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And this is the big one, NO PROTESTS ALLOWED.
This is where government authorities and "experts" completely lost any credibility they might otherwise have had about lockdowns and why anyone who continues to listen to them as though they still have it are suckers. I mean look at this shit:

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These kind of mass gatherings are apparently not a significant risk factor for spreading this supposedly hIgHly cOnTagioUs and DEADLY virus, according to a bunch of doctors who should be stripped of their degrees and licenses. Also, since it was a cause seen as popular with their voter base, Democrat mayors who otherwise didn't blink an eye at economically crushing their constituents who owned or worked at small businesses saw no problem enabling and publicly endorsing this behavior. This isn't responsible stewardship of the power these elected officials wield in our communities, it's capricious tyranny.

COVID is clearly a serious virus that can be lethal to vulnerable people, but beyond that I don't see how anyone can claim any certainty that they know how best to address it given that they're receiving information from clowns like I linked to above. The general public is in a position of simply having to trust that the decisions made by our leaders are based upon reliable data and are for the greater good. But with what was allowed to happen over the summer, it is very clear that these decisions are instead based upon things like political triangulation and adherence to the religion of progressivism. Now we're seeing another round of lockdowns being instituted by these same people all while we're expected to accept that vaccines are safe and submit to whatever mandate that we receive them is handed down. We don't have to wait until some distant future era comes around for a dystopia to arise, we're already living in one and its hallmarks are a collapse in public trust and the banal incompetence and faith-driven cruelty of government at every level.
 
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Maybe I'm a fucking smoothbrain, but what's the point of the vaccine if you still have to distance and wear a mask? Why even bother if you're not in an at-risk group? I'm young, and pretty healthy, so I'm holding out on this thing as long as I possibly can. Anybody eager to get the vaccine, who isn't at-risk of the coof, is brainwashed, imo
 
Maybe I'm a fucking smoothbrain, but what's the point of the vaccine if you still have to distance and wear a mask? Why even bother if you're not in an at-risk group? I'm young, and pretty healthy, so I'm holding out on this thing as long as I possibly can. Anybody eager to get the vaccine, who isn't at-risk of the coof, is brainwashed, imo

Its a social control and solidarity thing. Commies are big on optics like that.

My workplace is in the first wave of vaccines and its been offered to all of us as the work we do is high risk. I haven't asked every single person but I only know 2 are getting it and a like ten no/maybes. Vaccine has been reconfirmed as voluntary, even for those who treat covid patients. For comparison not getting a flu vaccine is a firable offense.
 

Kelowna anti-mask protest leader has long profited off conspiracy theorists, rubbed shoulders with white nationalists

