Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Brain Power]

China, China, and more China, that's all they put on the news here now. Is the government getting chinese coof vaccines? Of course!

Covid-19: Gobierno confirma conversaciones con laboratorio chino para obtener nuevas vacunas

El ministro de Salud, Enrique Paris, confirmó que el Gobierno esta en conversaciones con un laboratorio chino para la obtención...

www.biobiochile.cl

Still not getting it.

 

[benutz]

Ever since the lockdowns began last March, he's done nothing but destroy all the goodwill his party's gathered since Brexit. Behind the curtain, I'm sure some of the higher ups have shaken him and yelled "What the fuck are you doing?!" as his regulations steadily turns the party radioactive.

Goodwill? Are you sure about that?

The rabid lefties I know just hate them more than ever. They actually see Bojo as a sort of bouffant buffoon counterpart to what Trump is - literally Hitler.

One man's good will is another's intent to go to war.

This is not partisan. This is not about politics in the narrower sense. These people are fucking playing us and boring bojo is but a mouthpiece. He's totally out of control. You can see the fucking fear in his eyes as he is told what to say, knowing that he will be the cunt that is lynched should the gen/pop ever catch up with him. He didn't sign on for this!

I see lots of people making party politics out of this. Go ahead. You might at well fiddle while Rome burns.

If this isn't a major life event that makes people wake up to the deeper more sinister machinations that control us all, well...

Do you think that Labor would have played it differently? Maybe imposed even more draconian Lockdowns, in fact?

This is why I stay out of politics for the most part - it allows me some perspective for major events like this.

There is always another way to spin it. Another angle to grind. This is just how this particular one plays out. But we ain't seen nothin' yet!

I'd be more worried about what is about to come, than any kind of point-scoring over red/blue, rep/dem kind of thinking.

Staying in office, being the majority party, all these things fade in to insignificance with the world we are all walking in to next year, in a few days time.

Have a very merry Xmas, and a fantastic New Year!

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

You realize Japan has no lockdowns, right?

Wait I thought Japan was one the nations who took this super-cereal guys and locked-down and "beat" the virus?

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Wait I thought Japan was one the nations who took this super-cereal guys and locked-down and "beat" the virus?

All of their restrictions were lifted in May.

You can take a wild guess as to why South Dakota is the plaguelands and Japan is not.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

All of their restrictions were lifted in May.

You can take a wild guess as to why South Dakota is the plaguelands and Japan is not.

South Dakota is dabbing on the rest of the country right now.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

South Dakota is dabbing on the rest of the country right now.

In terms of enjoying their freedom, yeah.
In terms of death % then they are between the middle and top states. But still a smaller % than California or New York, who went full authoritarian in a futile attempt to beat natural selection.

I mean its far from the fucking "plaguelands" the above poster described, but its far from a COVID-free paradise.
(Then again one would have to exist in the sanitized bubble of modern civilization to be so ignorant as to refer to COVID as a "plague")

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

In terms of enjoying their freedom, yeah.
In terms of death % then they are between the middle and top states. But still a smaller % than California or New York, who went full authoritarian in a futile attempt to beat natural selection.

Exactly. There seems to be no real relationship between lockdown severity and number of coronavirus deaths. I'd much rather go the route of taking precautions if you're of a vulnerable demographic, but live a normal life otherwise. But I did mean in terms of enjoying their freedom.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Exactly. There seems to be no real relationship between lockdown severity and number of coronavirus deaths. I'd much rather go the route of taking precautions if you're of a vulnerable demographic, but live a normal life otherwise. But I did mean in terms of enjoying their freedom.

yUo dOnT hAvE a RiGtH 2 b A dAnGeR 2 SoCiEtY! wEaR uR dAmN mAsK sHiTLoRd!11

 

[Vault Boy]

In terms of enjoying their freedom, yeah.
In terms of death % then they are between the middle and top states. But still a smaller % than California or New York, who went full authoritarian in a futile attempt to beat natural selection.

