Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Greed]

A normal person might at least give a heads-up to the guy responsible for his $150k legal defense fund (and filling it). If he gave a fuck.

A simple text would have sufficed. Instead he just left it hanging, which would have potentially allowed Frog's detractors to accuse him of embezzling the funds. Some friend.

 

[X Pac Heat]

am i misremembering? i could have sworn that zack said there was a possibility of settlement or at least taking "the best possible outcome" like a year ago?

i always assumed after that this would end in settlement or something. there was no way waid was going to trial.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

am i misremembering? i could have sworn that zack said there was a possibility of settlement or at least taking "the best possible outcome" like a year ago?

i always assumed after that this would end in settlement or something. there was no way waid was going to trial.

I think that implied the case was so strong that Waid would settle, not that Zack would just decide to walk away because he has a whole bunch of money now.

 

[X Pac Heat]

I think that implied the case was so strong that Waid would settle, not that Zack would just decide to walk away because he has a whole bunch of money now.

my apologies, i wasnt aware we were privy to the specifics of whatever agreement they came to.

 

[Newman's Own]

Yeah, my goal was to make a space for non-SJWs to make comics unhindered. That's what I've been doing. That's my entire purpose and everything I care about.
Fuck you if you thought I meant what I said in the GoFundMe pitch.
Zack's goal was to punish Mark Waid for interfering with his publishing ambitions and send up a warning to others like him, so that Zack could do what he's been doing. I assume people donated to help him in that effort.
I said a lot of shit about holding Waid to account and going to trial but no one should have expected what I said to actually happen.
Your goals for ComicsGate aren't mine. Stop making your dissatisfaction my problem. Go make the changes you want, instead of criticizing the people who are taking that initiative for themselves.

Or, you know, it's not about the culture war at all and he doesn't need to be stopped because that takes to long.

Your "goals" change with the wind. I don't know how your followers manage the cognitive dissonance necessary to support you.

Narwal looks kind of bad but it is very kinetic

This is like saying Leifeld looks kind of bad but is very energetic.

And Narwal is no Leifeld. Narwal makes Leifeld look like a work horse and a technical draftsman. He should step up his game and put in a lot more effort per panel. Until then his stuff is very kinetic sloppy shit and deserving of ridicule.

No one needs to 'develop a taste for' lazy, simplistic shit that lacks proportion or attention to detail. He uses one line weight for everything ffs.

Yes Narwal's style is "kinetic" but aside from that it's pretty lousy. Maybe he needs to start spending some time on the page finishing his drawings or he should hire an inker to finish them for him. Narwal's finished work lacks the polish most layouts have let alone full pencils.

Laziness is not a "style".

Edit:

i always assumed after that this would end in settlement or something. there was no way waid was going to trial.

Check the GFM page. This was fund-raised specifically to go to trial. Waid didn't have the option of dropping the suit. That was Meyer's choice.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/back-ya-boi-zack

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Zack told me months ago that he was considering this. I didn't know it was happening, or happening this soon.

I never received any of the money from this Go Fund Me. It all went straight to him, so he'll make those decisions.

Blaming Ethan for someone else's lawsuit that didn't work out is peak EVS Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Analog Devolved]

my apologies, i wasnt aware we were privy to the specifics of whatever agreement they came to.

The whole lolsuit was and always has been an elaborate dog and pony show staged by Richard Meyer and @FROG to bilk their paypigs out of money to harass Waid and use the whole manufactured drama of the thing to sell comic books.

How many hours of content did Ethan get out of talking about the lolsuit? How many copies of Jawbreakers did Richard sell to piggies who bought into the whole charade and ordered his comics?

I knew this shit was a bunch of bologna from day one. Van Shits himself is one of the biggest PT Barnum hucksters on the planet and he has his fist firmly up Richard's ass using him as a marionette monkey.

Richard is not some kind of paragon. He's a fucking fag that got e-famous making fun of comics troons and a bunch of disaffected comics fans followed him off a cliff like lemmings.

