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[Hongourable Madisha]

Reddit dump:

Troon proves that "non-binaries" existed by siting Wikipedia- the most creditable source known to man:
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"Risk permanent destructive changes to your body because of your confused feelings!".
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Remember, it's definitely not a fetish:
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All of those "non binary genders" were roles for gay men or (typically) lesbian or infertile women or people with DSDs. They're all in sexist societies that have strict roles for men and women and only barely tolerate these groups by calling them somehow not "real men" or "real women". In cultures with more equality between the sexes - something you'd think the SJWs would want - you're a man or a woman based on your sex however you express yourself, and people generally do the same things (eg the Apache didn't have this whole "two spirit" thing that the Dine did, because they were so often at war, and so men and women both had to learn how to do a lot of different jobs, like how in wartime now even if it's segregated, men in the armed forces everywhere have to know how to cook and sew and women have to know how to defend the home). Albania, Arabia and India had/have high rates of female infanticide and horrific abuse of women and girls because they're second class citizens, they're not models of progressive culture.
And even in societies that have these extra genders, they've never considered them something other than their actual sex. The Samoan prime minister even criticised the troon Laurel Hubbard for competing in women's powerlifting, he said "This fa'afafine or man should have never been allowed by the Pacific Games Council president to lift with the women. I was shocked when I first heard about it".
It's strange that it's the same people who rail against cultural appropriation doing this. I guess they pick and choose whatever fits their narrative.

 

[DoTheDrew]

All of those "non binary genders" were roles for gay men or (typically) lesbian or infertile women. They're all in sexist societies that have strict roles for men and women and only barely tolerate these groups by calling them somehow not "real men" or "real women". In cultures with more equality between the sexes - something you'd think the SJWs would want - you're a man or a woman based on your sex however you express yourself, and people generally do the same things (eg the Apache didn't have this whole "two spirit" thing that the Dine did, because they were so often at war, and so men and women both had to learn how to do a lot of different jobs, like how in wartime now even if it's segregated, men in the armed forces everywhere have to know how to cook and sew and women have to know how to defend the home). Albania, Arabia and India had/have high rates of female infanticide and horrific abuse of women and girls because they're second class citizens, they're not models of progressive culture.
And even in societies that have these extra genders, they've never considered them something other than their actual sex. The Samoan prime minister even criticised the troon Laurel Hubbard for competing in women's powerlifting, he said "This fa'afafine or man should have never been allowed by the Pacific Games Council president to lift with the women. I was shocked when I first heard about it".
It's strange that it's the same people who rail against cultural appropriation doing this. I guess they pick and choose whatever fits their narrative.

I think this point gets raised often, but that's what makes it so fucking frustrating even attempting to communicate with people with this mindset. They are so convinced that their cause is good and righteous that even the most profoundly racist, sexist, and homophobic ideas get excused, as long as it serves the cause - or rather, as long as it's the right person saying this shit. The whole "transwomen are women like black women are women"-trope is a particular pet peeve of mine. And yes, the whole two-spirit thing. And the appropriation of intersex conditions. And the re-writing of LGB history.... OK, I'll stop now before I have an aneurysm.

I guess if you're lying to yourself and everyone else from the moment you wake every day, casually lying about all this other stuff comes easy.

 

[KiwiFarms Username 632879]

There was a notorious "ex-gay conversion therapy" group called Exodus where two of the founders ended up eloping with each other.

Hallmark movie when

 

[OttoWest]

Ex gays are a thing in the Christian fundie world, yes.

And the Mormon community too, at least in my experience.

 

[Old Fart]

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Translation: Leah regrets transing like opening a bulging tin of tuna, but can't afford to detrans.

 

[don't mind me]

Nah we are just called gay men. No more, no less. They keep trying to make TEHMs happen, but it's not going to happen - even troons think it's lame.

The simple existence of the term TEHM is just more proof that TERF is intended for women only - and more specifically non-compliant lesbians.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

The simple existence of the term TEHM is just more proof that TERF is intended for women only - and more specifically non-compliant lesbians.

No, straight women too. JK Rowling isn’t a lesbian and neither are most women on mumsnet. And I’ve seen guys get called TERFs before — not to the same degree, sure, but men do get cancelled in certain circles for this.

 

[remiem]

The line about puberty blocking intrigued me so I did some internet research (I know, I know). Looks like puberty blockers are only supposed to be a first step, lasting 2 years tops, so if the person taking them starts at 14, they should be off by 16. It’s basically a way to “buy time”

So then I thought to myself, what would happen if a doctor just kept prescribing these things. Sure, someone could probably get away with delaying puberty up until 18-19 and still get away with it. Plenty of late-bloomers could attest to that, but what happens if you’re in these things till 30?
Well, short answer, no one knows. Long answer though is that there are several papers trying to extrapolate what would happen (most of which seem very neutral or pro-trans modifications). A few points brought up:

Bone density: yeah this has the potential of fucking you up as you age

Diabeties/Obesity/Kidney&liver issues: this comes from studies of post-menopausal women and older men with low T. The paper admits that this might not hold true for someone who has never entered puberty, but it’s something to keep an eye on.