I mean its far from the fucking "plaguelands" the above poster described, but its far from a COVID-free paradise.
(Then again one would have to exist in the sanitized bubble of modern civilization to be so ignorant as to refer to COVID as a "plague")

Nowhere is a "COVID-free paradise", it's just that some places accept that a virus is part of nature. That's just one of life's shittier aspects, sometimes good people die before their time to any sort of disease or bug, and crippling ourselves in a vain attempt to contain that bit of nature will only make things worse in the long run.

It's not callousness, it's pragmatism. The only thing these lockdowns do is hasten the coming of the next depression.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1340507093904859136

1/ As of Friday afternoon, @CDCgov had already learned of 3,150 people who'd received the vaccine had already been "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, [or] required care from doctor or health care professional"...

2/ That figure supposedly represented about 1.5% of the 215,000 vaccine recipients. Not really, through. Vaccinations increased exponentially last week; on Friday alone, 127,000 people were vaccinated. Unless people had and reported adverse events IMMEDIATELY...

3/ The denominator is far lower than 215,000 (the numerator will have a lag too, but the other way). If the lag is one day, almost 4% of the first 88,000 recipients have had a serious adverse event - AFTER THE FIRST SHOT OF THE PFIZER VACCINE...

4/ Remember, the Moderna vaccine is worse, and the second shot is much worse. Also of note - hospitalizations or physicians' care are included here, but not broken out separately. They should be.

 

[teriyakiburns]

All of their restrictions were lifted in May.

You can take a wild guess as to why South Dakota is the plaguelands and Japan is not.

This Japan?

Japan COVID: 1,729,035 Cases and 18,375 Deaths - Worldometer

Japan Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

The Japan following nearly the same curve as the rest of the world?

Lockdowns make no difference.

 

[Stoneheart]

You realize Japan has no lockdowns, right?

they dont need to because of autism...

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

It's not callousness, it's pragmatism. The only thing these lockdowns do is hasten the coming of the next depression.

They also give grandma another few months of life alone in a nursing home with no one permitted to see her in person before she inevitably dies of a heart attack which is labeled as COVID. Or actually does get COVID and dies because once the disease is established in a place, it will keep flaring up again and again no matter how many lockdowns or mask mandates you impose. If the disease isn't established, you will need a literal police state to keep it from being established.

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https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1340507093904859136

I mean contracting COVID-19 usually also makes you "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, [or] required care from doctor or health care professional" because being sick really sucks. What's the definition being used here? I'd wager more than 4-5% of COVID-19 cases, even in healthy young people, probably also qualify as that definition.

Still looks pretty bad though, especially since they want to make this vaccine mandatory instead of just letting the healthy take their chances contracting COVID-19. In a herd immunity scenario nearly 40% of people can expect to never contract the disease in the early year or two when it will be most damaging to the body. Meanwhile the government wants 100% of people to contract the vaccine which has minimal testing, is already creating huge amounts of sick people, and the long-term side effects 6-9 months down the road are totally unknown (unlike COVID-19 where we do know what the long-term side effects are).

NOVAD-20 (Novel Vaccine Disease 2020) is looking pretty dangerous right now.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

What's the definition being used here?

Apparently from CDC slides here and attached:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1340572151569653760

CORRECTION: Per @wsj, the chart is in fact cumulative, not showing daily cases, so as of Friday 3150 people had reported events out of 112807 people registered on the system - a rate of 2.8%. Remember, the numerator will rise.

 

[Elysian]

London’s New Year’s Eve fireworks to be replaced by live TV show of 2020 highlights​

London’s New Year fireworks will be replaced by a live TV show featuring the highlights of the year, probably including Captain Tom Moore’s fundraising walk and the Black Lives Matter protests, it was revealed today.​

BBC One is to replace coverage of the annual midnight fireworks display on the Thames with a “unique broadcast moment” recalling some of the most uplifting or defining events of 2020 as the nation responded to the pandemic.
These could include the weekly clapping for NHS staff and other key workers. It is thought the programme could feature fireworks but there will be no public display on the Victoria Embankment, which traditionally attracts ticket-only crowds of 100,000. There will be a “message of hope” for the New Year.

Mayor Sadiq Khan decided earlier this year not to hold a public displayfor covid safety reasons, and the capital’s Tier 3 restrictions mean that pubs and restaurants cannot open as normal to revellers.