Protest leader's strange past

Colin Dacre - Dec 15, 2020 / 4:00 am | Story: 319195
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David Kevin Lindsay, organizer of Kelowna's anti-mask and anti-lockdown protests, speaking at a protest outside the Kelowna CBC earlier this year
When hundreds of people gather in Kelowna’s Stuart Park each week to protest COVID-19 restrictions, it’s a familiar group of faces who take the microphone.
But no face is more familiar than David Kevin Lindsay, the man who has been leading Kelowna’s anti-mask and anti-lockdown movement since its infancy.
While COVID-19 is less than a year old, this is familiar territory for Lindsay, who for decades previously made a name for himself within fringe groups by arguing that taxes are unconstitutional.
Lindsay has lost dozens of civil and criminal court cases and has been declared a vexatious litigant in B.C., meaning he cannot initiate a lawsuit without a judge’s permission. He has served prison time for failing to pay taxes.
Previously, he charged for access to his seminars on how to challenge tax law and at one time advertised himself as “Canada's foremost freedom expert on the secrets of laying criminal charges against government officials.”
It is a business model he had adopted to cater to COVID-19 conspiracies, charging $25 for an online seminar on Sunday where he promised to provide “today’s answer to the COVID-19 insanity.”
Lindsay was profiled in Meads vs. Meads, a 2012 ruling from the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench, which was an unprecedented 736-paragraph decision from a judge that has acted as a guide for courts across the country on how to deal with “Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments.”
The judgment lists Lindsay one of Canada’s top OPCA “gurus,” a prominent member of the OPCA community who sells their ideas in seminars or acts as an agent in court to make bogus arguments to avoid paying taxes, child support or paying speeding tickets. Lindsay, while not a lawyer, represented dozens of people in court making such arguments.
“This is a business where secret ‘cheat codes’ and ‘get out of jail free’ cards are marketed to a gullible, often conspiracy-driven, customer base,” wrote Donald Netolitzky, complex litigant management counsel for the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench, in the Alberta Law Review about OPCA gurus generally.
At an anti-mask and anti-lockdown event in the summer, Lindsay was introduced as appearing in court more than 300 times in seven provinces.
When he was hauled into court in 2008 after not filing a tax return in more than a decade, he tried to argue that Queen Elizabeth II did not correctly complete her coronation oath in 1953, resulting in a lack of constitutional authority in Canada’s Parliament and, as a result, the Income Tax Act.
He also unsuccessfully challenged the authority of the judge and demanded to cross examine him.
Lindsay was sentenced to 150 days in jail and fined $5,000. The BC Court of Appeal would lower the sentence to 30 days in jail while maintaining the fine. He tried to take the case to the Supreme Court of Canada, but the court refused to hear it.
He would serve 60 days in jail in December 2012 for failing to follow the ensuing court order requiring him to file his taxes for the years 1997-2001.
Lindsay has also attempted to argue in court that the relationship between the state and a person is a contract that can be opted out of and that an aspect of the 1931 Statute of Westminster meant all post-1931 government legislation and action is unauthorized.
When he was caught driving without a driver’s licence, without insurance, and without displaying proper licence plates in 2001, he tried to argue that King John’s Magna Carta of 1215 supersedes modern law.
Lindsay started his OPCA activities in the late 1990s in Manitoba, but eventually settled in the B.C. Interior where he became “ubiquitous” in the detaxer movement and founded his “Common Law Education And Rights” (CLEAR) Initiative."
Under that brand he has hosted and charged for entrance to seminars on how to “avoid being a natural person,” on how “all taxes are voluntary” and “how to file criminal charges when the police won’t.” COVID-19 is just the latest seminar topic for Lindsay under the CLEAR banner.
It’s under that same brand that Lindsay has spread pamphlets across the Okanagan containing misinformation related to COVID-19, held protests at news outlets and outside schools, and become the leader of weekly anti-lockdown rallies in Stuart Park.
The Kelowna RCMP says it issued the organizer of Saturday’s large downtown protest a $2,300 ticket. Longtime ally of Lindsay and white nationalist, Paul Fromm, identified Lindsay as the receiver of the penalty on his website Sunday night. Lindsay confirmed Monday he received the ticket, suggesting he will fight the penalty in court.
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White supremacist Paul Fromm at a Kelowna rally in August
Fromm has appeared at multiple of Lindsay’s rallies in Stuart Park, promoting them on his channels and attending early in the movement when they attracted just a few dozen people.
Lindsay’s association to Fromm is not new. Lindsay was one of many fringe characters who travelled to Quesnel to attend the 2015 trial of Arthur Topham, who was convicted of communicating online statements that wilfully promoted hatred against Jewish people.
Outside the Quesnel courthouse, Lindsay complained to Fromm in an interview about the routine searches of attendees carried out by sheriffs at the courthouse, falsely claiming they were illegal.
With several hundred people from across the B.C. Interior attending the last few Kelowna anti-lockdown rallies, the views of Fromm — one of the Canada's most prominent white nationalists — do not reflect the vast majority of attendees. But Lindsay has refused to answer questions on his relationship with Fromm.
"As you can see, there are a significant amount of angry people in relation to the COVID CON," said Lindsay in a lengthy email to Castanet that attacked the provincial statistics on COVID-19 as "completely false and misleading" while threatening additional protests at Castanet's Kelowna offices.
"For every person in attendance, there are many thousands not in attendance due to fear of losing their jobs and other public retribution and fear for their families. Canadians are living in fear of the state – that is not freedom – that is tyranny," Lindsay continued.
"What you should be focusing upon is the nature and accuracy of the information we possess (as do many others) that confirms that there is no pandemic," he said, while rejecting the term "conspiracy theorist."
Lindsay also refused to answer questions about whether he now files taxes, or if he will return to the detaxer movement when the pandemic ends.
Most of Lindsay’s speeches at anti-mask and anti-lockdown rallies remain focused on the pandemic rather than his previous legal adventures, but some of his followers remain under the impression that he is a lawyer.
“The man David Lindsay the head of C.L.E.A.R in Kelowna. Is a lawyer by the sounds of it a really good one,” said one of Saturday’s rally attendees, Marjorie Paulson, on Twitter. “A wealth of knowledge and information is on our side.”
While he may be very familiar with the inside of a courtroom, the BC Court of Appeal ruled in 2007 when it declared Lindsay a vexatious litigant “that almost all of the applications Mr. Lindsay has made on his own behalf have been without any merit and so found by the courts who have considered them.”

