Lolcow Melinda Leigh Scott & Marshall Castersen - Sue-happy couple. Flat earth conspiracists. Pretending to be Jewish. Believe Kiwi Farms is protected by the Masonic Order. 0-6 on lawsuits. Marshall is dead.

How does debt collection for attorneys fees work in Virginia?
You'd first have to get them, such as through Rule 11 sanctions. To get Rule 11 sanctions, you have to move for them at the end of the trial. However, to move for them at the end of the trial, you have to give notice of the intent to claim them to the frivolous litigant, and then they have a safe harbor period to withdraw the frivolous claims. If you do get such a judgment, it's collected like any other federal judgment. You get a writ of execution under Rule 69. And then it's up to state law.

My guess is this absolute retard is as judgment-proof as Chris-Chan but hey, bitch might win the lottery some day.
 
How does debt collection for attorneys fees work in Virginia?
Firstly, the fees (which is what I assumed you meant by debt) you are trying to collect must be in exception to the "American Rule". While it usually only applies in federal courts, it can apply in federal jurisdiction too.
This Court reaffirmed the "American Rule" that each party in a lawsuit ordinarily shall bear its own attorney's fees unless there is express statutory authorization to the contrary.
Hensley v. Eckerhart, 461 U.S. 424 (1983) SCOTUS
In response Congress enacted 42 U.S. Code § 1988 which clarifies when you should receive attorney's fees
In any action or proceeding to enforce a provision of sections 1981, 1981a, 1982, 1983, 1985, and 1986 of this title, title IX of Public Law 92–318 [20 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.], the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 [42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.], the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 [42 U.S.C. 2000cc et seq.], title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 [42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.], or section 12361 of title 34, the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party, other than the United States, a reasonable attorney’s fee as part of the costs, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity such officer shall not be held liable for any costs, including attorney’s fees, unless such action was clearly in excess of such officer’s jurisdiction.
Another Supreme Court case made it even clearer (Hall v. Cole, 412 U.S. 1 (1973) )

Although the traditional American [Footnote 4] rule ordinarily disfavors the allowance of attorneys' fees in the absence of statutory [Footnote 5] or contractual authorization, [Footnote 6] federal courts, in the exercise of their equitable powers, may award attorneys' fees when the interests of justice so require. Indeed, the power to award such fees "is part of the original authority of the chancellor to do equity in a particular situation," Sprague v. Ticonic National Bank, 307 U. S. 161, 307 U. S. 166 (1939), and federal courts do not hesitate to exercise this inherent equitable power whenever "overriding considerations indicate the need for such a recovery."
Thus, it is unquestioned that a federal court may award counsel fees to a successful party when his opponent has acted "in bad faith, vexatiously, wantonly, or for oppressive reasons."
While I say that Mel clearly fits Hall v Cole, regardless you should consult your lawyer. In any case, provided she is not judgment proof, you should be entitled to Attorney's fees.
What are things people can do when they own debt?
Pay back the debt? But if you are looking to collect, hire a debt collector, I guess
 
Mel's an IFP Plaintiff though. And because she is a serial IFP filer the Court will likely award costs. However courts are less likely to impose Rule 11 sanctions and attorneys fees on IFP plaintiffs because they know that the IFP Plaintiff can't pay the award. And if they are sanctioned, it's unlikely that it would be enough to recover the full attorney fees.

It's likely that the court will enjoin Mel from filing under the IFP statute for a couple of years if they file any sanctions. They should have enjoined her from using IFP long ago.

 
There's nowhere in The Torah written a human being has to forgive another human being. No one can forgive another person's sin except Elohim.
When Jesus gave us the lord's prayer, a particular quote from it is "and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." (Matthew 6:12)

God does expect us to forgive others. To not forgive leads to evil and sin as the grudge festers, and even psychiatry studies demonstrate that ruminating about trespasses or previous slights has a negative effect on mental health.

The old testament repeatedly points out that man needs to "leave the issue for god to judge" in regards to conflicts. The new testament is more direct in this regard in that you need to forgive the person, and by forgiveness you leave the issue for God to address.
 
