World Economic Forum Megathread (The Great Reset)

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

They are lot of hype of pilotless self driving car in the silicon valley hype. But I doubt the technology will go over of pipe dream, why?
Small modification on stop sign can confuse the AI in dangerous way
Recognition program actually only make comparaison statistic, they don't understand what they see that why they use the sheep label more in expectation than reality
Computer can only get better at computing we can't really make understand abstract stuff. It can only associate X with Y via mathematical calculus. And even with all this silicon ship have a limit in their size. I expect an AI winter soon. When the mask will fall of and all this little circus will end with broken expectation

Exactly what I mean. There are a lot of problems now and it won't work, but in 15-20 years? Look at what passed for modern tech back in 2000-2005, it was considered novel to have any sort of fancy screen in your car and GPS was just becoming widespread, let alone an internet connection in your car. I'm aware of the limitations on chip sizes, but we haven't even hit the bottom yet in terms of how much we can miniaturize a powerful computer. Not to mention you might not even have to miniaturize it much. A car's self-driving system could merely be a backup being directed from a centralized network of self-driving systems around the country and world, like cell phone towers but they're facilities and towers for supercomputers responsible for directing traffic.

As for recognition technology, just look at facial recognition these days, everyone wearing a mask is no doubt being used to improve the system to make it so you'll never be able to hide again. And the other issue I always hear about with the trolley problem (your car might be forced to kill someone to protect you), would it really matter in practice when auto manufacturers and no doubt these tech companies can utterly destroy any lawyer you send at them and if they can't they'll just drag out litigation for years and bankrupt you? If mature self-driving technology is causing accidents and fatalities to drop significantly year after year (which it would), then insurance and their politician goons is going to latch onto it and make sure EVERYONE has it.

Now I LIKE the idea of self-driving cars since there's a lot of people who shouldn't be driving (and who wouldn't want to take a nap on the way to work?) and theoretically it would reduce car wrecks and deaths and save a ton of lives and property. But it's indisputable that they go right along with the "you will own nothing and be happy" agenda that's been set and like all this awesome technology we have nowadays or will have soon is inevitably going to be used by the powerful to tighten their grip around our throats.

 

[Hamsteroid]

Now I LIKE the idea of self-driving cars since there's a lot of people who shouldn't be driving (and who wouldn't want to take a nap on the way to work?) and theoretically it would reduce car wrecks and deaths and save a ton of lives and property.

That could (mostly) be achieved by a proper public transit system - no need for selfdriving cars imho.

According to Wikipedia,

The injury and death rate for public transit is roughly one-tenth that of automobile travel. A 2014 study noted that "residents of transit-oriented communities have about one-fifth the per capita crash casualty rate as in automobile-oriented communities" and that "Transit also tends to have lower overall crime rates than automobile travel, and transit improvements can help reduce overall crime risk by improving surveillance and economic opportunities for at-risk populations."

tl;dr Public transit is safer overall than traveling by car and gives you the opportunity to nap on your way to work.

 

[Miller]

The "give up private property forever" part sounds a little too convenient and tinfoil-y for me. How are they going to force you to give up private property?

By raising taxes and making sure that people can't get a loan anymore.

 

[General Disarray]

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Cowards.

Not only that, but they turned off the like/dislike ratios now.

Had my interview yesterday and checked my application status. At least I rank #1 in the testing (the site shows you that when you log in). I have another interview next Monday, the final one before decision time. I should be happy. Over the moon, even. Nope, I wake up this morning in tears. For no reason I can think of.

There's only so many meals one can cook and loaves of bread one can bake; there's only so many websites to visit and things to do alone that take up time and headspace. I'm near the end - been out four times since March - and it's really not good for ANYONE's mental health.

Oh well, still sucking air, sitting in this house, same place, same thing, every day, after day, after day... I suppose I should count my lucky stars that I am healthy and have a roof over my head. Gotta remember to be thankful!