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The guy organizing mask and lockdown protests in central British Columbia is a sovereign citizen / legal lolcow.
 
So hypothetically lets say covid-21 is a thing and its more virulent too lets say 10% of untreated people would die regardless of age and health, what would be the red-pill take on that are you gonna comply or are you gonna rebel? Because In the event there is an actual deadly virus on the loose are you gonna run the same gambit?
I would not support government lockdowns or violations of civil rights. I would take personal measures to reduce risk/spread.
That's about the threshold where I'd support mandatory mask laws and some level of lockdowns, assuming that it was decisively proven that the disease was that dangerous and the initial containment efforts failed. I would also expect the government come up with a coherent plan for said lockdown and when it would end and that said lockdown would not be applied evenly because the town of Bumfuck, Wyoming doesn't need the same restrictions as New York City. Personally I would comply with contact tracing and I would expect most people to do the same, even if I wouldn't harass people over it and I would expect quarantines to be instituted. I would actually comply with mask laws, and I'd be a mask that actually worked like a respirator and not the retarded surgical masks which don't do shit, and I'd expect the government to properly communicate the effectiveness of masks and make sure respirator production was scaled up.

I would also do shit the government decided not to do, like ban air travel until consistent testing was available and then require anyone flying to wear a respirator and present proof of a negative test. As opposed to what they did where it's supposedly a deadly fucking pandemic but you can still hop on a plane to and from the hotspots (until the flights shut down from lack of demand), that was a joke. I would make sure sports leagues have a concrete plan to resume play as quickly as possible using mandatory testing and possibly isolation of players, because people need to keep morale up. On that same line, I would make sure mental health is as easy to access as possible. I would support small businesses more and expect the big businesses that need to stay open in some form support their employees much better than they did instead of the CEOs making obscene profits while their employees work in fear.

And this is the big one, NO PROTESTS ALLOWED. Since this is an actually dangerous disease, you don't get the right to peacefully protest unless you hold it socially distanced wearing the proper masking. Anyone who breaks the rules gets arrested and sent to a quarantine camp. Even if you have some inherently just cause like "black people should be allowed to get away with anything because muh slavery and muh Jim Crow" you still get sent to quarantine and can hang with the "muh freedom" types there.

See, the funny thing is that an actual pandemic is self-evident because there literally are bodies in streets and a constant fear that emerges naturally and not because the man on CNN told you to be scared. I made similar posts like this back in March in the "Lockdowns and Quarantines thread" that the idea of lockdowns and all sorts of restrictions isn't necessarily bad and I don't oppose it because "muh freedom", I oppose it because even with what we knew in March it was a massive overreaction and akin to evacuating a state because some weak-ass tropical storm that'll blow through in a few hours is hyped up to be a lethal Category 5 hurricane of death. Real pandemics don't have to be sold and marketed to the people.
Freedom > safety. You're describing some really draconian government measures that would assuredly not be managed well and you're not getting them rights back once you give them away.
 