"Eye for eye" is on the *injury*, not the method of inflicting the injury (sin)

If person A does action B, resulting in injury C to person D, then person D retains the moral right to do C. But no "B". So if Jane kicks John in the shin and causes pain in his leg, then John can cause Jane physical pain of the same degree in some way.

A lot of people miss that. That's the *injury* that you are allowed to inflict back, not the sin.

So John can't kick Jane but he can cause her pain in a different manner? What material difference would that make? If John punches Jane in the abdomen instead of kicking her in the shin what is happening that is essentially different? That is nonsensical.

There is no evidence that ancient Israelite courts enforced Leviticus 24:19-20 literally. The consensus expert opinion is that the intention of Leviticus 24:19-20 is to communicate that matters of civil justice are to be adjudicated according to lex talionis and the punishment for injuring someone was monetary compensation.

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Source: Milgrom, Jacob. Leviticus 23-27: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary. The Anchor Bible, 2001, Doubleday, p.2120 (It starts at page 1896 and it looks like it is a few generations old and early word recognition has been applied to it. The word commensurate has become commemorate.)

Milgrom was an expert on Leviticus but his Hartley quote has me scratching my head. Why would raising personal injury from civil law to criminal law elevate the value of a citizen?

More eloquent than Hartley is Professor Clifford S. Fishman, a Jewish professor of law that has spent most of his working life at The Catholic University of America:

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Source: Clifford S. Fishman, "Old Testament Justice", 51 Cath. U. L. Rev. 405 (2002).

I just don't believe in "peace, love and harmony" bullshit that Ghandi promoted.

So what you have taken away from the Torah is that the ideal person is constantly seeking conflict, is misanthropic and malevolent?

Show me one place in The Torah that says humans can forgive another human's sin.

(HINT: Don't hold your breath, you won't find it)

You are impressively obtuse. No one said that the Torah states that humans can perform absolution. What was said was that anyone can choose to forgive someone that has hurt them by committing some act towards them which happens to be a sin. Also not every transgression or slight rises to the level of sin. The example of being cut-off on the road was offered to you. Surely you could have inferred from this that talk of forgiveness is not necessarily confined to sin. You can forgive someone that cuts you off rather than be resentful about it. That sort of forgiveness has nothing to do with propitiation.

People in other cultures don't display the level of narcissistic scapegoating that most of you English speaking people aim for. Anglos, so typical.

Inferring that members of KF are Anglo because they are English-speaking is a flawed inference.

Both of your family names are Anglo-Celtic, the one and only language you speak is American-English (and you do that badly) and your appearance is that of an Anglo-Celt.

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I knew that the rekieita stream would bring some new people. Welcome everyone!
Protip: any cites Melinda uses that include academia.com or similar are to her own poorly researched, uncited, pay to publish vanity papers.
Also please be advised that she doesn't follow any recognized form of judaism, choosing her own Melinda centric version instead.
 
I knew that the rekieita stream would bring some new people. Welcome everyone!
Protip: any cites Melinda uses that include academia.com or similar are to her own poorly researched, uncited, pay to publish vanity papers.
Also please be advised that she doesn't follow any recognized form of judaism, choosing her own Melinda centric version instead.
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Both of your family names are Anglo-Celtic, the one and only language you speak is American-English (and you do that badly) and your appearance is that of an Anglo-Celt.

William Scott, my greatX7 grandfather, showed up in Maryland (USA) in 1654. He was from Scotland, not English culture. Scottish people are an entirely different kind of white than people from England.

Secondly, a person's name is only given. A person's name does not embody the entire culture in which they have grown up in and identify with. I wasn't raised around Anglo culture, and I don't identify with it at all.

Also not every transgression or slight rises to the level of sin.

I already said that in the thread. Because, you know, the KF cult attempts to accuse me of sin, where there is none :cunningpepe:



You are impressively obtuse. No one said that the Torah states that humans can perform absolution. What was said was that anyone can choose to forgive someone that has hurt them by committing some act towards them which happens to be a sin. Also not every transgression or slight rises to the level of sin. The example of being cut-off on the road was offered to you. Surely you could have inferred from this that talk of forgiveness is not necessarily confined to sin. You can forgive someone that cuts you off rather than be resentful about it. That sort of forgiveness has nothing to do with propitiation.

