going around where people (urban bugmen, mostly) had zero problems with concepts like mass transit (which relies on a lot of bodies to work properly) and other stuff until COVID-19, at which point they think that anyone without a mask indoors (even following rules like "getting a mask to wear to work") or even eating is a health & safety problem. I searched the titles for "mask" but couldn't find it.

 

[Local Fed]

It's this exceptional new method of forming a COVID "pod" or close group of family & friends who all constantly update one another about their results, on-goings, etc. Pod rules = the process of informing each other of their whereabouts.

They're so oversocialized that constantly posting pictures of their food on social media isn't enough; they now must become a super schizo reverse death cult, wearing masks and having a desire to hose people down with Purell like it's the civil rights era but way more retarded.

I can't tell if obsessing about not having the coof is preferable to the people who constantly post pouty faced pictures with vague captions about how depressed they are (there's probably a pretty big overlap with these things though).

 

[Bakarina]

Ah yes, the ever-moving goalposts:

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I keep hearing this refrain among the SJW crowd: once you get vaccinated, it's STILL NOT SAFE TO DO ANYTHING!!!1

Why would an individual take a vaccine if it doesn't protect against transmission? Like, that's the point of vaccines. Imagine if that was said about any other vaccine like the one for whooping cough. Chickenpox. Measles, polio, ect.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Why would an individual take a vaccine if it doesn't protect against transmission? Like, that's the point of vaccines. Imagine if that was said about any other vaccine like the one for whooping cough. Chickenpox. Measles, polio, ect.

Because they don't know what the SCIENCE says. Basically COVID-19 doesn't work like mundane, weak diseases like polio or smallpox, no, it's so bad and dangerous you can catch it multiple times because it's so lethal you will never develop antibodies against it and it will forever be a novel disease. Therefore when you vaccinate yourself against it you can still catch it and spread it you just won't get sick.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Mein neger. The rate of mild-but-unpleasant adverse effects is incredibly high for a vaccine.

That's an inappropriate comparison. The alternative to a COVID vaccine isn't some other vaccine.* The alternative is getting an endemic virus that has a 60% chance of causing symptomatic COVID. Which also causes fever and muscle pain and all that but much more often, can sometimes be debilitating for weeks, and occasionally results in death. That's the appropriate comparison--your choice is vaccine or vaccine-preventable disease. SARS-CoV-2 isn't going away. It isn't an abnormality or a blip. It's a normal part of the ecosystem. If you haven't gotten it yet you will some time in the next few years. Unless you live an eremitic lifestyle, it's a practical certainty. That is what you need to balance against the small chance of ouchies and I-don't-feel-good-mommy for 24-48 hours.

* Unless you are arguing that one of the other candidates is superior and we could achieve better health outcomes by binning Pfizer and adopting something else a few weeks later. That's a reasonable claim, though there would have to be a stark difference in adverse effects to make up for delaying a vaccination program.

They made that recommendation specifically because of these two nurses you dumbass. Are you even following the basics of the news about this?

No, I don't follow the news--I suffer a crippling lack of Gell-Man amnesia--and even if I did I wouldn't use a news article as a source for a scientific or regulatory issue. In this case, the news may or may not be correct. As a concession, I skimmed one article and it claims the MHRA had advised anyone with a "significant allergic reaction" not to receive the vaccine prior to the reported adverse events, though I'm not sure where that language came from and the timeline is a little murky (science reporters, amirite?). So I checked the MHRA site again and looked at archive.md for good measure. The patient information sheet said regarding allergies "talk to your doctor," and the initial healthcare information sheet said "appropriate medical treatment and supervision should always be readily available" (this is required anyway). So that talk probably would've ended with "we are prepared to treat an allergic reaction, you'll be fine." During the course of postmarketing surveillance they received reports of two or three allergic reactions and strengthened their recommendation to "should not receive," which is the current language. I don't know if that revision was in the works already and they were spurred into action, or if it was a precautionary principle thing, or if it was a new idea warranted by the postmarketing surveillance. In any case, they were apparently not using it off label, and I withdraw that claim. But nothing else. People's risk assessment is fucked and the appeal to nature is running rampant, as happens every time a new vaccine is introduced. This kind of thing was funny back in the oughts when two teenagers fainted getting their HPV shots and everyone decided they'd rather have genital warts. Hell, it was funny back when the vaccine trope-namer came onto the scene. And I guess I will laugh at people who get sick because they refused to get the ouchy COVID shot, too.