CEO of Pfizer is not getting the vaccine (Archive)
He claims it's because he doesn't want to "cut in line," which is in no way bullshit corporatespeak. High-powered pharma CEOs are well-known for their selfish altruism and dedication to fairness, after all.

Safe and effective, everyone. Safe and effective. No doubt at all.
Trump and top officials are not getting it right away either.

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“People working in the White House should receive the vaccine somewhat later in the program, unless specifically necessary,” Trump said in a tweet. “I have asked that this adjustment be made. I am not scheduled to take the vaccine, but look forward to doing so at the appropriate time.”
 
So hypothetically lets say covid-21 is a thing and its more virulent too lets say 10% of untreated people would die regardless of age and health, what would be the red-pill take on that are you gonna comply or are you gonna rebel? Because In the event there is an actual deadly virus on the loose are you gonna run the same gambit?
If masking and lockdowns were necessary and effective at preventing or reducing the spread of such a disease, then I might comply, albeit reluctantly. Thing is, with covid-19, masking and lockdowns are basically proven to be unnecessary and ineffective at preventing the spread of the disease, and thus do not justify the economic damage and the infringement on rights. That said, lockdowns have never been about protecting public health but advancing private wealth, in increasing unemployment and destroying small businesses. There's a reason the stock markets are up like crazy and all the richest are making off like bandits during one of the biggest economic contractions in history.
 
Journalism may be a shit profession overall, but damn if it weren't something to see those FDA assholes get grilled over their faulty, unnecessary vaccine. Hell, I wasn't even aware that there was a swine flu scare back in the 70's (I only ever hear about the 2009 scare), but I'm not surprised. It's not like they want to make something like that well-known to the public just before getting everyone to line up for their jabs.

My policy is still the same: I'm gonna let everyone else get jabbed first before I get anywhere close to one of those needles, let them be the guinea pigs. If it turns out to be safe, hey, no problem. If not, then I didn't put myself at risk of complications over a disease with little chance of affecting me severely.
 
CEO of Pfizer is not getting the vaccine (Archive)
He claims it's because he doesn't want to "cut in line," which is in no way bullshit corporatespeak. High-powered pharma CEOs are well-known for their selfish altruism and dedication to fairness, after all.

Safe and effective, everyone. Safe and effective. No doubt at all.
>I don't want to uhh... *checks notes* cut in line
>just trust the science lol

If that isn't a red flag I don't know what is. It's literally one dose, I wouldn't begrudge him publicly taking a shot if he was confident in his own product, but the fact that he's taking a 'wait and see' approach to it tells me that I should as well.
 
>I don't want to uhh... *checks notes* cut in line
>just trust the science lol

If that isn't a red flag I don't know what is. It's literally one dose, I wouldn't begrudge him publicly taking a shot if he was confident in his own product, but the fact that he's taking a 'wait and see' approach to it tells me that I should as well.
I don't get why he won't just lie about it and claim he is getting the vaccine, especially given the widespread skepticism of it. The one dose that would go to him isn't going to make any difference; it's not like Pfizer isn't going to manufacture and distribute millions more.
 
Did the Terror Alert System get memory-holed?
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Because I still remember a solid 10 years there where every time you went to the airport you'd hear the "The terror alert level is currently... orange. Please report any suspicious behavior or unattended baggage." message on repeat.
It was never NOT orange. It was orange up until they quit playing the message.
My state's stupid color-coded "reopening" plan this spring reminded me of this bullshit. The "green" level still included restrictions. Like anybody's ever going to come out and officially say "okay, show's over, we're not using this system anymore"? No, we're just going to be at perpetual green until everyone forgets it exists.

Somehow, even though restrictions just went back to being strict this month, no counties were declared to go back to yellow or even red. 🤔

You ever sit down and wonder what possible reason they could have had for sending corona infected patients to nursing homes?