The Tube will not run through the night as normal either, and people are being urged not to gather in central London to prevent the virus spreading.

​

Former Army officer Captain Tom, who was later knighted for his efforts, raised £33m for charity by walking round his garden to mark his 100th birthday.
Mr Khan, who will not appear in the show, said: “The Covid-19 pandemic has meant we are not able to put on our world-famous public event on the banks of the Thames this year, but it’s important we reflect on and pay tribute to the defining moments of the year and look to 2021 with hope, and that’s why we are replacing it with a unique broadcast on BBC One.
“We know that New Year’s Eve is traditionally an opportunity to show off our great city to the rest of the world, which we will still be doing this year in a show you’ll only be able to watch from home, on the BBC. It will be a celebration of hope, but also provide a moment of reflection on the challenges of this year and the way Londoners pulled together.
“Tier 3 restrictions for London remain in place and infection rates are rising once again, which is why there is no public event this year. It’s vital we all continue to stick to the rules to reduce the spread of the virus and I urge Londoners to stay safe by seeing in the new year watching BBC One from the comfort of their home with those they live or are bubbled with.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-fireworks-nye-tv-montage-highlights-2020-b369274.html
https://archive.md/dNuGx

lmao as if 2020 had any highlights

 

[Slimy Time]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-fireworks-nye-tv-montage-highlights-2020-b369274.html
https://archive.md/dNuGx

lmao as if 2020 had any highlights

Did you enjoy being locked in your home? Here is more propaganda for you to consume.

 

[teriyakiburns]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-fireworks-nye-tv-montage-highlights-2020-b369274.html
https://archive.md/dNuGx

lmao as if 2020 had any highlights

London’s New Year fireworks will be replaced by a live TV show featuring the highlights of the year, probably including Captain Tom Moore’s fundraising walk and the Black Lives Matter protests, it was revealed today.

Stay in your pod and feel guilty for an American problem, you filthy oiks!

 

[eternal dog mongler]

This Japan?

Japan COVID: 1,729,035 Cases and 18,375 Deaths - Worldometer

Japan Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

The Japan following nearly the same curve as the rest of the world?

Lockdowns make no difference.

You realize that our daily deaths in the US are higher than Japan's total deaths right

Japan isn't some kind of horrifying authoritarian police state either. Singapore, China, Vietnam....yeah that shit wouldn't fly here for good reason.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1340588229309952000 (https://archive.vn/A0EZc)

 

[teriyakiburns]

You realize that our daily deaths in the US are higher than Japan's total deaths right

Japan isn't some kind of horrifying authoritarian police state either. Singapore, China, Vietnam....yeah that shit wouldn't fly here for good reason.

You realise that I said "they follow the same curve", yes?

Set aside absolute numbers for a moment and look at what is happening. With a very small number of exceptions, every country has shown a similar curve in the progression of this disease, with an initial peak that followed the widespread release, a break in the summer, and then a second, growing peak as winter rolled in again. The only outliers are countries that are either low population, isolated with easily controlled borders, so authoritarian in their response that Stalin would be worried, or lying. Sometimes several of these.

The absolute number of deaths isn't determined by lockdowns or social distancing, or any of that bullshit, but by the prevailing health of the population. It's not remotely a surprise that the US, with a large population of nutritionally deficient, pollution-sucking lardarses with poor impulse control, has higher absolute numbers than a place like Japan, which has far better healthcare, far better dietary behaviours, far lower incidences of respiratory illness, and far lower rates of obesity.

It's not a surprise that the UK, generally, has a higher number of deaths than many countries, because we suffer similar problems as the US.

It's not a surprise that the earliest horror stories came from northern Italy, which is populated almost entirely by fat geriatrics, with so many co-morbidities that they'd have been better off listing what wasn't wrong with them on their hospital charts.

Very nearly every country, no matter what their response to this has been, demonstrates a similar curve in the progression of infection and death. What that should tell you is that these policies are entirely ineffective. The few outliers that you may wish to point to are outliers for reasons other than the collective policy of lockdown and enforced isolation.