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

The latest bullshit from the county in which I live. Fuck Moreno, the evil sack of shit. Have to go to hospital (CHOMP) tomorrow for test. Will let you know how it goes. Everyone knows how I feel about getting this test. Am already pretty fucking disgusted.

Going to wear my "this mask is as useless as our governor" mask to medical appointment and then the hospital. Bet they're going to love that to death. For any of those assholes who say anything about the mask.

BREAKING NEWS FROM THE CARMEL PINE CONE

December 13, 2020, 2:00 p.m.


ICU CAPACITY STAYS WITHIN GOVERNOR'S LIMITS BUT COUNTY SHUTDOWN BEGINS TONIGHT ANYWAY

While Monterey County prepares for the latest shutdown order to go into effect at 10 p.m. tonight, limiting restaurants to takeout only, closing other businesses entirely and causing unknown numbers of layoffs, the latest data on ICU capacity at hospitals in Monterey County and in the Greater Bay Area show that Gov. Gavin Newsom's 15 percent threshold is still being met, which means today's shutdown would not be happening if health officer Dr. Ed Moreno hadn't decided earlier this week to act on his own.

According to the latest data from the California Department of Public Health, Monterey County has 18 unoccupied ICU beds among its four hospitals, while ICU availability in the Greater Bay Area region, of which Monterey County is a part, stands at 17.6 percent.

Three of the state's regions are below Newsom's 15 percent requirement and have been forced by the state to comply with the shutdown order. One of those regions, the San Joaquin Valley, has zero ICU availability, the CDPH said.

Our situation is much better, especially where hospital capacity is concerned. On Thursday, CHOMP said it had eight Covid-19 patients in its ICU, but that only four additional beds were being used to treat patients with other serious illnesses or injuries, which meant eight of the hospital's 20 ICU beds were empty. CHOMP also says it could increase ICU capacity to more than 20 if the need arose.

Those numbers are even more encouraging when you consider this week's data on coronavirus cases in the Peninsula. During the week, there were 1,286 new infections detected among Monterey County residents. Of those, 946 were in Salinas and the Salinas Valley, while 159 were in the Monterey Peninsula: 68 in Seaside, 44 in Marina, 29 in Monterey, six in Carmel area (93923), four each in Pacific Grove and Big Sur, two in Carmel Valley, one in Pebble Beach and none in Carmel-by-the-Sea. These numbers are totals over the past seven days.

Also on the good news front, Pfizer began shipping its newly approved coronavirus vaccine from a facility in Michigan this morning. We will probably have an update tomorrow about when the first doses will reach Monterey County.

Meanwhile, despite the rainy Sunday morning, locals and tourists have been bravely trying to enjoy a last restaurant meal before the shutdown goes into effect.

"It was pouring rain at 9:30 this morning, and one lady literally had a river running over her shoes and either didn’t know or care," reports Heidi Short of Coldwell Banker Realty, who provided a photo of the aquarium-like panorama outside her office on Ocean Avenue.

(Click to enlarge -- will open in your web browser)

If you're thinking of heading out for dinner, the good news is that the rain is supposed to end by this evening.

To see the most up-to-date charts and tables from the county health department, click here. Below, you can also find the updated versions of our charts showing coronavirus infections countywide and in the Monterey Peninsula, along with the data for hospitalizations and our chart breaking down Monterey County's coronavirus cases and infection rates by zip code. Check these charts and tables for the latest data on coronavirus cases in your community.

Speaking of our Governor...

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Just had this fucking lunacy cross my FB timeline:

Imagine being so fucking tone-deaf that in the middle of layoffs, in the middle of mass business closures, in the middle of depressed incomes, on the verge of a fucking housing crisis you have the nerve to call someone supporting local businesses and their employees "bourgeoisie"


Also lefty Freudian slip again. Reminder everyone that these people don't reserve terms like "bourgeoisie" and "counter-revolutionary" soley for the rich

 

[Smug Cat]

That's an inappropriate comparison. The alternative to a COVID vaccine isn't some other vaccine.* The alternative is getting an endemic virus that has a 60% chance of causing symptomatic COVID. Which also causes fever and muscle pain and all that but much more often, can sometimes be debilitating for weeks, and occasionally results in death. That's the appropriate comparison--your choice is vaccine or vaccine-preventable disease. SARS-CoV-2 isn't going away. It isn't an abnormality or a blip. It's a normal part of the ecosystem. If you haven't gotten it yet you will some time in the next few years. Unless you live an eremitic lifestyle, it's a practical certainty. That is what you need to balance against the small chance of ouchies and I-don't-feel-good-mommy for 24-48 hours.