I have said this many times that Comicsgate is retarded. Ethan stages shit, like when he was in secret cahoots with Mitch Breitweiser, and War Campaign, and when he was in cahoots with Nick Barruci and the Dynamite bullshit where little Nicky tried to make Anna TSWG the fuckslut face of Dynamite entertainment.

Ethan ran this nonsensical gofundme for Richard's "lawyers" when it was an elaborate scheme to sell books. He's unsurprisingly good friends with gayops king and dick pic afficiando Matthew "TUG" Lewis.

Ethan and Richard totally fucked over the Dunn Brothers, hard working Asian immigrants because they correctly dumped Richard after half their staff threatened to quit and they were warned what a toxic piece of shit he is by more people than just Mark Waid.

Blaming Ethan for someone else's lawsuit that didn't work out is peak EVS Derangement Syndrome.

The lawsuit was a farce to begin with. Ethan has already proven theres no low he won't stoop to in shilling comics.

I don't think anyone is blaming him for the lolsuit. It should never have been filed in the first place. It was completely financed by people who are too stupid to have money. If Ethan hadn't encouraged people to fund Richard's lawyers the whole thing would have ended ages ago or never happened.

The fans acting like chimps throwing poo while Ethan beats his chest like a retarded gorilla jeering them on is the same mechanics he used in the initial harassment campaign and the reason comicsgate is a hate group. Even you admitted on twitter that renfamous was targeted and harassed as part of a sales ploy to stir up the neckbeards into giving money.

Anyway do me like frosty the snowman and give me some top hats.

 

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Which charity will you choose to donate whatever's left? I predict he'll leave that up to you along with closing the campaign and all the other work involved.

If you think there's anything left you have literally never engaged in the legal system in the United States in your life. 146,000 for a 2 year federal lawsuit? He probably still owes tens of thousands of dollars beyond that.

Blaming Ethan for someone else's lawsuit that didn't work out is peak EVS Derangement Syndrome.

Like I said. Pick a personality to be the "leader" of a movement, then break the back of the movement over using that leader as a wedge. I don't know what SJW playbook this is written in -- possibly the Firewall one that Renfamous / Kwanzer's comany does -- but it's clearly a known tactic.

They were literally begging GamerGate to pick a leader back in the day. Hell, they tried to force us to use ETHAN RALPH as one. It got to the point that literally everyone used to claim to be the leader of GamerGate just to mock the concern trolls desperately swarming in trying to get us to declare one.

 

[Newman's Own]

Blaming Ethan for someone else's lawsuit that didn't work out is peak EVS Derangement Syndrome.

Yeah, Ethan had nothing to do with the lawsuit he talked Meyer into and then set up the GFM for telling everyone to donate so they could "beat the Ess-jay-dubbyas".

There's pathetic simping and then there's JDA levels of pathetic simping.

Even you admitted on twitter that renfamous was targeted and harassed as part of a sales ploy to stir up the neckbeards into giving money.

I wonder if JDA and Renfamous are still tight. JDA has aligned himself with just about everyone on all sides for and against CG whether they wanted him or not. He's like a booger that can't be flicked away. I wonder who he'll suck hole to next when Frog inevitably expels him from the fold again.

Who would even associate with JDA at this point?

 

[Absurdity]

Zack, our boy. Nothing left to prove, nothing left to say, and for those reasons and more he's running out of steam. So it's true he won't be able to talk about Waid again? Huge loss as a critic, which I firmly believe is his best trait. Good film critics don't have to be major filmmakers on their own but they do need to inspire a new appreciation for excellence. Richard did just that and he did it when comics were at their worst. He was, in my opinion, the perfect voice for tearing down the false economy of SJW virtue signaling and forced agendas. Genuinely funny commentary with enough attention to detail to bring it all together.