(Very thankful for this webzone and for the camaraderie of fellow Kiwis, I might add. Good to know I am not the only one feeling weird lately).

 

[Just wandering]

Exactly what I mean. There are a lot of problems now and it won't work, but in 15-20 years? Look at what passed for modern tech back in 2000-2005, it was considered novel to have any sort of fancy screen in your car and GPS was just becoming widespread, let alone an internet connection in your car. I'm aware of the limitations on chip sizes, but we haven't even hit the bottom yet in terms of how much we can miniaturize a powerful computer. Not to mention you might not even have to miniaturize it much. A car's self-driving system could merely be a backup being directed from a centralized network of self-driving systems around the country and world, like cell phone towers but they're facilities and towers for supercomputers responsible for directing traffic.

As for recognition technology, just look at facial recognition these days, everyone wearing a mask is no doubt being used to improve the system to make it so you'll never be able to hide again. And the other issue I always hear about with the trolley problem (your car might be forced to kill someone to protect you), would it really matter in practice when auto manufacturers and no doubt these tech companies can utterly destroy any lawyer you send at them and if they can't they'll just drag out litigation for years and bankrupt you? If mature self-driving technology is causing accidents and fatalities to drop significantly year after year (which it would), then insurance and their politician goons is going to latch onto it and make sure EVERYONE has it.

Now I LIKE the idea of self-driving cars since there's a lot of people who shouldn't be driving (and who wouldn't want to take a nap on the way to work?) and theoretically it would reduce car wrecks and deaths and save a ton of lives and property. But it's indisputable that they go right along with the "you will own nothing and be happy" agenda that's been set and like all this awesome technology we have nowadays or will have soon is inevitably going to be used by the powerful to tighten their grip around our throats.

I kindly disagree with you. The more we test those car, their flaw and limit(ex: winter) are apparent. Because the flaw isn't in lack computer power but how the machine really process the world. A flawed machine will still process thing wrong even if it more powerfull.

Machine translation date back as early 60s yet they can't beat an human even after all those year

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

That could (mostly) be achieved by a proper public transit system - no need for selfdriving cars imho.

According to Wikipedia,


tl;dr Public transit is safer overall than traveling by car and gives you the opportunity to nap on your way to work.

They've been trying to build those proper public transit systems for decades in every country around the world and have yet to succeed. Even in bugmen hives like China they have flaws, let alone the garbage public transit in most of the US or the idiots who want to spend billions of dollars, hike the taxes, and create a decades-long eyesore in making some local version of Boston's Big Dig or some other shitty infrastructure project.

And let's be honest, even if you don't actually your own self-driving car because Agenda 2030 or whatever, it still beats sitting on the train with a bunch of people. Even if the car is crowded by people from your pod, at least it's only like 4-6 people and you have your own seat and it's not a train car full of them like those packed Japanese train cars.

I kindly disagree with you. The more we test those car, their flaw and limit(ex: winter) are apparent. Because the flaw isn't in lack computer power but how the machine really process the world. A flawed machine will still process thing wrong even if it more powerfull.

The point is it's possible to make the machine less flawed. And even machine translation, like common shit like Google Translate, has advanced in the past 10-15 years. There's no reason you can't write software for these increasingly powerful machines both in vehicles or the local supercomputers directing them that would correct enough of the flaws to result in a vehicle which noticeably decreases accidents.

I mean it used to be considered insane a machine could utterly destroy expert Jeopardy players, but look where we are now and that was years ago.

 

[Just wandering]

They've been trying to build those proper public transit systems for decades in every country around the world and have yet to succeed. Even in bugmen hives like China they have flaws, let alone the garbage public transit in most of the US or the idiots who want to spend billions of dollars, hike the taxes, and create a decades-long eyesore in making some local version of Boston's Big Dig or some other shitty infrastructure project.