Forgiveness is the pardon of one's sin. I wouldn't call "letting go of resentment" as "forgiveness". That falls more under the term of "emotional release". In the context of theology, "forgive" is usually meant to "pardon one's sin".


So what you have taken away from the Torah is that the ideal person is constantly seeking conflict, is misanthropic and malevolent?

No, what I have taken away from The Torah is that no one is entitled to a "peace, love and harmony" approach.


There is no evidence that ancient Israelite courts enforced Leviticus 24:19-20 literally. The consensus expert opinion is that the intention of Leviticus 24:19-20 is to communicate that matters of civil justice are to be adjudicated according to lex talionis and the punishment for injuring someone was monetary compensation.

I agree with that with regard to ancient Israelite courts


More eloquent than Hartley is Professor Clifford S. Fishman, a Jewish professor of law that has spent most of his working life at The Catholic University of America:

I disagree here that "eye for eye" does not have an intrapersonal application too. Usually the kind of people who come up with those opinions are people who have wronged others and don't want it back on their head.



There are several examples of righteous people getting revenge on a personal level. The brothers of Dinah got revenge on a Goy male for raping her (Gen. 34). When the Goyim took Samson's wife and gave her to another man, he lit their fields on fire, among other things (Judges 15). "Shimshon said to them, “I will certainly have my revenge on you for doing such a thing; but after I do, I’ll stop." (Judges 15:7). Saul commanded David to get revenge on the Goyim (1 Samuel 18:25).



I dunno, must be something about Goyim attacking Israelites. :cunningpepe:

So John can't kick Jane but he can cause her pain in a different manner? What material difference would that make? If John punches Jane in the abdomen instead of kicking her in the shin what is happening that is essentially different? That is nonsensical.

Not nonsensical at all. If someone causes an injury through sin, one cannot just commit the sin in return, that would be evil. But inflicting the *injury* would not be evil, it's eye for eye.





When Jesus gave us the lord's prayer, a particular quote from it is "and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." (Matthew 6:12)

God does expect us to forgive others. To not forgive leads to evil and sin as the grudge festers, and even psychiatry studies demonstrate that ruminating about trespasses or previous slights has a negative effect on mental health.

The old testament repeatedly points out that man needs to "leave the issue for god to judge" in regards to conflicts. The new testament is more direct in this regard in that you need to forgive the person, and by forgiveness you leave the issue for God to address.

It doesn't say "forgive us our trespasses....". It saya "forgive us OUR DEBTS". Why? Because the only thing a human can release ("forgive" if you want) another person from is their restitution debt (Numb. 5:5-8)

In every place that The Messiah speaks about what is translated in English as "forgiveness", it is always in the context of financial debts:






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Imagine being so failed, pathetic and empty that you brag about breastfeeding like it's some divine accomplishment, to boot, you do this at all hours in a forum where people come to laugh at you.
Even the most useless and dumb women can be known to breastfeed. Women in a fucking coma can breastfeed. It's just as much of an accomplishment as popping out 6 kids from a bunch of different men. Not impressive at all, even stupid women, hell mostly stupid women, can do this.

But not you of course, you're special and superior for it.

This from someone who has never breastfed. Doesn't mean much. You have no idea what you are talking about.

You sound like a bratty teenager who thinks they no better than adults who have actual life experience.


You're scared to even think of a situation where you might want to beg for forgiveness.

It's called self control. I don't put myself in that position to begin with


She expends a lot of effort rewriting and reinterpreting her "holy" book to justify her desire avoid repercussions and responsibility.

That's your hypothesis with unsupported FACTS


Also her hatred of goy and anglos, given she is both a goy, and undeniably an anglo, even if she wants to claim she wasn't raised one.

My father was an Ashkenazi Jew, born to an Ashkenazi mother. My mom was like something out of a white ghetto, wasn't Anglo at all.
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I did... and the COVID-19 delays make stuff late after I pay for it to arrive at a certain date



Citacion, please. I know for certain that, for example, in the case of Greer v. Moon, the pro se litigant did include case law into his complaint, and it hasn't been tossed yet

4th District says not to put it


I'd say the fact they even considered AI is proof positive that no man finds them a good candidate to help them continue their genes at all and they should probably not engage in it, as clearly there's something wrong with the woman. Like in your case, schizophrenia is hereditary, so your children are likely in trouble.