Being able to actually put a comic together was a plus, doing so in the face of complete adversity from legendary industry veterans was a defining moment that no one can ever take from him. A true warrior in the face of it all. But as his new heading takes him away from his main strengths, he's floundering. It's not just him either. The CGsphere, Scivergate, and the Pegwarmers in general have been so busy patting themselves on the back for getting published outside of the mainstream, they haven't been working nearly as hard developing better ideas in the traditions they're claiming to promote.

When PANdemIC was announced, it turned out YBZ wasn't beyond a cash grab. He repackaged what he thought his demographic wanted and sold it back to them. Not because he thought it was a cool idea, but because he thought it would be easy money. This is the comic book equivalent of what causes Mad cow disease. It's not the end of the world, but I gotta tell you that if this is the majority of what we have left to look forward to in Mr. Meyer's career, he should probably quit while he's somewhat ahead.

And despite everything I've seen Ethan trying to disguise it, his market-driven tard-wrangling is also going to run out of gas. Cecil may be the current red-nosed reject pulling Sciver's hype train. but the forced laughter is becoming a regular occurrence and fewer people are laughing along with him.

Merry Christmas!

 

[Rupin]

Yeah, Ethan had nothing to do with the lawsuit he talked Meyer into and then set up the GFM for telling everyone to donate so they could "beat the Ess-jay-dubbyas".

There's pathetic simping and then there's JDA levels of pathetic simping.


I wonder if JDA and Renfamous are still tight. JDA has aligned himself with just about everyone on all sides for and against CG whether they wanted him or not. He's like a booger that can't be flicked away. I wonder who he'll suck hole to next when Frog inevitably expels him from the fold again.

Who would even associate with JDA at this point?

Nasser seems pretty buddy buddy with him.

 

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Yeah, Ethan had nothing to do with the lawsuit he talked Meyer into and then set up the GFM for telling everyone to donate so they could "beat the Ess-jay-dubbyas".

That's amazing, I had no idea the discussion between Ethan and Meyer was public. Where did you hear this conversation where EVS talked Meyer into suing?

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

If you think there's anything left you have literally never engaged in the legal system in the United States in your life. 146,000 for a 2 year federal lawsuit? He probably still owes tens of thousands of dollars beyond that.

It's not my guess. In the announcement Zack says the leftover money will go to charity. Didn't you post the estimated $3k/mo number? That's over fours years of funding in-hand.

If he ran out of money that would've helped this go over better. He could've said "The legal fund is empty and it's not right to go back to the well for more of your donations during COVID given Waid's delay tactics." That would've been a lot better than just blaming COVID and wanting to get on with his life.

 

[jspit2.0]

Alright.

Lots of words today, including a fair number of people white knighting for Richard *cough* Meyers.

I've done my cow reports on CG, updating people for awhile. Let's interject some facts.

1. Richard's been hinting at this for awhile. I've continually reported that Richard was sounding broken. Worn out. Not by a lawsuit, but by E-thoting itself. He's already announced he wants to quit drama whoring for snore vids ala Keyfabe. He's done this before, but still. Anyone whose kept up would hear it in his voice. I expressed my own frustration in coming to terms with the fact that a man who has been given everything he claims to want and chose to do this now resents it.

2. Lots of lawsuit is expensive talk, let's just cap that because it does not sound like that's the reason. That's a big reason I asked for the Ethan stream and Rackets. To, y'know, actually listen to the two money managers. Money apparently was not the driving force. Ethan on Rackets even hinted that it wasn't about money. Smug Frieza briefly interjected to point out the insane amount of cash Richard has received for this case how that should go. I would add this, does anyone think he wouldn't have gotten more if he said he needed it?

3. This is a cow thread, sales people! Although Edwin's assessment might hit close to home, we Kiwis mostly like(d) Richard for the period leading into this lawsuit. I'm certain a number donated to him and have rooted for him. Even now, he's got a fair amount of good will. I stand behind my criticisms and points. But at this point, I think we should move on to the fallout. We have WCers making shoddy memes, Ethan & company coping hard, and a seething Liam stream that is golden. I ask all of you, don't let the hard work of these noble beasts be left unmarked.