Genitalia: obviously they wouldn’t develop, and there were talks about the organs going into atrophy. Not to mention the ability to reproduce. There was also a brief discussion that pre-pubescent genitalia are unsuited for many “bottom” surgeries. They didn’t go into too much detail about this except to say that there wouldn’t be enough skin, and I didn’t look any further!

Brain development: this is the one that blew me. The onset of puberty tends to correlate with a rise in executive functioning and generally getting a grown-ups brain. Now, they admit, no one is 100% sure if there’s even a connection there, but the idea the hormones would affect the brain isn’t out of the realm of logic. Long term use could trap individuals in child-like brains without the ability to gain higher functions of thought. There were a few studies trying to do cognitive tests on cis and trans kids but honestly they looked like shit.

A concern of mine that I didn’t see explored, Cancer: I am not a doctor, nor am I doctor adjacent. But I have noticed a Trend that, when a body has an organ it isn’t using, that organs gettin cancer. So, while (natural) late onset puberty correlates with a decreased instance in gonad cancer, I can’t help but wonder if long term blockers would instigate cancer in either the gonads or the pituitary. Again, this is pure conjecture on my part based on what little I know of medicine. Happy to be out in my place.

Mind you, none of this has happened or is happening. Everything I read spoke in hypotheticals. I couldn’t even find any animal studies though maybe someone with better PubMed skills could give a look. Just thought it would be an interesting look
I read a few write ups but this one is pretty complete and touches on all bases (has a huge ethics section too if you’re interested). https://jme.bmj.com/content/46/11/743

Imo. You don't need to break it down by looking at blockers and thinking, maybe it's bad? Consider that if you had a disease that stopped you from having a puberty it would be a major concern. It's a process you have to go through to become an adult. It's not a 'maybe' it's an absolute that blocking your puberty for a long time would not be wise because it will absolutely have a negative effect on the body. It's also been hypothesized that puberty has a window and that long term prevention of it means it will never happen, causing the person to be trapped in an underdeveloped but still aging body.

If a woman has a hormonal issue that makes her naturally have very high T, or vice versa. It's deemed a medical issue. This is one of the major problems with the trans lobby. It's stopping science from being as hard on the idea of transition through the use of drugs because they prevent the studies from occurring or shut them down when they find out, preventing the data from existing because deep down they all know it will not be good. Anything that puberty blockers do OR HRT do for a trans person in a healthy adult is considered a major issue biologically that needs to be addressed because it's a sign of sickness, bodily disfunction, and increases your chances of having other issues.

There's a reason that endocrinologists exist because hormones play such a huge role in human development and health. There's a reason we know high T, low T, high estrogen, low estrogen, are problems that need to be medically address, but for troons we're supposed to handwave the possibility of them absolutely causing harm to themselves. ( As an aside it's hilarious that healthline use people with penises and people with vulva for the High T articles because the type of person who is a 'person who has vulva' and has high T probably has it artificially induced. Women with High T would be aware it's a medical issue. )

Eventually something will happen, these aren't maybes and plenty of doctors and scientist are very much aware of that, and these studies that have been prevented will occur and the results from them will not be good.

 

[Whoever]

No, straight women too. JK Rowling isn’t a lesbian and neither are most women on mumsnet. And I’ve seen guys get called TERFs before — not to the same degree, sure, but men do get cancelled in certain circles for this.

I've seen people unironically call Putin a TERF.

 

[DoTheDrew]

The simple existence of the term TEHM is just more proof that TERF is intended for women only - and more specifically non-compliant lesbians.

No, straight women too. JK Rowling isn’t a lesbian and neither are most women on mumsnet. And I’ve seen guys get called TERFs before — not to the same degree, sure, but men do get cancelled in certain circles for this.

TERF, I think, is a catch-all for anyone who is not compliant with troon ideology. I've been called it and even if I am sympathetic to many feminist ideas and ideals, I am by no means one myself. And I think the primary reason TEHM isn't catching on is that it's primarily used by fujos against gay men, so it's a much smaller group that no-one really cares about.

 

[dappouROCK]

TERF, I think, is a catch-all for anyone who is not compliant with troon ideology. I've been called it and even if I am sympathetic to many feminist ideas and ideals, I am by no means one myself. And I think the primary reason TEHM isn't catching on is that it's primarily used by fujos against gay men, so it's a much smaller group that no-one really cares about.

It’s funny the amount of times I’ve been called a TERF but have had to explain that I’m male. Only to continue to be called a TERF, like they don’t know what the acronym even means.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

I've seen people unironically call Putin a TERF.

Insults are insults, the more they get used the broader their usage becomes. For these people there is nothing worse than a TERF so a long as someone is bad and (possibly) transphobic, TERF works.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

The line about puberty blocking intrigued me so I did some internet research (I know, I know). Looks like puberty blockers are only supposed to be a first step, lasting 2 years tops, so if the person taking them starts at 14, they should be off by 16. It’s basically a way to “buy time”

"Let's try it and find out" is generally not a good thing in medicine, but seems normal in the troonosphere.