* Unless you are arguing that one of the other candidates is superior and we could achieve better health outcomes by binning Pfizer and adopting something else a few weeks later. That's a reasonable claim, though there would have to be a stark difference in adverse effects to make up for delaying a vaccination program.

lol mad
My point was that you said there was a low chance of whatever mild side effect, and that was BS. There's a high chance of whatever mild side effect. The mild side effects aren't really the concern, though. The concern is all the potentially serious side effects lurking out there because this shit hasn't been tested properly. Although Dr Frog up there seems to think the high incidence of mild side effects indicates there's "something wrong" with the Pfizer shot, so maybe those do matter after all.
I would say the Oxford vaccine looks to be superior because at least it's not using a novel delivery method in addition to everything else. I'm still not taking it though. Insufficient testing. Feel free to shit yourself in rage about it or whatever.

No, I don't follow the news--I suffer a crippling lack of Gell-Man amnesia--and even if I did I wouldn't use a news article as a source for a scientific or regulatory issue. In this case, the news may or may not be correct. As a concession, I skimmed one article and it claims the MHRA had advised anyone with a "significant allergic reaction" not to receive the vaccine prior to the reported adverse events, though I'm not sure where that language came from and the timeline is a little murky (science reporters, amirite?). So I checked the MHRA site again and looked at archive.md for good measure. The patient information sheet said regarding allergies "talk to your doctor," and the initial healthcare information sheet said "appropriate medical treatment and supervision should always be readily available" (this is required anyway). So that talk probably would've ended with "we are prepared to treat an allergic reaction, you'll be fine." During the course of postmarketing surveillance they received reports of two or three allergic reactions and strengthened their recommendation to "should not receive," which is the current language. I don't know if that revision was in the works already and they were spurred into action, or if it was a precautionary principle thing, or if it was a new idea warranted by the postmarketing surveillance. In any case, they were apparently not using it off label, and I withdraw that claim. But nothing else. People's risk assessment is fucked and the appeal to nature is running rampant, as happens every time a new vaccine is introduced. This kind of thing was funny back in the oughts when two teenagers fainted getting their HPV shots and everyone decided they'd rather have genital warts. Hell, it was funny back when the vaccine trope-namer came onto the scene. And I guess I will laugh at people who get sick because they refused to get the ouchy COVID shot, too.

Not the mainstream media, numbnuts. The news. The actual objective information as it becomes available. What a retarded paragraph of "I'm too smart to be informed" defensiveness.

At least the Nazi is less of a fascist,

idk about that one tbh I think a legit Nazi is likely to be a pretty big fascist. I feel you on the general sentiment, though.

 

[Andre Richardson]

Ah yes, the ever-moving goalposts:
I keep hearing this refrain among the SJW crowd: once you get vaccinated, it's STILL NOT SAFE TO DO ANYTHING!!!1

-Vaccines work, everything can go back to normal
-Vaccines don’t do shit and we need to keep wearing masks along with lockdowns
Pick one, “experts”.

I don’t recall hearing “ITS NOT SAFE TO DO ANYTHING EVEN IF YOU GET A VACCINE” whenever we get flu shots.

 

[Dysnomia]

Huh, I always wear earbuds in stores so I haven’t heard these announcements. Are they happening everywhere?

Every store I've been into. Some are very frequent. I was in Wawa (an east coast convenience store) for maybe five minutes and heard them in English and Spanist twice each. Acme supermarket has an hourly reminder to the employees to start sanitizing. Not in private. It's over the speakers like they are telling everyone cans of peas are on sale. The whole store smells like bleach.

My advice is to stay away from Walmart if you have capacity restrictions in your area. Because you ain't getting in unless you are at the door bright and early. Don't even think about weekends. It really sucks for old people who can't stand for long periods. I didn't check to see if they had a sign saying morning hours were for the elderly and disabled. At the beginning of the pandemic many stores did.

But yes, here in Philly at least the announcements are constant. Some of the bodegas don't care if you wear a mask. And most of them around here have slot machines. So you have people hanging out all day playing. There's a lady who comes in every day to play and brings her son, who is about four, with her. Seriously?

Most of the grocery stores I've gone to make those announcements in between the generic music that plays.

I'm waiting for the inevitable non-stop vaccine announcements once it becomes widely available.

Is the vaccine going to be free even if you have no insurance? Because I assume they want us all to take it.

 

[wry wrangler]

Why is the lowest level of restrictions medium?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Why is the lowest level of restrictions medium?

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Tthat means they can define anything else as "low" and maintain restrictions indefinitely.