And let's be honest, even if you don't actually your own self-driving car because Agenda 2030 or whatever, it still beats sitting on the train with a bunch of people. Even if the car is crowded by people from your pod, at least it's only like 4-6 people and you have your own seat and it's not a train car full of them like those packed Japanese train cars.

The point is it's possible to make the machine less flawed. And even machine translation, like common shit like Google Translate, has advanced in the past 10-15 years. There's no reason you can't write software for these increasingly powerful machines both in vehicles or the local supercomputers directing them that would correct enough of the flaws to result in a vehicle which noticeably decreases accidents.

I mean it used to be considered insane a machine could utterly destroy expert Jeopardy players, but look where we are now and that was years ago.

The problem with that is the AI must not only perfect but better than human. What machine translation never achieved in 70 year

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Living in interesting times kinda activates something in some people, it is a pity that there is nowhere to channel that energy into.
Nothing will help our predicament, and I am simply too blackpilled to do personal projects because I feel like there is no tomorrow to come.

It's an odd feeling for sure. It's like the planet itself has switched in some bipolar manner. I barely know if I was alive in 2018 but just on the eve of the COVID-19 outbreak in the lead up to this year there was something of a "new year" energy.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

It's an odd feeling for sure. It's like the planet itself has switched in some bipolar manner. I barely know if I was alive in 2018 but just on the eve of the COVID-19 outbreak in the lead up to this year there was something of a "new year" energy.

The end of last year felt good living through it and it somehow feels even better now. Although maybe there really was something ominous, like a beautiful sky before a storm.

 

[Hamsteroid]

They are lot of hype of pilotless self driving car in the silicon valley hype. But I doubt the technology will go over of pipe dream, why?
Small modification on stop sign can confuse the AI in dangerous way
Recognition program actually only make comparaison statistic, they don't understand what they see that why they use the sheep label more in expectation than reality
Computer can only get better at computing we can't really make understand abstract stuff. It can only associate X with Y via mathematical calculus. And even with all this silicon ship have a limit in their size. I expect an AI winter soon. When the mask will fall of and all this little circus will end with broken expectation

You're assuming AI has to adapt to the streets, but as selfdriving cars get more commonplace, the streets are going to adapt to the AI. For an example: Why need to recognize a stop sign if you just can use a combination of GPS location and RFID like signal directly installed in the street?

They've been trying to build those proper public transit systems for decades in every country around the world and have yet to succeed. Even in bugmen hives like China they have flaws, let alone the garbage public transit in most of the US or the idiots who want to spend billions of dollars, hike the taxes, and create a decades-long eyesore in making some local version of Boston's Big Dig or some other shitty infrastructure project.

A proper public transit system is just like communism: It definitively works, but it just hasn't truly been tried yet
Since everything is always going the worst way possible, we mere mortals are probably going to get selfdriving busses because it's "better for the environment".

 

[teriyakiburns]

I mean it used to be considered insane a machine could utterly destroy expert Jeopardy players, but look where we are now and that was years ago.

Brute-forcing answers in a tightly bounded system isn't remotely the same as driving a car.

The problem is, you see "artificial intelligence" and you think it must be clever. It's not. AI - really machine learning neural networks, because there's no intelligence involved - is retarded. It cannot understand context. It learns against a dataset of things (images, sentences, whatever you're aiming to classify), which it picks apart in poorly understood ways, and then is fed live data to compare against what it has "learned" from the training data. Often as not, what it's learned is not remotely what it was supposed to learn, which is why, with visual machine learning in particular, you can trick them with very simple alterations to the environment. The best example of this problem is an AI that was trained to distinguish between wolves and dogs, which worked on the training data, but failed spectacularly on live data, classifying images apparently at random. Nearly all the images of wolves it was trained on contained snow, while all the images of dogs contained grass, and it was classifying them based on that major feature.

You can trick ML code into thinking a toaster is a cat by putting a small textured patch in the image. The fact that machine learning classifies its inputs in opaque and unpredictable, context-free ways is a huge problem that is going to blow up in AI research before long, and there's no obvious way to resolve it. Throwing more computer time at it will just make it be retarded faster.