Why do you assume that a heterosexual woman who opts for AI is being rejected by men (and not the other way around: she is rejecting men)?

Also for the sake of argument, where exactly does it say that a pro-se litigant can't cite/insert case law into their complaint or any other filing?
It says it on the filing form. Usually in the alternate they give you a chance to brief the case.


I wonder if she thinks a man giving a woman complete control of a home is codependency as well.

Yes, it's still codependency, regardless of the gender doing it.
Sua Sponte.

It wasn't sua sponte. I wrote a letter objecting to the extension of time and requested they vacate the order, which they did. They then proceeded to rule on my Motion to Compel (denial, but they addressed it nontheless).
 
4th District says not to put it
Where? Please cite a law, rule, caselaw, etc.
hey @TamarYaelBatYah do you fuck your attorneys to sue @Null?
Are you gonna make some new erotica to get out of poverty?
She can't afford an attorney

New fillings! Null asks for vacation of order 17, partial stay in the case, protective order.

. I wrote a letter objecting to the extension of time and requested they vacate the order, which they did.
They never waived the motion to extend time, IIRC. Proof?
 

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Because the only thing a human can release ("forgive" if you want) another person from is their restitution debt (Numb. 5:5-8)
*Correction: the only thing a human can release another person from is financial debt (Numbers 5:5-8; Deut 15:1-2; Lev. 25:3-10/in the screenshot)

hey @TamarYaelBatYah do you fuck your attorneys to sue @Null?
Are you gonna make some new erotica to get out of poverty?

I don't have an attorney. I rely on my experience working for an attorney in the past, graduate level case law courses/work I did in undergrad school, previous pro-se experiences and some education I received in law school before I dropped out.

I think I'm doing fine so far. Next week will be an exciting filing week. Lots of good stuff to file! Looking forward to Monday!


Where? Please cite a law, rule, caselaw, etc.

It's on the form

"Do not give any legal arguments or cite cases or statutes"

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It's on the form

"Do not give any legal arguments or cite cases or statutes"
Mel, this is just sad. Yes, it asks you to not give arguments in statement of claim, not in the actual pleading.
It was put on the judge's desk without filing. It wasn't an official filing. I've already received confirmation that it was on the judge's desk and it was read.

Sorry to disappoint.
Proof?

Edit: New Filling by Null
 
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Both of your family names are Anglo-Celtic, the one and only language you speak is American-English (and you do that badly) and your appearance is that of an Anglo-Celt.
As a proud descendant of the Celtic clans of Éire I think I speak for all of us when I say, "We don't want this pig."
Also please be advised that she doesn't follow any recognized form of judaism, choosing her own Melinda centric version instead.
Part of the problem with "flavor of the month" religion-followers: they do a bit of research into the religion then say, "Yeah, I'm a devout follower!" She's not a Jew. My presence in the synagogue as a teenager with my friends makes me more of a Jew than she is.
Why do you assume that a heterosexual woman who opts for AI is being rejected by men (and not the other way around: she is rejecting men)?
If you've looked at your marriage history you'd know that a woman like you is just assumed by men--rightly, of course--to be worth nothing more than pushing out their spawn and getting their rocks off. They might give you the impression they give a shit about you but that's only to have a steady hole. The fact this has happened to you ten times now is proof-positive you need to lose access to those children, because--and I can't stress this enough--you will never be able to raise them properly. You won't fill them with any sense of self-worth. They will see the revolving door of men fucking you and your daughters will assume that is their lot in life, and your boys will assume that is how they will be expected to treat women. You are raising those children to fail in a very real, meaningful way that will be hard to undo, if not impossible.

Also if you look in a mirror hags like you who even consider AI are doing it because men have soundly rejected you as a potential life mate. Because you're an ugly person, inside and out.
It says it on the filing form. Usually in the alternate they give you a chance to brief the case.
I'm pretty sure that's for the initial filing for filing pro-se. Once you start briefing, you start citing case law. I believe your filings have done so, have they not?
 
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