 

[Ari Gold]

I see no problems here either:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shouldn-t-fix-current-fraud-170108680.html

Edit: And don't forget that-

Our goal is to create a safe and engaging place for users to connect over interests and passions. In order to improve our community experience, we are temporarily suspending article commenting.
-Yahoo

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

Ah yes, the ever-moving goalposts:

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"His writing has appeared in The Village Voice, The Los Angeles Review of Books, Gawker, The Kenyon Review, The Rumpus, The Lambda Literary Review, and The Feminist Wire, and elsewhere, too. "
'pod' - fuck right off forever. That guy has blacked gay porn on the front page of his profiles and sites? What a creepy perv. "I'm a professional and serious person. Also heres me naked getting fucked by some random black guy I've never seen before and will never see again. I'm a serious person."

This is what a supposedly ultra-educated scientist retweets. "let me offer my professional opinion on {subject}" No, dude, you're a fucking retard. Stick to eating shit out of the asses of random black men in dark alleyways, leave the thinking to people who aren't entirely pozzed.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Ah yes, the ever-moving goalposts:

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>pod rules
What exactly the fuck does this mean? I'm not caught up on the latest coof cant.

It's this exceptional new method of forming a COVID "pod" or close group of family & friends who all constantly update one another about their results, on-goings, etc. Pod rules = the process of informing each other of their whereabouts.

They're so oversocialized that constantly posting pictures of their food on social media isn't enough; they now must become a super schizo reverse death cult, wearing masks and having a desire to hose people down with Purell like it's the civil rights era but way more retarded.

I can't tell if obsessing about not having the coof is preferable to the people who constantly post pouty faced pictures with vague captions about how depressed they are (there's probably a pretty big overlap with these things though).

Gives a new meaning to "stay in your pod and eat your bugs"

 

[JosephStalin]

Well, just got tested for this shit. Went to hospital, parked in a certain place, testing area in room (part of the building) fronting on the parking area. Gave name and date of birth, confirmed contact info. Went to testing area. Tester asked me if I'd been tested before, said if not for procedure I wouldn't have been tested, don't like to be complicit in sin. Was polite, told tester I have no gripe with her, just doing her job. My gripe is with those who forced my son and his family to move to Texas and forced our neighbors to move. Wore my "this mask is as useless as our governor" mask. Test quick, no pain, just some pressure.

Then headed to post office. I didn't stand quite six feet behind some bitch, she looked at me. Like I cared, just gave her the "don't fuck with me" look/body language. She looked again later, same response from me. Zero fucks given by the kid.

Some more sheepness in the news. I don't believe the "survey", believe far more than 15% of people will not take the vaccine. If they go to stickers five gets you ten you'll be able to buy such stickers on eBay real soon after they are initiated. I sure would buy one.

Wear a sticker saying you got the COVID-19 vaccine? The CDC says it could help

https://archive.vn/T3909

Added:

Added some more:

The Roots of the COVID-19 Pandemic

BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 1,847, December 14, 2020EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: There has been a notable shift in thinking on the genomic origin and direct source of the virus that sparked the COVID

besacenter.org

https://archive.vn/2CxdU

Added still more: (I'm trying my best, mods.)

The latest from the county I live in. These few thousand doses of vaccine are for a county numbering about 450,000 people. That's okay, they can take my vaccine and stick it up their asses, and they can go eat me, too.

SALINAS HOSPITAL EXPECTS FIRST VACCINE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, CHOMP HOPEFUL OF SAME

Monterey County hospitals should get the coronavirus vaccine late this week, officials told The Pine Cone today. Healthcare workers who treat coronavirus patients will be among the first to be inoculated.

Salinas Valley Memorial Healthcare System spokeswoman Karina Rusk said the Monterey County Health Department informed the hospital it will receive the vaccine directly from manufacturers, including Pfizer.

“We have been told to expect a vaccine later this week, which we are interpreting as Thursday — fingers crossed — or Friday,” Rusk told The Pine Cone Monday. “When those vaccines come in, we have a very strategic and streamlined plan to get our frontline, first-tier staff vaccinated.”

The Salinas hospital will use its large board room as a vaccination clinic. Hospital staff will get vaccinated on one side of the room, while the other side will be used as a post-vaccination observation area where recipients will wait 20 minutes to ensure they don’t have an adverse reaction to the medicine. Rusk said chief medical officer Dr. Allen Radner could be the first at the hospital to be vaccinated.

Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula spokeswoman Monica Sciuto said Monday that the Monterey facility will also receive the vaccine directly from Pfizer.