 

[Meriasek]

Speaking of coding and trustworthy people programming:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/prisoners-training-for-tech-jobs?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_scheduler&utm_term=United+States&utm_content=17/12/2020+18:45

 

[teriyakiburns]

Speaking of coding and trustworthy people programming:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/prisoners-training-for-tech-jobs?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_scheduler&utm_term=United+States&utm_content=17/12/2020+18:45

They're better than journalists.

 

[Jarolleon]

It's easy to ban cars, just invent self-driving cars and mandate them as the only legal vehicles on the road, which may well be done for safety and especially insurance purposes anyway (since you're unsafe at any speed, but the AI isn't). And once every single car on the road is self-driving, what's the point in owning a car? Isn't it just a glorified taxi at that point? Since they want you to be poor, they can place all sorts of taxes and maintenance requirements on vehicles that UberLyft can afford and you can't. So you'll sell your car to someone who will sell it to UberLyft and anytime you want to go somewhere you'll call your self-driving taxi, it will pull up, and take you wherever. Although I don't think it would matter much by that point anyway. Most new vehicles now are already tracked and can be remote-killed if need be. A self-driving car isn't really much worse in that regard other than the computers tracking you are much stronger. If they don't want you to go somewhere, you won't.

This is another example of why I think COVID-19 is a test run and they're going to wait until the 2030s. Self-driving cars would be an important layer of control and have a built-in "but muh safety" thing going for them (i.e. the same shit that made us all wear a seatbelt, drive 55 MPH for decades, and raise the drinking age to 21). The tech for self-driving cars is in its infancy right now, but in 15-20 years?

Isn't the stagnation of speed limits simply because we're running up against the human reaction time, and seatbelts a response to rising average vehicle speed and number of drivers on the road?

Also, I found this video in which a WW2-focused history tuber with rather normie views blatantly compares Klaus Schwaub to Hitler, so it least it's not just /pol/ tards and Q boomers who are worried about this shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJ8lgHk1ik&t=530s

 

[Kheapathic]

Speaking of coding and trustworthy people programming:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/prisoners-training-for-tech-jobs?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_scheduler&utm_term=United+States&utm_content=17/12/2020+18:45

You can either have Deepak from India or Jaquan from San Quentin.

I accept neither.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

I'm going to be pissed if self-driving cars become a thing soon because i just bought my first car.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Isn't the stagnation of speed limits simply because we're running up against the human reaction time, and seatbelts a response to rising average vehicle speed and number of drivers on the road?

No, both are public health measures "for your safety" and in the case of speed limits also so the cops can make the local government some more money more easily. Speed limits are nominally set in place to ensure only a given fraction of vehicles of the vehicles on that stretch of road wreck every year but to some degree I think they should be higher in most places. You're right that more than 80 mph is kind of pushing it for most people.

Seatbelt are purely a "for your safety" feature. People compare masks for Chinkflu to being forced to wear a seatbelt but I'm consistent on both measures--neither should be mandatory and people should do what they think is best for their safety. Seatbelt laws started as politicians wanted to look like they were protecting people (sound familiar?) after Ralph Nader and others convinced everyone cars were unsafe (and he was right, those old cars were deathtraps and it's very good seatbelts are mandatory to include in vehicles). Seatbelts save a lot of lives and honestly anyone stupid enough not to wear one gets what they deserve. But that should be your choice, not the government's.

The one exception should IMO be people under 18 who might not realize/be too stupid to realize the value of seatbelts to make an informed choice. This is (was?) basically the New Hampshire seatbelt law where over-18s don't have to wear a seatbelt.

You can either have Deepak from India or Jaquan from San Quentin.

I accept neither.

At least Jaquan's an American. Now that nigga Pedro he shanked the other night...

 

[FatalTater]

Okay so I had a thought (and maybe some booze) and I wanna share.