The original indication for GnRH agonists was for precocious puberty, and patients would be pulled off of them as soon as they were the right age to undergo puberty. Despite only being on them for a short time, most of them wound up with osteopenia. GnRH agonists are also sometimes used for endometriosis, though this is rare in the US. I think it's more common in Europe. The reason why it's rare is because of the horrible side effects. Low libido, fatigue, depression, etc.

They're not exactly benign medications.

 

[Whoever]

TERF, I think, is a catch-all for anyone who is not compliant with troon ideology. I've been called it and even if I am sympathetic to many feminist ideas and ideals, I am by no means one myself. And I think the primary reason TEHM isn't catching on is that it's primarily used by fujos against gay men, so it's a much smaller group that no-one really cares about.

TEHM just looks like someone was angry-typing with caps lock on and misspelled "them", which to be fair is probably what the fujos are doing. At least TERF is catchy.

 

[DoTheDrew]

Insults are insults, the more they get used the broader their usage becomes. For these people there is nothing worse than a TERF so a long as someone is bad and (possibly) transphobic, TERF works.

...whereas for the rest of us, the word has become as meaningless as "transphobic".

"Let's try it and find out" is generally not a good thing in medicine, but seems normal in the troonosphere.

The original indication for GnRH agonists was for precocious puberty, and patients would be pulled off of them as soon as they were the right age to undergo puberty. Despite only being on them for a short time, most of them wound up with osteopenia. GnRH agonists are also sometimes used for endometriosis, though this is rare in the US. I think it's more common in Europe. The reason why it's rare is because of the horrible side effects. Low libido, fatigue, depression, etc.

They're not exactly benign medications.

Truthbomb - I have a female friend who was treated with GnRH or something similar, and she is still feeling the effects of it all this time after.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

"Let's try it and find out" is generally not a good thing in medicine, but seems normal in the troonosphere.

The original indication for GnRH agonists was for precocious puberty, and patients would be pulled off of them as soon as they were the right age to undergo puberty. Despite only being on them for a short time, most of them wound up with osteopenia. GnRH agonists are also sometimes used for endometriosis, though this is rare in the US. I think it's more common in Europe. The reason why it's rare is because of the horrible side effects. Low libido, fatigue, depression, etc.

They're not exactly benign medications.

Every troon drug in the US is used off label.
Normally the way it works with drugs is researchers have to do lots of studies, and then the FDA will sign off on it, and say yep, this is approved to treat x.
But sometimes doctors who are desperate will use random drugs for stuff they weren’t designed for, like when they started using AZT, a 60s cancer drug, off label (meaning not for its approved use) for AIDS.

However, drug companies are not allowed to promote drugs for off label uses. Companies that make atypical antipsychotics have gotten in trouble for that. But why is this good for the companies that make troon drugs? Because they can’t get in trouble for all the awful side effects.

AstraZeneca promoted AndroGel to middle aged men — an approved, on label use. Some of them had heart attacks and sued. Same with E for middle aged women, and the horrors of Lupron have been well documented here. Troons can’t do that! FTMs aren’t supposed to be taking AndroGel because it’s not an approved use, so it’s not the company’s problem. You could sue the individual doctor, maybe, but that’s not the same as a large class action suit against a wealthy drug company.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

You'd think if they were concerned about trans people they'd want proper oversight and transparency with these medicines and surgeries. Katelyn Burns, for all his faults, did an exposé on the lack of regulation on "gender affirming" surgery and the culture of malpractice victims being pressured not to talk about it because if they say it's not all sunshine and rainbows and exactly like the opposite sex's genitals then they're traitors to the cause or giving ammunition to transphobes or whatever. It's a weird situation where the "transphobes" seem to have their interests at heart more than half of the people on their side.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

No, straight women too. JK Rowling isn’t a lesbian and neither are most women on mumsnet. And I’ve seen guys get called TERFs before — not to the same degree, sure, but men do get cancelled in certain circles for this.

Though I do wonder about the specific nomenclature for gay men. I’ve seen plenty of “men can’t be feminist” nonsense out there and, while I agree, most TERFs would be straight just by numbers alone, I wonder if this nomenclature isn’t, for some, a way to label people who don’t want to sleep with them.

 

[NerdShamer]

Amy Petrelli really is a gift. Here he is calling Buck Angel a mong, which is surely worse than the ablelist language he and his fiance are constantly screeching about.
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Nice to see that Buck Angel is based.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

"Let's try it and find out" is generally not a good thing in medicine, but seems normal in the troonosphere.

The original indication for GnRH agonists was for precocious puberty, and patients would be pulled off of them as soon as they were the right age to undergo puberty. Despite only being on them for a short time, most of them wound up with osteopenia. GnRH agonists are also sometimes used for endometriosis, though this is rare in the US. I think it's more common in Europe. The reason why it's rare is because of the horrible side effects. Low libido, fatigue, depression, etc.

They're not exactly benign medications.

I work in the field and things like the Tuskegee experiments and the opioid crisis are forcibly kept fresh in our minds so we remember the price of breaking the ethics code.

Personally, I get the same damn vibe from this stuff. It’s not the same obviously, these medications received approval and so we’re tested through animal and human trials, but it still gives me the same damn vibe, prescribing things for people who don’t need them.