“We have not yet heard from the vendor on when it will arrive, but our hope is that it will arrive before the end of the week,” she told The Pine Cone.

County Health Officer Dr. Ed Moreno said last week that the county is expected to get 2,925 doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 4,700 doses of the Moderna version.


AS SHUTDOWN TAKES HOLD, PARTS OF COUNTY SEE MAJOR SURGE IN CASES

While the vaccine news is encouraging, Monterey County has a long way to go before the epidemic is under control here. Today's update from the health department shows 291 newly confirmed cases of infection among county residents, including 222 in Salinas and the Salinas Valley, but none in Big Sur, Carmel-by-the-Sea, Pebble Beach and Carmel Valley. Please see the "Cases by Zip Code" table below for the latest data from your community.

This morning the California Department of Public Health also updated its overview of the epidemic and hospitalizations not only in Monterey County, but in the Greater Bay Area region. In the region, 16.7 percent of ICU beds are available, the CDPH said, still narrowly above Gov. Gavin Newsom's 15 percent trigger for moving into the shutdown that took effect last night in this county after health officer Ed Moreno imposed it on his own initiative.

State data also show that 23 patients with Covid-19 are in ICU at the county's four hospitals, with 19 ICU beds unoccupied. One hospital, Salinas Valley Memorial, has experienced a major upsurge in coronavirus-infected patients. As of today, it has 36 such patients, an increase of 16 percent in just the last week. And CHOMP says it has 27 coronavirus-positive inpatients, including 11 in intensive care, with just three ICU beds available.

To see the most up-to-date charts and tables from the county health department, click here. Below, you can also find the updated versions of our charts showing coronavirus infections countywide and in the Monterey Peninsula, along with the data for hospitalizations and our chart breaking down Monterey County's coronavirus cases and infection rates by zip code.


We will continue to provide updates as events warrant. Please remember to read this week's edition of The Carmel Pine Cone, including our story about the reasons Moreno gave when he announced the new shutdown, and the Pebble Beach Co.'s decision immediately thereafter to close many of its facilities and furlough 900 workers. As restaurants face a suddenly bleak future, the Carmel City Council is considering new rules on outdoor dining, and a residents' group is making an issue about what it says are unsightly Christmas lights down the middle of Ocean Avenue. Also, state parks has closed all its campgrounds in the county but is urging everyone to use the parks during the daytime. Police made two felony arrests in town this week — one of them because a woman got a shocked expression on her face when she noticed a cop looking at her. Cal Am is suing the water district over environmental review of the takeover effort. A well known developer is trying to revive a 20-year-old Carmel Valley housing plan. A local senior home is reporting 11 more coronavirus cases. Sales tax receipts declined more than 50 percent from April to June, adding to Carmel’s budget woes. People whose houses were destroyed in last summer’s fires are facing a deadline for getting their properties cleaned up. And, of course, we have many other stories of local importance or interest.


Some Reason articles...

https://reason.com/2020/12/14/just-1-3-of-nyc-covid-cases-are-coming-from-restaurants-why-has-cuomo-banned-indoor-dining/?utm_medium=email

https://archive.vn/xSgxL

https://reason.com/2020/12/14/a-new-warning-that-international-pandemic-responses-are-eroding-freedom/?utm_medium=email

https://archive.vn/yUVys

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I know Reddit's stupid but there's an interesting thread from a doctor sub regarding how untested the vaccine is in regards to pregnancy, birth control, and future childbirth.

https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/kckm23/the_pfizer_covid19_vaccine_and_pregnancy_lactation/

The short version is, "We have absolutely no data on this because the big pharmaceutical companies won't test drugs on pregnant women."

Some screenshots because I can't figure out how to archive a full Reddit thread:

 

[Disheveled Human]

Due to the restrictions on living and movement in society I have not been sick with anything this year not even a minor cold or throat infection. This concerns me since I usually get sick at least once a year meaning my immune system is a bit out of shape. My guess is many people who get sick with even minor shit in the upcoming year are gonna feel extra sick since most people are not giving their immune system a workout.

 

[PurpleEater]

Due to the restrictions on living and movement in society I have not been sick with anything this year not even a minor cold or throat infection. This concerns me since I usually get sick at least once a year meaning my immune system is a bit out of shape. My guess is many people who get sick with even minor shit in the upcoming year are gonna feel extra sick since most people are not giving their immune system a workout.

Plus most of these people are terrified of working out and are probably eating mostly takeout, so yeah, they're in for a big surprise.