There are places where the population is kept stupid by culture. (Looking at you Kentucky) Now, by keeping people from advancing and having (or realizing they could have) life choices it insures that there is a supply of uneducated bodies that will go and do anything if a carrot is dangled. Look at how many worked in coal mines at huge risk for tiny paychecks.

Covid lockdowns, BLM terrorist dangers, things that keep people from earning money and educating themselves. They feel helpless which makes them desperate. What will people be willing to do once they've been living in their cars for a month?

Now, who would like a large number of disposable workers, with nothing to lose and unclear thinking, at their disposal? Someone building an army? Sure. Someone who needs people for dangerous work? Maybe, but couldn't those guys just get illegal immigrants to do the work then deport or 'disappear' them? Kinda hard if there's a wall... Maybe we need test subjects for space exploration?

I don't know. Ignore me.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Something just occurred to me, if the Great Reset is marking the beginning of a new age for humanity, and the Great Reset starts for real next year, then does that mean we are officially entering into Reset Era?

Now, who would like a large number of disposable workers, with nothing to lose and unclear thinking, at their disposal? Someone building an army? Sure. Someone who needs people for dangerous work? Maybe, but couldn't those guys just get illegal immigrants to do the work then deport or 'disappear' them? Kinda hard if there's a wall... Maybe we need test subjects for space exploration?

The goal is to reduce everyone to serfdom on the level that illegal immigrants in the US currently operate under or at very best something miserable like the shittiest parts of Kentucky or the ghetto (which are basically the same, unemployed people living on drugs and welfare with a culture that praises being the baddest nigga/redneck around). By "everyone" I mean THE ENTIRE PLANET where we'll basically be moved around like cattle for wherever they need labor. This is part of why they want mass immigration, because they're already preparing us for that (and subjecting people in shithole countries to the experience we will be soon, since god forbid they actually try and solve the problems in those countries instead of just using them as a place to breed people for export the same way Southern slaveowners in South Carolina bred slaves for export to Mississippi).

My guess is they'll give us UBI, but it won't be enough and we'll have "conservatives" saying that we need less UBI and more jobs, so they'll keep the gig economy going and have us do things like make us work at recycling plants or something for extra social credit score and bug rations. Either way, you'll be making wages like what illegal immigrants right now make. Like illegal immigrants, you will collect welfare (now called UBI) and you will live in a pod (ever seen where the illegals and their families live at?). The more you work, the more you'll able to do "fun" things like consoom the latest remake of the remake of Mahvel or whatever. But if you don't work, that's okay too, you just get to consoom less and have a lower social credit score and don't get the tastiest bugsteaks.

Remember, you will live in the pod, you will eat the bugs, you will own nothing, and you will be happy.

 

[A Logging Company]

If there is a concerted effort to fuck with the economy to bring out this "Great Reset" (which I personally think is just a way for Davos Men to market their ideas, I read a few pages of Klaus' book on "The Great Reset" and it all just comes off like intellectual masturbation) they are going to be in for a rude awakening.

Some factions of big financial investors are not pleased by the constant burrring of the money printer, and are starting to move capital into Bitcoin - both for their own interest and spite. Normally these types would go into gold, but it turns out wallstreet banks have been rigging the market to keep gold prices down. They have much less of a control over the Bitcoin market than established precious metal markets - with the possibility of doing underhanded shit harder to pull off, since transactions are much more transparent on the block chain.

A tanking of Western Economies is going to cause a flood of money an interest in bitcoin. An open institutional adoption of Bitcoin and possibly other cryptos is going to further the cause of blockchain technologies and things like smart contracts to rise. That will be the true great reset, a move away from government fiat currencies (namely the USD) to crypos, which will lead to things like smart contracts taking off and the possibility of cutting out Wallstreet, or at the very least putting the rest of the country and word on a more equal footing.

Or maybe I've just been watching Max Kaiser again.