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Workaholic does not understand people who find meaning and enjoyment in their lives outside of work, finds them worthless. News at 11.
 
You ever sit down and wonder what possible reason they could have had for sending corona infected patients to nursing homes?

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That cunt wants to kill my dad! At least arm candy is safe for a few more years...

What gets me is, the people who advocate this sort of thing are often not more than a few years away from the arbitrary deadline they're trying to impose on everyone else. Do they not see that? Or is it just everyone else that has to die? And what's his solution, anyway? Mandatory euthanasia? Some other shit? At a time when more people are living longer, more fulfilling lives than at any point in human history, they want to dial everything back to a pre-industrial lifespan and kill everyone off after they retire. I guess that's one way to solve the pensions crisis.

Some people just hate that we're living better than we used to live.
 
That cunt wants to kill my dad! At least arm candy is safe for a few more years...

What gets me is, the people who advocate this sort of thing are often not more than a few years away from the arbitrary deadline they're trying to impose on everyone else. Do they not see that? Or is it just everyone else that has to die? And what's his solution, anyway? Mandatory euthanasia? Some other shit? At a time when more people are living longer, more fulfilling lives than at any point in human history, they want to dial everything back to a pre-industrial lifespan and kill everyone off after they retire. I guess that's one way to solve the pensions crisis.

Some people just hate that we're living better than we used to live.
There should be enough incidents of politicians breaking their own quarantine lockdowns to tell you that they have to intention of being treated like the plebs
 
What gets me is, the people who advocate this sort of thing are often not more than a few years away from the arbitrary deadline they're trying to impose on everyone else. Do they not see that? Or is it just everyone else that has to die?
He's still working, so therefore he is leading a very important and fulfilling life.
Not like those leeches who just worked so they could save money and eventually retire and spend their days grilling, puttering around in the garden, and spending time with their grandkids. Clearly their lives are meaningless, sad, and empty now that they no longer have to meet social obligations for money.
 
Freedom > safety. You're describing some really draconian government measures that would assuredly not be managed well and you're not getting them rights back once you give them away.
I mean it would be a 1/10 chance of dying and theoretically a disease like this would be like 1/5 for the elderly/children/vulnerable and maybe like 1/20 for healthy young people. That's more than twice as lethal as Spanish flu and over fifty times as lethal as COVID-19. Is society really fit to handle that? No matter what happens, truckloads of people will die (a pandemic like this would probably kill about 400-500 million people with 2020 population) and it's a matter of slowing the spread and waiting to see when a vaccine is ready. The disease itself would be world-changing, the world-changing part wouldn't be insane response to it.

Although I doubt governments could handle it too given the global response to COVID-19 is a mixture of headless chickens and a couple malevolent actors. But this is what a sane pandemic response would look like. I don't think it would be worth taking a risk with an actually dangerous disease. It's the difference between your taxes getting hiked, having to do extra shifts at work, and then being drafted and sent into the jungle/desert to fight wannabe world conquerers like Imperial Japan or the Nazis and the difference between the same thing happening but you're fighting some scrawny Asians or Arabs who just want you to leave them alone.
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Then why are we bothering to fight a disease which outside of AIDS patients and fatties is only lethal or severely dangerous in people over 75? Or maybe this guy is based enough to take us out of this nonsense by laughing at all the old people dropping dead or something?
 
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Ezekiel Emanuel
This goblin is 63 years old. We need to press his balls to the fire in 11 years to make sure he necks himself on schedule. Judging by how he has aged I'm guessing he's not exactly that the front of the line for rejuvenating foreskins and puree'd infant slurry injections, so maybe 75 will be enough for him. He should try telling that to nutsack-faced ghouls like George Soros or Hank Kissinger.


Boston health care workers dancing on the sidewalk to celebrate the arrival of the first covid-19 vaccine.
The positive replies to that post are deflating. People that dumb should not have a voice. Also, black music sure has degraded since rap/hip-hop took over, even once musically excellent R&B/soul are uniformly garbage nowadays.
 
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