 

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It's not my guess. In the announcement Zack says the leftover money will go to charity. Didn't you post the estimated $3k/mo number? That's over fours years of funding in-hand.

If he ran out of money that would've helped this go over better. He could've said "The legal fund is empty and it's not right to go back to the well for more of your donations during COVID given Waid's delay tactics." That would've been a lot better than just blaming COVID and wanting to get on with his life.

No, that was not an estimate. That was just a random number. I believe someone said on a stream that the goal was 3k a month on patreon to pay for the lawsuit, but who knows?

Has he made a public statement on this yet? I know Waid made one, and the court made one. So we don't know anything about the finances et all, or the reasonings behind what he did.

 

[Newman's Own]

Has he made a public statement on this yet?

Yes, it's on this thread and on the Rich vs Mark thread.

Have a look.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Has he made a public statement on this yet? I know Waid made one, and the court made one. So we don't know anything about the finances et all, or the reasonings behind what he did.

From BleedingCool:

"As part of the deal, both Mark Waid and Richard Meyer have signed NDAs. I did ask them both what might happen to any crowdfunded money that was not spent on legal fees. Waid told me "All the crowdfunding money on my end has been spent on legal fees." While Meyer told me he "after the final invoice is generated by my lawyers, they will cut me a check for the remainder, and that will be given to charities"."

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/crowdfunded-legal-funds-richard-meyer-mark-waid/

So there's still money left over and he could've raised a lot more had he wanted.

 

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Yes, it's on this thread and on the Rich vs Mark thread.

Have a look.

I looked in both threads. Didn't see it. Where is it?

Edit:

This?

That's not exactly a statement.

From BleedingCool:

"As part of the deal, both Mark Waid and Richard Meyer have signed NDAs. I did ask them both what might happen to any crowdfunded money that was not spent on legal fees. Waid told me "All the crowdfunding money on my end has been spent on legal fees." While Meyer told me he "after the final invoice is generated by my lawyers, they will cut me a check for the remainder, and that will be given to charities"."

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/crowdfunded-legal-funds-richard-meyer-mark-waid/

So there's still money left over and he could've raised a lot more had he wanted.

We'll see. I doubt there was that much, if any.

But no, since it's been two months since anyone's donated, and he literally mentions it in every video he puts out, he probably couldn't have raised "a lot more" if he wanted to. And who would ask people during COVID to donate to a legal fund to smack that fat sack of shit Waid around?

And again, I'm glad everyone who kicked $5 into the pot in 2018 expected him to completely rearrange his life for the next 5-10 years to fight some fat fucking manbabby and his sleazy fuckstick lawyers screwing with the legal system to avoid having to face any consequences, but after the first year without any actual days in court, this was probably inevitable.

Meyer's doing good and Waid was currently promoted to captain of the Titanic. I'm happy enough with this outcome.

 

[Newman's Own]

That's not exactly a statement.

A statement is precisely what that is. I'm not sure what else you think it is.



Anyway, it appears that @Mecha and Preston have parted ways and now the big McCheese has to find new benefactors to help make sure his shoes are tied.

Having proven himself relatively worthless it appears Mecha is looking for a new home in the lowest place he could find. https://twitter.com/MccheeseMecha/status/1341668767231700994

I don't know if it's to soon for congratulations, McDoofy, but I think you've finally found your level so good for you buddy.

 

[SargonF00t]

Like I said. Pick a personality to be the "leader" of a movement, then break the back of the movement over using that leader as a wedge. I don't know what SJW playbook this is written in -- possibly the Firewall one that Renfamous / Kwanzer's comany does -- but it's clearly a known tactic.

They were literally begging GamerGate to pick a leader back in the day. Hell, they tried to force us to use ETHAN RALPH as one. It got to the point that literally everyone used to claim to be the leader of GamerGate just to mock the concern trolls desperately swarming in trying to get us to declare one.

I think Ethan Ralph should be declared the leader of Comics Gate.

He has the single most important trait for the role and that is to have a christian name of "Ethan".